Australia- Two sisters in their 20s found dead inside Sydney unit had been there lengthy time, Suspicious deaths, June 2022

  • #781
Another way to enter and exit high rise apartment upper level corridors without using the lift, would be to use the emergency exit stairwells/doors.

I wonder how much CCTV covered these (including the internal stairwells themselves)?
 
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  • #782
I wouldn't put it beyond the Daily Mail newspaper reporters to go back for another sniff at the next home open.

Maybe a Government could consider leasing out the apartment for a year or two in honour of its victims.
 
  • #783
Another way to enter and exit high rise apartment upper level corridors without using the lift, would be to use the emergency exit stairwells/doors.

I wonder how much CCTV covered these (including the internal stairwells themselves)?
I think if someone did murder them, they had moved in with them. I don't think they snuck in.
 
  • #784
I think if someone did murder them, they had moved in with them.
If they were running out of money, the two sisters could have shared one of the bedrooms and sublet one of the other rooms to someone else.

Possibly as an AirBNB room?

Or listed on some free online share apartment/home/room sight.

This person might have only lasted or been there a few nights.
 
  • #785
''Among the handful of people at the viewing were two Chinese students and friends, Tam and Lo, who said they were attracted to the apartment by its low price.
The apartment was previously listed for $540 a week and is now advertised at $520. SBS News understands the sisters were previously paying $480. The real estate agent present at the inspection said the owner was willing to reduce it from $540.''

''One block away from the apartment, Gurkay Cukadar works at a Turkish cafeteria and remembers the elder of the two sisters, Asra, as being friendly.
"Sometimes she is coming to get chips and that's it. She was quite a lovely lady and she was actually speaking some Turkish words as well, she was quite friendly,” he said.
“When she was coming here and we talk she was quite friendly to us and doesn't seem like she was afraid."
 
  • #786
I am not sure whether the real estate listing for the Alsehli sisters' apartment has been posted, but you can view it here.
As for the smell. The odour from decaying remains, particularly human remains, permeates any porous surface or absorbent material, like wool, cotton, carpet, and even paint and gyprock walls and ceilings. It is virtually impossible to remove and it can linger for months, if not years. I know of cases where people have torn down walls and removed ceilings panels to remove the smell.
Then there is a creepy factor....I've walked into houses and rooms, and have never been there before but felt an overpowering feeling of unease and creepiness.
 
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  • #787
I wonder if they arrived with legitimate passports. The Building manager was shocked when he met them as they looked like little girls.the previous landlord thought they looked like they were about 13 or 14. I wonder if their ages are real or if they could be younger? Doesn’t have much to do with anything but would be interesting to know if their ages are correct.

They were compared with “little sparrows”. Could be genetic, could possibly be eating disorder. The tendency to overuse energy drinks might be observed in people who want to suppress appetite. Eating disorder might easily develop on coming to the country like AU and taking off burka. Your body is more seen, and you can compare it with other bodies around. If the girls had a tendency to put on weight easily, then the tendency to limit food could have developed in AU.
 
  • #788
I am not sure whether the real estate listing for the Alsehli sisters' apartment has been posted.
'$520

115/314 Canterbury Road Canterbury

2 Beds 2 Baths 1 Parking
Bond $2,080
Available from Sunday, 07 August 2022
status Now Leasing'


PIA = PROPERTY INVESTORS ALLIANCE
 
  • #789
''Among the handful of people at the viewing were two Chinese students and friends, Tam and Lo, who said they were attracted to the apartment by its low price.
The apartment was previously listed for $540 a week and is now advertised at $520. SBS News understands the sisters were previously paying $480. The real estate agent present at the inspection said the owner was willing to reduce it from $540.''

