Australia Australia - Theo Hayez, 18, Belgian backpacker, Byron Bay, June 2019

[Ann764]

Do we know about what time Theos friend from the hostel sent him a message that next day 1/6? The one that he mentioned was never answered.

I am just wondering if his message was what made Theos phone ping that final time?

I don’t think it was in his hands. I think also the same with cap. Some one could have just provided drugs and drinks to people sleeping roughy and no more talk about they would no have known until reported missing. Phone different

 

[Ann764]

Do we know about what time Theos friend from the hostel sent him a message that next day 1/6? The one that he mentioned was never answered.

I am just wondering if his message was what made Theos phone ping that final time?

It also could have been received that morning but the fact remains his phone never re towered till morning. So was always in CBD tower. There are better words for this but I hope it makes sense as simple as possible

 

[Ann764]

I also could have been received but the fact remains his phone never received towered till morning. So was always in CBD tower. There are better words for this but I hope it makes sense as simple as possible

 

[Ann764]

Do we know about what time Theos friend from the hostel sent him a message that next day 1/6? The one that he mentioned was never answered.

I am just wondering if his message was what made Theos phone ping that final time?

For the phone to move to another tower. Means that was the closest tower the phone linked for service. If he was kidnapped for example and taken to Sydney the phone would readjust to multiple phone towers . That’s why the significance of moving is relevant but only moved the following day

 

[Ann764]

the hat . Yes DNA. But set up . Found thrown away and pick up and phone perhaps same sim card battery removed. It was not apple. So hard to trace . Set up on other people to find use who knows . These people knew what they they were doing. ( if that’s what happened)

 

[Ann764]

Point is someone knows. Perhaps rewarded and protection we need to look at that takes people get threatened, also if covered rape etc for their own needs at the time the have a lot to also be scared of. They could be court up in so many lies with this person/ people. Basically owned. For drugs for silence etc and now they are so deep. They will loose the little life they have

 

[feralflower]

I agree just to vanish make being picked up in car with the thought he was going to be taken to hostel perhaps going though footage of those at CM that night and seeing if there were any known predators, on bale, parole, sex crime etc also looking at all number plates caught on CCTV in area that night and running checks for any career criminals in the area. It seems near impossible for no sightings if he walked all that way as suggested on map. His phone could have been in. Another’s pocket those movements could be when the phone was being disposed of by someone else. As he was as we know able to send a message which did not imply immediate dander at 12.20. The times that those movements double backing down st and near oval would be helpful in knowing if it was actually Theo ? .
Did he stop at the end of that st or did someone and the. The phone is removed the next day . Just a thought .

It could very well be possible however it was mentioned by someone Theo's phone had fingerprint activation (unconfirmed though I did check out his phone model Oppo17 later after hearing this and yes the phone does have this function). So if this is correct only Theo could use phone, He also messaged Belgium and I imagine would have been in his language rather than English (just guessing) though it is presented as a fact by police that he did use the phone later and messaged Belgium. Also the hat being found close to or along the mobile route, if it is Theo's as appears then it would be unlikely someone else walking the route to with his phone and have his hat also, though not impossible, just unlikely. I have also read that these phones are notorious for shutting down, especially if battery is low. Maybe the phone simply shut off at that point where his mobile track ends . The ping next day I cannot explain as not too familiar with technology though I believe if a phone is completely off, it won't ping so may have been in sleep mode or perhaps picked up and switched on briefly next day or was in some sort of mode where it didn't have enough battery left to use but could still ping. These phones are good for accurate locations which is a plus, they are not very water resistant, batteries are said to last as long as 2 days, have a photo-receptive fingerprint ID function which probably helps police confirm it was Theo on his phone, this phone can also shut itself down if used in a very cold or very hot environment. I know it was a very cold night that night, whether cold enough to shut off his phone I don't know but after his phone shut off something happened clearly. Whether it coincided with his phone losing signal or the phone died then something happened later can only guess.

 

[feralflower]

Only time will tell. One way or another. Either someone will be found, or someone else will go missing. TH, well I think that his story will be told at the expences of more lives. But people call me a pessimist. Those 2 young guys that went missing 300 k's away from BB, their bones just found. 300 k's in Australia is nothing. Zip. A quick drive. What 3 hours? How long apart was it? They went missing in Feb. It's now July. If the serial killer theory is correct, there will be another backpacker missing within 6 months, unless they draw attention to themselves. 2 towns known for tourist traffic. Well, the whole east coast is known for tourists. From the top to the bottom. When was the last time that 2 incidents took place, so close to each other, so close in time with such mysterious circumstances? A lot of people go missing in Australia. There are people out there to be afraid of. Backpackers are being attacked all the time. Those two women who went through that horrific attack on a beach at the beginning of the year. I've hitchhiked from Darwin to Townsville, and those isolated towns and highways attract some very strange people. It's not safe out there.

