Australia - Tiahleigh Palmer, 12, slain, Pimpama River, Qld, 30 Oct 2015 #2 *Arrests*

[SouthAussie]

I believe Trent never gave a statement either ..........

Well, not any truthful statements. Until he pled guilty to four charges of incest.


After Tiahleigh’s body was discovered on the banks of the Pimpama River in November 2015, Thorburn denied having sex with her to police on multiple occasions.
He also made false statements and testimony at two Crime and Corruption Commission hearings into his knowledge of Tiahleigh’s death.

East said his client had lied out of “misguided loyalty” to his family and would have to live with the knowledge his misconduct led to “an innocent life being lost”.
Tiahleigh Palmer: foster brother sentenced to four years, including for incest

 

[sosocurious]

Julene Thorburn was not an innocent bystander caught up in a nightmare of her husband’s making.
She was a victim of her own screwed up, selfish moral compass............

Julene never used domestic violence or coercive control as a defence to her actions when she pleaded guilty to perjury and attempting to pervert the course of justice.......

And even if Julene was a DV survivor, it does not give her a free pass to cover-up murder and mislead Tia’s heartbroken loved ones during the worst year of their lives.

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[Bohemian]

Child Safety slammed for putting Tiahleigh Palmer in care with Rick Thorburn | Daily Mail Online

My thoughts exactly, Ms Bates.

Although:

‘Bravehearts founder Hetty Johnston acknowledged the foster system needed a shake-up, but said ruling out anyone with a criminal history was not the answer.

Ms Johnston said it was already difficult enough to find foster carers.

'It's easy to criticise but there aren't enough foster carers… we need to start looking at a character assessment,' she said.’​

Sometimes I’m not quite sure how to take some of Hetty Johnston’s comments. I’ll just bet the Thorburn’s had *sarcasm font enabled* positive ‘character assessments’ as far as FaCS (or an NGO) were concerned.

 

[SouthAussie]

Julene Thorburn was not an innocent bystander caught up in a nightmare of her husband’s making.
She was a victim of her own screwed up, selfish moral compass............

Julene never used domestic violence or coercive control as a defence to her actions when she pleaded guilty to perjury and attempting to pervert the course of justice.......

And even if Julene was a DV survivor, it does not give her a free pass to cover-up murder and mislead Tia’s heartbroken loved ones during the worst year of their lives.

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She didn't only cover up murder, she actually allowed murder to happen imo.

She should never ever have left Tiah alone with him that night. And if she was somehow forced to leave, the first thing she should have done is stand outside and call the police. Get them there as quickly as possible. She knew something was going to happen to Tiah, and that it wouldn't be good.

 

[sosocurious]

Child Safety slammed for putting Tiahleigh Palmer in care with Rick Thorburn | Daily Mail Online

My thoughts exactly, Ms Bates.

Although:

‘Bravehearts founder Hetty Johnston acknowledged the foster system needed a shake-up, but said ruling out anyone with a criminal history was not the answer.

Ms Johnston said it was already difficult enough to find foster carers.

'It's easy to criticise but there aren't enough foster carers… we need to start looking at a character assessment,' she said.’​

Sometimes I’m not quite sure how to take some of Hetty Johnston’s comments. I’ll just bet the Thorburn’s had *sarcasm font enabled* positive ‘character assessments’ as far as FaCS (or an NGO) were concerned.

I agree Bo
Character assessment there are many in high places that have passed their character assessment ...
Maybe we need to check the ability of those doing the character assessment to assess.
Rick was very supportive of the foster care agency in his letter. They didn't get it wrong ..he did. I think he said.
imo

 

[sosocurious]

Child Safety slammed for putting Tiahleigh Palmer in care with Rick Thorburn | Daily Mail Online

My thoughts exactly, Ms Bates.

Although:

‘Bravehearts founder Hetty Johnston acknowledged the foster system needed a shake-up, but said ruling out anyone with a criminal history was not the answer.

Ms Johnston said it was already difficult enough to find foster carers.

'It's easy to criticise but there aren't enough foster carers… we need to start looking at a character assessment,' she said.’​

Sometimes I’m not quite sure how to take some of Hetty Johnston’s comments. I’ll just bet the Thorburn’s had *sarcasm font enabled* positive ‘character assessments’ as far as FaCS (or an NGO) were concerned.

It's easy to criticise but there aren't enough foster carers… we need to start looking at a character assessment,' she said.’​

Sometimes I’m not quite sure how to take some of Hetty Johnston’s comments.

