Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #5

[sosocurious]

Justice Mullins said "I don't think you can proceed on the basis that it's objectively a weak case.

You've got that difficulty that although theoretically your client wasn't on the balcony, it makes the murder case a little bit more difficult...............................................
But I would have thought it is a reasonably strong case for manslaughter on the material as it stands at the moment...................

The investigation is ongoing, so it's hard to be definitive.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...051234017?nk=15d5962a2f8843a31c6738277722e352

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...er-he-met-her-on/story-fnj94idh-1227020975170

Gone for 5½ months now ... but never forgotten.

:rose:

 

[SouthAussie]

Another nice pic of Rrie that I hadn't seen before. Her mum is in the picture too (see link). Happy times ....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ena-Wright-fell-death-Gold-Coast-balcony.html

 

[Snoods]

That's a lovely picture, SA. I see where Rrie gets her big, pretty smile from.

 

[Snoods]

I'm sure if police and forensics thought there was the smallest chance that Tostee may have dangled WW over the balcony they wouldn't have conceeded that he didn't, and he probably wouldn't be on bail. <modsnip>QUOTE]

I'll admit I struggle with this. Does anyone wonder if LE spoke too hastily about GT not placing her over the balcony? The positioning of Rrie's feet may not have been enough evidence to confirm it, perhaps?

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[Bicept]

I'll admit I struggle with this. Does anyone wonder if LE spoke too hastily about GT not placing her over the balcony? The positioning of Rrie's feet may not have been enough evidence to confirm it, perhaps?

But I don't believe it is pointless for us to discuss it here, Bicept.

It's what the prosecution alleged at the initial bail hearing as well as the one a couple of months after.

Witnesses saw her climbing over.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ble-tostees-unit/story-fnihsrf2-1227051950766

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[Snoods]

It's what the prosecution alleged at the initial bail hearing as well as the one a couple of months after.

Witnesses saw her climbing over.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ble-tostees-unit/story-fnihsrf2-1227051950766

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Yes, I know that's what prosecution alleges.

As for the witnesses who saw her climbing over, I believe there is only one witness who made that exact statement correct? I've always taken that to mean she assumed her to be climbing over, since she could only see her legs and not if someone was on the other side of the balcony.

Regarding the audio, I have a different theory on that but I don't believe we are allowed to discuss that here are we?

ETA: Not sure if you would be interested in hearing my theory anyway since it doesn't jibe with what prosecution alleges...it's just my own personal theory.

 

[Bicept]

Yes, I know that's what prosecution alleges.

As for the witnesses who saw her climbing over, I believe there is only one witness who made that exact statement correct? I've always taken that to mean she assumed her to be climbing over, since she could only see her legs and not if someone was on the other side of the balcony.

Regarding the audio, I have a different theory on that but I don't believe we are allowed to discuss that here are we?

ETA: Not sure if you would be interested in hearing my theory anyway since it doesn't jibe with what prosecution alleges...it's just my own personal theory.

No witness that we know of saw Tostee on the balcony or suggested that he had any role in WW going over the balcony.

The prosecution states that she climbed over while Tostee was inside, and that is what they are proceeding with, so any alternate theories have no bearing on the reality of the matter or its outcome.

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[Bicept]

The public denial is almost comical isn't it? We're expected to believe the media feels free to make up any old crap about "two leading law firms with the Legal Services Commission", and they'd just let that slide. Okay, brah.

Or... maybe the Legal Services Commission, as well as his former lawyers, are just out to get him too, now. :waitasec:

A complaint about Julie Frost does not mean she had anything to do with Tostee's choice of lawyer.

As for the media "making stuff up", it happens literally all the time.

 

[Ausgirl]

A complaint about Julie Frost does not mean she had anything to do with Tostee's choice of lawyer.

As for the media "making stuff up", it happens literally all the time.

It is understood a complaint from one legal team has been lodged against Ms Frost and her involvement with governing body the Legal Services Commission.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...kv-1227180127738?from=gold+coast+bulletin_rss

Clearly, her interference wasn't appreciated.

 

[Bicept]

It is understood a complaint from one legal team has been lodged against Ms Frost and her involvement with governing body the Legal Services Commission.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...kv-1227180127738?from=gold+coast+bulletin_rss

Clearly, her interference wasn't appreciated.

Again, a complaint about her involvement doesn't mean she caused Tostee to switch lawyers. Why would he take advice from her? Didn't he block her on facebook? The complaint could have been instigated by Tostee himself after she tried to contact him.