There is another young man missing I believe a few days before Theo's disappearance. Last confirmed sighting was at Kingston, though there is also an unconfirmed sighting in Lennox Heads an area he was known to frequent. He has not yet been found. His name is Joseph Michael Gale. Not sure if I am allowed to post FB links here but he is listed as a missing person with Tasmania Police though he was here when he disappeared and not far at all from Byron. The possibility of a nutcase on the loose cannot be discounted. And without wishing to be dramatic someone had to say it. The possibility is there and yes Byron Bay area with all the travelers, new faces coming and going, lots of bush and beach do make an ideal ground. I do hope this is not the case.

 

[Matlock]

It could very well be possible however it was mentioned by someone Theo's phone had fingerprint activation (unconfirmed though I did check out his phone model Oppo17 later after hearing this and yes the phone does have this function). So if this is correct only Theo could use phone, He also messaged Belgium and I imagine would have been in his language rather than English (just guessing) though it is presented as a fact by police that he did use the phone later and messaged Belgium. Also the hat being found close to or along the mobile route, if it is Theo's as appears then it would be unlikely someone else walking the route to with his phone and have his hat also, though not impossible, just unlikely. I have also read that these phones are notorious for shutting down, especially if battery is low. Maybe the phone simply shut off at that point where his mobile track ends . The ping next day I cannot explain as not too familiar with technology though I believe if a phone is completely off, it won't ping so may have been in sleep mode or perhaps picked up and switched on briefly next day or was in some sort of mode where it didn't have enough battery left to use but could still ping. These phones are good for accurate locations which is a plus, they are not very water resistant, batteries are said to last as long as 2 days, have a photo-receptive fingerprint ID function which probably helps police confirm it was Theo on his phone, this phone can also shut itself down if used in a very cold or very hot environment. I know it was a very cold night that night, whether cold enough to shut off his phone I don't know but after his phone shut off something happened clearly. Whether it coincided with his phone losing signal or the phone died then something happened later can only guess.

I have an Oppo but I don't use the fingerprint ID, I use the dot pattern thing. So he could have used the dot thing and told someone the pattern?His cousins and friends maybe know which one he used and have told police this info.

 

[sparks030405]

I think it’s normal to hold hope the police have obviously alluded that they were not really close as a parent would not return home if they were closing in or that they had significant evidence that was “matter of time” I still go with they are waiting for a slip up they would have found hat if they knew exact movements and they would still be searching.

There is another young man missing I believe a few days before Theo's disappearance. Last confirmed sighting was at Kingston, though there is also an unconfirmed sighting in Lennox Heads an area he was known to frequent. He has not yet been found. His name is Joseph Michael Gale. Not sure if I am allowed to post FB links here but he is listed as a missing person with Tasmania Police though he was here when he disappeared and not far at all from Byron. The possibility of a nutcase on the loose cannot be discounted. And without wishing to be dramatic someone had to say it. The possibility is there and yes Byron Bay area with all the travelers, new faces coming and going, lots of bush and beach do make an ideal ground. I do hope this is not the case.

This is getting creepy. Granny killer, then Ivan Milat, Peter Falconio case and now what? Possibly 4 backpackers (all male) between Port Macquarie, Lennox Head, Byron Bay this year. This is sounding like most probable scenario now.

Apart from a serial killer, or conversion therapy in a hippy camp, I’ve thought about whether or not organ harvesting of young healthy victims.

Also, instead of cars being used, since it’s along the coast, a boat could be used to take Theo?

Possible perpetrator lives on an old yacht. It seems to be another cheap alternative lifestyle choice for some.

Is suicide an option? I don’t think so. Theo seemed to have a great life, girlfriend waiting, and very supportive, happy and close family.

 

[simochomps]

Does anyone know how long DNA testing takes? I'm thinking about his cap - it's been found about two weeks ago now, isn't that enough time?

 

[Ann764]

They would be cross referencing against all potentials DNA other than Theo’s in system.
I still don’t think he was waring it. I think someone else picked it up and the piffed it when they found out it was associated with missing Theo . I would be interested to know the time his phone took that path. That evening or someone else’s had his phone in the morning.

 

[Ann764]

I think the phone was DNA and location initially. I really can’t see why they just can’t get a new sim and drag down all his messages etc now. I still think he got in car and was taken to a house and then disposed of the following day or that night but someone else got rid of phone and cap was found by random and then worn and thrown away.

 

[feralflower]

Does anyone know how long DNA testing takes? I'm thinking about his cap - it's been found about two weeks ago now, isn't that enough time?

I think from as quick as 4 hours to 14 days. I don't think they wanted the public knowing about locating the cap and so are holding off on releasing the results. If it was not his they would have already said so so can assume it was his. Perhaps they may have difficulty as there was rain before the hat was found so if anyone touched his hat briefly I hope any suspects DNA wasn't compromised. Though ascertaining if it was his or not should be easy as was a close fitting item, and likely to contain hair as well etc. so they would know by now. As to other's DNA being on it it may be more complex and maybe testing is incomplete. They are quiet about this hat for a reason. I hope they have their suspects and are able to gather enough evidence.
If anyone has taken his life, without a body investigators will have difficulty of proving the crime. so they will need plenty of circumstantial evidence. This hat could very well be a part of this if traces of other's DNA were found though am not sure how confirming if it was his hat or not would affect the investigation. They will release the answer when they are ready I guess, and just not ready at this time.