A CHILD protection advocate wants the government to look at reintroducing institutional care for children following the death of Logan schoolgirl Tiahleigh Palmer.
Bravehearts founder Hetty Johnston said it was “about time” the issue of placing foster children in government-run “childrens homes” was revisited.
“I believe the government should look at this, I’ve been saying this for a long time,” she said.
“Those institutions (for children in the past) were horrible and they never worked, but it wasn’t the institutions’ fault, it was the people who ran them.
“Demonising what was (in the past) is fine because it was horrible. There’s no saying it any other way. But the concept of children’s homes is a valid one and a necessary one.
“I think we do need to revisit that despite problems in the past with institutional care.”

Category: | The Courier Mail
Bravehearts founder calls for the reintroduction of institutional care in the wake of Tiahleigh Palmer death

 

[SouthAussie]

And what about the (alleged) rape and attempted rape of the two little girls, by him, in her childcare centre? Julene knew he had murdered Tiah, and still two more young girls in her care are subjected to his violence?

 

[sosocurious]

And what about the (alleged) rape and attempted rape of the two little girls, by him, in her childcare centre? Julene knew he had murdered Tiah, and still two more young girls in her care are subjected to his violence?

Approved foster carers in August 2014. Twelve months later blue card obtained to operated day care center.

Prosecutors accused the former truck driver of digitally penetrating the first girl, touching her inappropriately, coercing her into performing masturbation on him several times and showing her pornographic videos.
On one occasion the abuse occurred while he was dropping her off at school in a black van which had a large "Miss Julene's Family day care" sticker on the back, police claimed.
Rick Thorburn charged with child rape over incidents at childcare centre
Nocookies
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Geez we are not talking about a lot of time.
Was the center even opened when Tia lived there or just?

 

[Bohemian]

It's easy to criticise but there aren't enough foster carers… we need to start looking at a character assessment,' she said.’​

Sometimes I’m not quite sure how to take some of Hetty Johnston’s comments.

A CHILD protection advocate wants the government to look at reintroducing institutional care for children following the death of Logan schoolgirl Tiahleigh Palmer.
Bravehearts founder Hetty Johnston said it was “about time” the issue of placing foster children in government-run “childrens homes” was revisited.
“I believe the government should look at this, I’ve been saying this for a long time,” she said.
“Those institutions (for children in the past) were horrible and they never worked, but it wasn’t the institutions’ fault, it was the people who ran them.
“Demonising what was (in the past) is fine because it was horrible. There’s no saying it any other way. But the concept of children’s homes is a valid one and a necessary one.
“I think we do need to revisit that despite problems in the past with institutional care.”

Category: | The Courier Mail
Bravehearts founder calls for the reintroduction of institutional care in the wake of Tiahleigh Palmer death

And look how well institutional care worked out.

Geez, those poor kids are between the devil and the deep blue sea.

 

[drsleuth]

More extended minutes from 60 minutes

Josh & Julie's extended interviews........

Tiahleigh Palmer murder: Police interviews reveal Thorburn pact to keep secret

 

[drsleuth]

Geez this family are so cold & heartless, no emotion..............victim blaming a 12 yr old girl

 

[they'll get you]

First mistake!

Queensland Opposition Leader Ros Bates slammed the foster care system saying Tiahleigh shouldn't have been placed with two teenage boys

Second mistake!

Following the murder of Tiahleigh, the Queensland Government said it would review the Blue Card system, and look into the requirements a person needed to become a foster carer.

‘If you’ve got a criminal history as long as your arm you shouldn’t be able to foster’: Rick Thorburn’s twenty year rap sheet is revealed as Child Safety is slammed for putting Tiahleigh Palmer in the murderer’s care

 

[JLZ]

About Hetty Johnston's comment. I think it's worth reconsidering the larger structures. I read the report from an inquiry into child protection services and the recommendations seemed to be focussed on changing some administrative arrangements such as subdividing subdepartments and creating new upper management positions. I have been thinking that for the cost of fostering, a lot more resources could instead be put into supporting some parents to keep their children in their own homes. Ms Palmer apparently got into her situation through poverty and desperation following domestic violence. She said she went looking for help and it wasn't there--at any rate not at the level she needed it--but giving up the children to fostering was an available option. That is a gap that needs to be looked at. When I was working for a government department there was talk about the cost of nursing homes as opposed to the cost of providing services to help old people continue living in their own home. It was recognized that in many cases, for those who wanted to stay home, it was cheaper to provide the specific services they needed rather than take over their whole lives.