''One block away from the apartment, Gurkay Cukadar works at a Turkish cafeteria and remembers the elder of the two sisters, Asra, as being friendly.
"Sometimes she is coming to get chips and that's it. She was quite a lovely lady and she was actually speaking some Turkish words as well, she was quite friendly,” he said.
“When she was coming here and we talk she was quite friendly to us and doesn't seem like she was afraid."
What is interesting about all the press coverage is that there has been little systematic investigation by journalists, apart from the ABC Background Briefing. And they missed lines of enquiry too. For instance, Gurkay Cukadar of the Turkish cafeteria, might have been asked when he last saw them. The idea is to discover if there was a change in their behaviour, if they went from shy but friendly to fearful and reclusive. A start would have been to walk up and down the street talking to takeaways and other shops. The building manager seems helpful. The way the sisters' email was written, in terms of English proficiency also gives clues, as does the email address. [And that, along with using Uber eats, suggests they had phones and maybe a lap top.]

I also note from the SBS report, that NSW Police are translating an appeal for information into Arabic. When were the Alsehli sisters found? How many weeks ago? And the police have only just thought to do this?
Ethnic communities do not get their news from the SMH, DT, DM, or ABC. Rita, (the sisters lived in a granny flat attached to a house occupied by Rita and her parents) said she found out about the sisters' deaths via facebook. The police should be reading the paper and realise that they have a communication problem with the ethnic community - and as a standard police use translators. And given that the BB journalists found that the Saudi community here are fearful, the police need to tell the community they can communicate with police in confidence - and then tell them how to do so. IMHO.
 
  • #790
  • #791
FWIW.
2019
''Professor John Blaxland from the Australian National University said many countries had a track record of trying to use their nationals living in Australia to sway decisions made by government agencies, corporations and education institutions in their favour.

He said this was achieved by planting spies in diplomatic missions but could also involve blackmailing or coercing refugees and migrants into becoming informers.

"There are broad principles that apply not just to Rwanda, but a range of countries, including China," Professor Blaxland said.

"Refugees who flee often have family connections remaining with [their] home country.

"The government can choose to exercise that power over the minds of the residents in Australia concerning safety and wellbeing of relatives back home, and that can be a very difficult pressure to resist."
Senior intelligence figures told the ABC that China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, North Korea and Malaysia were known to monitor their diaspora living in Australia, while also seeking to silence those who might speak out against their former governments.

In several instances, one source said, the Australian government of the day has used diplomatic channels to make known its concern, with a view to stopping the intimidation.

The intelligence community refer to these people recruited by fully trained foreign spies as "co-optees" or agents.

According to another international intelligence expert, there are hundreds of "co-optees" operating in Australia, and many have been blackmailed, threatened or coerced into joining.''

''The expert said some agents would seek to gain political gossip from the press clubs, parliaments and diplomatic functions, but their main job was to recruit agents and get recruit agents to get valuable information.

This can happen through a front group, or so-called "false flag" operation, where they purport to be something they're not — like a charity or community group, he said.''
 
  • #792
  • #793
What is interesting about all the press coverage is that there has been little systematic investigation by journalists, apart from the ABC Background Briefing. And they missed lines of enquiry too. For instance, Gurkay Cukadar of the Turkish cafeteria, might have been asked when he last saw them. The idea is to discover if there was a change in their behaviour, if they went from shy but friendly to fearful and reclusive. A start would have been to walk up and down the street talking to takeaways and other shops. The building manager seems helpful. The way the sisters' email was written, in terms of English proficiency also gives clues, as does the email address. [And that, along with using Uber eats, suggests they had phones and maybe a lap top.]

I also note from the SBS report, that NSW Police are translating an appeal for information into Arabic. When were the Alsehli sisters found? How many weeks ago? And the police have only just thought to do this?
Ethnic communities do not get their news from the SMH, DT, DM, or ABC. Rita, (the sisters lived in a granny flat attached to a house occupied by Rita and her parents) said she found out about the sisters' deaths via facebook. The police should be reading the paper and realise that they have a communication problem with the ethnic community - and as a standard police use translators. And given that the BB journalists found that the Saudi community here are fearful, the police need to tell the community they can communicate with police in confidence - and then tell them how to do so. IMHO.

I am sorry, I always read about this email. Has it ever been published?
 
  • #794
FWIW.
2019
''Professor John Blaxland from the Australian National University said many countries had a track record of trying to use their nationals living in Australia to sway decisions made by government agencies, corporations and education institutions in their favour.