 

[mussopossum]

It could very well be possible however it was mentioned by someone Theo's phone had fingerprint activation (unconfirmed though I did check out his phone model Oppo17 later after hearing this and yes the phone does have this function). So if this is correct only Theo could use phone, He also messaged Belgium and I imagine would have been in his language rather than English (just guessing) though it is presented as a fact by police that he did use the phone later and messaged Belgium. Also the hat being found close to or along the mobile route, if it is Theo's as appears then it would be unlikely someone else walking the route to with his phone and have his hat also, though not impossible, just unlikely. I have also read that these phones are notorious for shutting down, especially if battery is low. Maybe the phone simply shut off at that point where his mobile track ends . The ping next day I cannot explain as not too familiar with technology though I believe if a phone is completely off, it won't ping so may have been in sleep mode or perhaps picked up and switched on briefly next day or was in some sort of mode where it didn't have enough battery left to use but could still ping. These phones are good for accurate locations which is a plus, they are not very water resistant, batteries are said to last as long as 2 days, have a photo-receptive fingerprint ID function which probably helps police confirm it was Theo on his phone, this phone can also shut itself down if used in a very cold or very hot environment. I know it was a very cold night that night, whether cold enough to shut off his phone I don't know but after his phone shut off something happened clearly. Whether it coincided with his phone losing signal or the phone died then something happened later can only guess.

Im wondering if his final ping on the phone was due to his hostel friend sending him a message. I refer to the message that was never answered by Theo the next day, June 1st.

I dont think we have been given a time of the final ping have we on June 1st or the time that his friend sent him the message which was unanswered?

 

[mussopossum]

There is another young man missing I believe a few days before Theo's disappearance. Last confirmed sighting was at Kingston, though there is also an unconfirmed sighting in Lennox Heads an area he was known to frequent. He has not yet been found. His name is Joseph Michael Gale. Not sure if I am allowed to post FB links here but he is listed as a missing person with Tasmania Police though he was here when he disappeared and not far at all from Byron. The possibility of a nutcase on the loose cannot be discounted. And without wishing to be dramatic someone had to say it. The possibility is there and yes Byron Bay area with all the travelers, new faces coming and going, lots of bush and beach do make an ideal ground. I do hope this is not the case.

Where did you read that he was known to frequent Lennox Head?

I have not seen this one any of the FB posts for him.

Be interested to read more about this if you have further details

 

[mussopossum]

This is getting creepy. Granny killer, then Ivan Milat, Peter Falconio case and now what? Possibly 4 backpackers (all male) between Port Macquarie, Lennox Head, Byron Bay this year. This is sounding like most probable scenario now.

Apart from a serial killer, or conversion therapy in a hippy camp, I’ve thought about whether or not organ harvesting of young healthy victims.

Also, instead of cars being used, since it’s along the coast, a boat could be used to take Theo?

Possible perpetrator lives on an old yacht. It seems to be another cheap alternative lifestyle choice for some.

Is suicide an option? I don’t think so. Theo seemed to have a great life, girlfriend waiting, and very supportive, happy and close family.

This guy is not a back packer IMO appears to be a Tasmanian as seems to have family and friends posting on FB and was working somewhere in Tazzie (Joseph Michael Gale)

 

[mussopossum]

Does anyone know how long DNA testing takes? I'm thinking about his cap - it's been found about two weeks ago now, isn't that enough time?

Depends if they have found someones DNA on it and need to do further testing.

Also depends if any other materials found on it such as plant, soil, flowers, paint.... anything foreign that could match to an area or location he may have been that night. Clearly I have been watching way too much CSI but if anything has been found on it they would need the time to isolate that area / that fibre, DNA etc.

They could already know yet not releasing for tactical reasons.

 

[feralflower]

Where did you read that he was known to frequent Lennox Head?

I have not seen this one any of the FB posts for him.

Be interested to read more about this if you have further details

I cannot remember where I saw this but will see if I can find it. Just looked and can't see it. There is a comment by someone he may have been seen at Lennox Head but I saw another reference to Lennox somewhere. Will try find out.

 

[feralflower]

Where did you read that he was known to frequent Lennox Head?

I have not seen this one any of the FB posts for him.

Be interested to read more about this if you have further details

I found the reference to this. A 14th of June post on Australian Missing Person's Register that Joseph is believed to have traveled to Lennox Head area. Am I allowed to share snips on here from Missing Person's Register FB page? But you can find it easy enough. It was posted on June 14th. Did not find the comment I was looking for but this info should be significant if shared by Missing Person's Register. May not be related to Theo's case could be coincidental and he wasn't a backpacker but was travelling, likes the beach, fishing etc and believed to have been going to Lennox Head according to the Missing Persons FB page.