 

[SouthAussie]

About Hetty Johnston's comment. I think it's worth reconsidering the larger structures. I read the report from an inquiry into child protection services and the recommendations seemed to be focussed on changing some administrative arrangements such as subdividing subdepartments and creating new upper management positions. I have been thinking that for the cost of fostering, a lot more resources could instead be put into supporting some parents to keep their children in their own homes. Ms Palmer apparently got into her situation through poverty and desperation following domestic violence. She said she went looking for help and it wasn't there--at any rate not at the level she needed it--but giving up the children to fostering was an available option. That is a gap that needs to be looked at. When I was working for a government department there was talk about the cost of nursing homes as opposed to the cost of providing services to help old people continue living in their own home. It was recognized that in many cases, for those who wanted to stay home, it was cheaper to provide the specific services they needed rather than take over their whole lives.

It seems that some/many people need a safe haven to live in with their children, as we hear time and again that DV is why the children have been removed.
It would be so much better for the children to live with a loving, caring parent than to be put into our spin-the-wheel system of foster carers.
How do we go about providing that safe haven for the mums or dads, and their children? Do we hire security guards for their homes, to keep the DV away? Do we establish little protected, perhaps-gated 'villages' where they can live together peacefully and in harmony? Sort of like retirement villages, but for the parent and child/ren.

I certainly agree that retaining the good part of the family situation would be so much better than searching for scarce foster parents to take on and properly care for someone else's child/ren. We need a good, working solution. And we need it yesterday.

 

[JLZ]

It seems that some/many people need a safe haven to live in with their children, as we hear time and again that DV is why the children have been removed.
It would be so much better for the children to live with a loving, caring parent than to be put into our spin-the-wheel system of foster carers.
How do we go about providing that safe haven for the mums or dads, and their children? Do we hire security guards for their homes, to keep the DV away? Do we establish little protected, perhaps-gated 'villages' where they can live together peacefully and in harmony? Sort of like retirement villages, but for the parent and child/ren.

I certainly agree that retaining the good part of the family situation would be so much better than searching for scarce foster parents to take on and properly care for someone else's child/ren. We need a good, working solution. And we need it yesterday.

Well no, at that stage I'd be thinking to deliver the violent partner to the security guards rather than a security guard to the family. Certainly put more money into safe transition houses for women and children, recognizing that they may need to stay months rather than nights. But I was thinking more of where a woman has left a problem partner but returns to him because of financial and child care pressures; or, the woman has successfully escaped a bad situation but isn't coping with trying to do everything as a single parent. External stress is a major contributor to mental health problems, mental illness tends to lead to drug use/abuse, and things spiral down from there. More support earlier--financial, social and logistical--will save the cost of treating huge problems later on.

 

[SouthAussie]

Well no, at that stage I'd be thinking to deliver the violent partner to the security guards rather than a security guard to the family. Certainly put more money into safe transition houses for women and children, recognizing that they may need to stay months rather than nights. But I was thinking more of where a woman has left a problem partner but returns to him because of financial and child care pressures; or, the woman has successfully escaped a bad situation but isn't coping with trying to do everything as a single parent. External stress is a major contributor to mental health problems, mental illness tends to lead to drug use/abuse, and things spiral down from there. More support earlier--financial, social and logistical--will save the cost of treating huge problems later on.

I like the idea of safe transition houses. For longterm situations.
As a society, we have so much trouble keeping the instigator of DV away. We dont lock them up very often or for very long. We cant monitor them 24/7. The police cannot be everywhere, warning these DV partners to stay away. The courts dont resolve the problems. It seems like an ongoing issue that we have to tackle in everyday society.
I think if we can start at base level, create the distinct separation between the DV parents and sort of enforce it - somehow - the parent(s) would have a better chance of not slipping into self-medication or other less ideal solutions.
The children get removed because, at the moment, we are not successful at keeping the DV partners apart. Or so it seems to me.

 

[Bohemian]

About Hetty Johnston's comment. I think it's worth reconsidering the larger structures. I read the report from an inquiry into child protection services and the recommendations seemed to be focussed on changing some administrative arrangements such as subdividing subdepartments and creating new upper management positions. I have been thinking that for the cost of fostering, a lot more resources could instead be put into supporting some parents to keep their children in their own homes. Ms Palmer apparently got into her situation through poverty and desperation following domestic violence. She said she went looking for help and it wasn't there--at any rate not at the level she needed it--but giving up the children to fostering was an available option. That is a gap that needs to be looked at. When I was working for a government department there was talk about the cost of nursing homes as opposed to the cost of providing services to help old people continue living in their own home. It was recognized that in many cases, for those who wanted to stay home, it was cheaper to provide the specific services they needed rather than take over their whole lives.