The article is vague. Who exactly accused her of becoming a "wedge" if neither Potts or O'Gorman responded to comment? It doesn't tell us who. How exactly would she have caused Tostee to split with a lawyer?

Why would Tostee publicly distance himself from Julie Frost unless he didn't appreciate her involvement?

Besides, it wouldn't be the first time the GC Bulletin has made stuff up.

 

[Ausgirl]

Again, a complaint about her involvement doesn't mean she caused Tostee to switch lawyers. Why would he take advice from her? Didn't he block her on facebook? The complaint could have been instigated by Tostee himself after she tried to contact him.

The article is vague. Who exactly accused her of becoming a "wedge" if neither Potts or O'Gorman responded to comment? It doesn't tell us who. How exactly would she have caused Tostee to split with a lawyer?

Why would Tostee publicly distance himself from Julie Frost unless he didn't appreciate her involvement?

Besides, it wouldn't be the first time the GC Bulletin has made stuff up.

If you'd bother to read the rest of the thread, there's a link a few pages back that I can't really discuss because it's not mainstream media, pertaining to the issue of Frost giving legal advice to Tostee's family. In her own words.

Which seems quite odd, all round. Is all I'm going to say on that.

 

[enzeder]

Please don't tell me what to post, thank you. If you don't want to read my posts, just put me on ignore and don't reply to me.

You mean to tell me that LE aren't following my posts as a guideline for their case? Crestfallen. BTW, this is a discussion forum not a courtroom. And just because you don't believe it doesn't make it fiction.

BBM :lol:

 

[SouthAussie]

Happy Australia Day, everyone!

:australia:

Hope that you enjoy a few drinks with your mates, if that is what you want, and enjoy watching the fireworks after dark.

Hope you have a great year, too!

arty:

 

[enzeder]

BBM :yes:

"Detective Superintendent David Hutchinson of the Gold Coast CIB told APNZ screams were heard at the unit "shortly before the fall" at 2.30am on Friday. "There was a disturbance in the unit, there were raised voices."

Police had obtained statements from nearby residents who witnessed and heard "certain things". Mr Hutchinson would not go into further detail."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11307442

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Happy Australia Day, everyone!

:australia:

Hope that you enjoy a few drinks with your mates, if that is what you want, and enjoy watching the fireworks after dark.

Hope you have a great year, too!

arty:

Awwww... Happy Australia Day to my very fine friends and fellow Sleuthers!

:gday:

:australia:

 

[Bicept]

If you'd bother to read the rest of the thread, there's a link a few pages back that I can't really discuss because it's not mainstream media, pertaining to the issue of Frost giving legal advice to Tostee's family. In her own words.

Which seems quite odd, all round. Is all I'm going to say on that.

That's what I was referring to, proves my point.

 

[enzeder]

Well, he does say on the bb forum that he can't hear a thing in his apartment when the balcony doors are closed.

Which leads me to wonder how the recording picked up Rrie’s fading scream as she was falling, if he was inside the apartment with the doors closed.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=158899893&p=1177976553&viewfull=1#post1177976553


(OMG .. what is going on with WS tonight .. it is sooooooo slow!)

BBM

Exactly! :wink:

 

[Celest]

It is understood a complaint from one legal team has been lodged against Ms Frost and her involvement with governing body the Legal Services Commission.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au...kv-1227180127738?from=gold+coast+bulletin_rss

Clearly, her interference wasn't appreciated.

There is nothing illegal about taking free advice from a law student, or anyone. I'd say perhaps as a law student, Frost may have broken a minor ethic only in giving continuing advice to someone who had engaged a legal practitioner. This is what I think the interference is .

My guess is OGorman is motivated by spite, because he lost a high profile client that was going to make him a lot of money, and give him some fame, and well as a feather in his cap for an easy win.

But why is this even being discussed? IT has nothing to do with the charges at all, its a total side issue.

 

[Celest]

BBM :yes:

"Detective Superintendent David Hutchinson of the Gold Coast CIB told APNZ screams were heard at the unit "shortly before the fall" at 2.30am on Friday. "There was a disturbance in the unit, there were raised voices."

Police had obtained statements from nearby residents who witnessed and heard "certain things". Mr Hutchinson would not go into further detail."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11307442

Why is the accused out on bail if people witnessed certain things? I guess they didnt witness anything substantial? And where can anyone observe that balcony from it seems to be out of view of everyone? I think all they witnessed was the fall.