He said this was achieved by planting spies in diplomatic missions but could also involve blackmailing or coercing refugees and migrants into becoming informers.

"There are broad principles that apply not just to Rwanda, but a range of countries, including China," Professor Blaxland said.

"Refugees who flee often have family connections remaining with [their] home country.

"The government can choose to exercise that power over the minds of the residents in Australia concerning safety and wellbeing of relatives back home, and that can be a very difficult pressure to resist."
Senior intelligence figures told the ABC that China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, North Korea and Malaysia were known to monitor their diaspora living in Australia, while also seeking to silence those who might speak out against their former governments.

In several instances, one source said, the Australian government of the day has used diplomatic channels to make known its concern, with a view to stopping the intimidation.

The intelligence community refer to these people recruited by fully trained foreign spies as "co-optees" or agents.

According to another international intelligence expert, there are hundreds of "co-optees" operating in Australia, and many have been blackmailed, threatened or coerced into joining.''

''The expert said some agents would seek to gain political gossip from the press clubs, parliaments and diplomatic functions, but their main job was to recruit agents and get recruit agents to get valuable information.

This can happen through a front group, or so-called "false flag" operation, where they purport to be something they're not — like a charity or community group, he said.''

To be honest, I was asking myself if a different case scenario was possible here. If the girls were either sent into the country as potential spies, or an attempt was made to recruit them, but they refused. Not paying for 10 weeks and having no money indicates lack of connection, or severed connections. Their fear, if emerging suddenly, means lack of connections. Them suddenly moving might mean, fear and wish to cut off all potential ties. That could explain their horror, being cut off means and ultimately, deaths.
 
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  • #795
This case gives me a headache :(

Every scenario is possible.

And equally horrifying.

I'm really interested what the final Police statement will be.

I think it will be professional. Whether they will tell us all, or not, is impossible to predict. However, so far, the police is avoiding sensational, but uninformative, statements. They seem to be methodical.
 
  • #796
  • #797
The 2 sisters young look is maybe more reflective of too many of the local's (Australian's) sun exposure, smoking, drugs, alcohol. and poor eating and sleeping habits.

Indeed! I have many muslim neighbours and firstly they are mostly small in stature so that makes them appear youthful and secondly they don't go out much or sit in the sun and thirdly they eat extremely healthily and never smoke or drink or use drugs etc so they have lovely clear skin and bright eyes. All of that could lead a person to think they're much younger.
 
  • #798
To be honest, I was asking myself if a different case scenario was possible here. If the girls were either sent into the country as potential spies, or an attempt was made to recruit them, but they refused. Not paying for 10 weeks and having no money indicates lack of connection, or severed connections. Their fear, if emerging suddenly, means lack of connections. Them suddenly moving might mean, fear and wish to cut off all potential ties. That could explain their horror, being cut off

There was a media article I recall reporting that the police had taken a laptop from their apartment.
This is what I am most interested in hearing about. I think they would have been very active online. They probably even have profiles on forums and social media under fake names.
 
  • #799

Unbelievable…they didn’t translate into Arabic yet?
And revealed/alleged below in a lengthy 2nd SBS article this afternoon (AEST).


'Saffaa said she had seen unsubstantiated claims on Saudi social media alleging the women were part of a network that helped women escape Saudi Arabia.

She said she had tried to contact Burwood Police Station to ask for a community briefing but police were dismissive.
“When the community reached out to the police, they didn’t give us the time of day,” she said.'

'“When news came out, people in the community asked me to contact the police and [police] weren’t helpful. They were dismissive. I called for days trying to offer the community’s help, but there was no call back. It wasn’t a good experience.”

A spokesperson for NSW Police told SBS News the force "always welcomes the community’s assistance as it continues to investigate the death of the two women, which is why we have appealed for information".

"All information is investigated thoroughly no matter how small, and the NSW Police Force will provide updates as they become available."

'Saffaa said no one in the community she had spoken with believes the sisters died by suicide.'
 
  • #800
Photo from bfew's link below.
It is easy to imagine climbing onto the roof of a similarly high truck, then stepping onto the apartment balcony. imo, speculation.

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