It seems that some/many people need a safe haven to live in with their children, as we hear time and again that DV is why the children have been removed.
It would be so much better for the children to live with a loving, caring parent than to be put into our spin-the-wheel system of foster carers.
How do we go about providing that safe haven for the mums or dads, and their children? Do we hire security guards for their homes, to keep the DV away? Do we establish little protected, perhaps-gated 'villages' where they can live together peacefully and in harmony? Sort of like retirement villages, but for the parent and child/ren.

I certainly agree that retaining the good part of the family situation would be so much better than searching for scarce foster parents to take on and properly care for someone else's child/ren. We need a good, working solution. And we need it yesterday.

I agree with your sentiments, JLZ and SA. Prevention is definitely better than cure.

Education and support is key IMO.

First, education in schools and/or the community about the reality of bringing children into unstable family situations and, second, adequate support for a parent or parents when difficulties arise.

Unfortunately, there will always be those children who, for whatever reason, need to be placed with foster families or, alternatively, in institutional care but those placements need to be of an excellent standard, staffed by well remunerated, supported, professional and highly experienced carers.

In a perfect world, every child would be loved, well cared for and protected. Tragically, this was not the case for little Tia, as it isn’t for so many children.

I wish I had the answers to prevent further harm coming to just one child. Sadly, I don’t.

 

[Jennifer17]

If safe haven housing was made available, I would like there to be long term counselling so that they do not go back to the violent partner or jump straight into another one. Some women seem to go from one violent relationship to the next.

 

[madoodi]

The whole case is so distressing. Poor beautiful girl had to lose her life at the hands of that despicable person.

What really bothers me about Julene is that after she knew what Rick did to Tiah she continued operating her family day care. I am not 100% sure, but surely she knew about the abuse charges against him and still decided to take on a foster daughter! And continue her day care! Absolutely disgusting and unforgivable. And her opening up to police was so matter of fact. No remorse, no tears, no shame in what she had taken part in. She knew what would happen that night to Tiah. It was all probably a plan. If her son had sexual relations with Tiah the week before, any woman knows you can't just "be pregnant " the week after after having tummy pains. Plus given your husband's dedpicable nature and history you would not leave him alone with Tiah, especially after the revelation that day!

This family disgusts me to my core. And after reading about Trent having done something with a family member before, his account of what happened with Tiah is so pathetic. He knew she was only 12!!! Threatened his dog!! - oh please! He could have easily told his parents if it was that simple.

Unfortunately I think that Rick probably had ill intentions with Tiah the entire time she was there. His reaction to his son sleeping with her is simply not rational and given the way she was discovered implies something really sinister. I just hope that one day the coward will come clean as to what he did to her. I hope he rots in jail.

No child should have EVER have been placed in their care in any capacity.

Please excuse my rant. This has just really upset me.

 

[Bohemian]

The whole case is so distressing. Poor beautiful girl had to lose her life at the hands of that despicable person.

What really bothers me about Julene is that after she knew what Rick did to Tiah she continued operating her family day care. I am not 100% sure, but surely she knew about the abuse charges against him and still decided to take on a foster daughter! And continue her day care! Absolutely disgusting and unforgivable. And her opening up to police was so matter of fact. No remorse, no tears, no shame in what she had taken part in. She knew what would happen that night to Tiah. It was all probably a plan. If her son had sexual relations with Tiah the week before, any woman knows you can't just "be pregnant " the week after after having tummy pains. Plus given your husband's dedpicable nature and history you would not leave him alone with Tiah, especially after the revelation that day!

This family disgusts me to my core. And after reading about Trent having done something with a family member before, his account of what happened with Tiah is so pathetic. He knew she was only 12!!! Threatened his dog!! - oh please! He could have easily told his parents if it was that simple.

Unfortunately I think that Rick probably had ill intentions with Tiah the entire time she was there. His reaction to his son sleeping with her is simply not rational and given the way she was discovered implies something really sinister. I just hope that one day the coward will come clean as to what he did to her. I hope he rots in jail.

No child should have EVER have been placed in their care in any capacity.

Please excuse my rant. This has just really upset me.

Very well said, madoodi. Please don’t apologise. It’s impossible to remain dispassionate about the circumstances of Tiah’s sexual assault(s?) and murder and the child sex crimes against other little girls.