Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #12

[Makara]

It looks like they were both listed at the same address!?

Where are you looking? As I said that is incorrect. Firstly is was not the 1980 census. That has not been released to the public and won't be for another 65 years due to privacy restrictions. I initially found BS listed on the NSW 1980 Electrol Roll and the woman he was living with (who also has the surname Spedding) does not have the same christian name as the mother of the two victims. Her christian name was reported in MSM.

The full name of BS's first wife is irrelevant here and should not be mentioned.

 

[Cleaver Greene]

It just got me to thinking why there are so many cases of historical sexual abuse of children from that decade in the courts currently.
Close and ongoing working relationship between the squads - no blurring.
IMO

Also, there used to be a statute of limitations on sex offences. Those statutes have been lifted in the last few years, so historical offences can now be prosecuted.

Another reason could be changes in the way complainants give evidence, eg by audio visual link, pre recorded evidence etc, and restrictions on cross examination. These changes would have made the process for the victim less traumatic, so victims would be more likely to come forward.

IMO

 

[ThaiBali]

My comments were in relation to this post.

If you were on a jury to decide on the guilt of BS in the abduction of William how would you find on the evidence we know of at this time? I think the reason the police have not charged him is because they know the evidence would not get a conviction. I am not saying that I think he IS innocent. Just that the police need more for a conviction and frankly, I don't think they have it. I think the best way for the police to proceed would be to offer a huge reward for information.

Well, it would have been easier had we known what we were replying too.

 

[they'll get you]

FOOTAGE has emerged of an eight-year-old boy’s terrified flight from a man who attempted to snatch him from his own backyard in Perth’s south-east on Monday.
The security video footage taken from a neighbour’s house shows the distressed looking boy running down the street early in the morning.
The video emerged on Tuesday as police continued their investigation into the attempted abduction.
Officers want to speak to a woman seen walking in the area around the time of the incident.
The boy was left traumatised after a man reportedly scaled a fence, grabbed him from his backyard on Modillion Avenue in Shelley, covered his mouth and dragged him up the street.
The terrified child says he managed to escape by elbowing the man.


http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...-walking-in-area/story-fnii5thn-1227400796108

 

[Wexford]

I think the charges historical charges wont be heard at the same time as a trial for the current investigation. They are just not similar enough. Adrian Bayley has had several rape charges all heard independently of each other. Unless there is some definitive link between the charges (ie, the charges against both sisters) I think they will all be subject to separate trials.

I would even go so far as to say that even if BS is convicted of the historical charges and is then charged on the WT matter, the court will not hear evidence of the historical matters.

IMO

No but what I meant was, if the historical charges are made to stick, a jury in the case of WT will be aware of it and it could make a difference as to the result. With Bowraville they somehow didnt know about the other cases at the two trials.

 

[Karo]

Pardon me, I had no idea I was required to become emotionally involved in this case, much better for me not to, for my own sanity.
Is there some rule about that? if so I will correct it.

The 3yo....his name is William

 

[bearbear]

in 1987 ms children would have been young when she married bs, its known that paedophiles befriend vulnerable women with children, what a scary dangerous environment for the children with bs and jh and who knows who else, with children being raped and passed around.
i think most paedpohiles are very cunning and get away with it for years by threatening the children they hurt.
if bs is a paedophile i think the 1987 rape is only the tip of the iceberg
ive posted this link before but not sure if this person is related to the situation or not?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-12-19/paedophile-escapes-anger-over-delayed-warning/245344

 

[Cleaver Greene]

No but what I meant was, if the historical charges are made to stick, a jury in the case of WT will be aware of it and it could make a difference as to the result. With Bowraville they somehow didnt know about the other cases at the two trials.

I doubt the historical charges would be admissable in a trial involving WT. for prior offending to be admissable the circumstances have to be "so strikingly similar" that the judge or jury could infer that they were committed by the same person. Its a really complicated area of the law. But generally the law is that you cant assume a person has committed an offence just because they have a conviction for another offence, unless the offending is very very similar.

IMO

 

[Kyja]

The photo of BS coming out of the store without his wedding ring. Probably nothing but wondering if that's why you put husband in quotations

Just wanted to quickly add that he had just been released from prison so his jewellery and personal effects were probably with ms, your not allowed jewellery in prison

 

[Kyja]

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/31...community-to-unite-for-missing-boys-birthday/

Just had this article pop up on my fb news feed.

 

[ollijack]

FOOTAGE has emerged of an eight-year-old boy’s terrified flight from a man who attempted to snatch him from his own backyard in Perth’s south-east on Monday.
The security video footage taken from a neighbour’s house shows the distressed looking boy running down the street early in the morning.
The video emerged on Tuesday as police continued their investigation into the attempted abduction.
Officers want to speak to a woman seen walking in the area around the time of the incident.
The boy was left traumatised after a man reportedly scaled a fence, grabbed him from his backyard on Modillion Avenue in Shelley, covered his mouth and dragged him up the street.
The terrified child says he managed to escape by elbowing the man.


http://www.news.com.au/national/wes...-walking-in-area/story-fnii5thn-1227400796108

My God...that poor little guy.....its repulsive. They need a vat of acid to drop these freaks into. My Own Opinion

 

[ollijack]

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/31...community-to-unite-for-missing-boys-birthday/

Just had this article pop up on my fb news feed.

Its just so damn sad....Someone has a heart as black as hell. My Own Opinion

 

[Manny83]

Just wanted to quickly add that he had just been released from prison so his jewellery and personal effects were probably with ms, your not allowed jewellery in prison

Ah true you're right

 

[they'll get you]

My God...that poor little guy.....its repulsive. They need a vat of acid to drop these freaks into. My Own Opinion

He was eight & able to fight....William was only a three year old baby.

 

[Manny83]

Sorry if it's already been cleared up regarding who was inside or outside but if both mum and grandma were outside, it boggles my mind even more so as to how william was taken. I know they were on decent land but if they were outside wouldn't they be more aware of the general track william was taking around the house? But if he was taken while someone was inside, I can sort of see how that could happen because you get sidetracked by random things in the house

 

[Karo]

My feeling about that is that it is the reporters view.
To me, it says that he knew family were coming to visit, not that he knew exactly when or exactly who. (unless he had information from someone who was following the movements of the FF and it was a planned abduction)

"In other developments, The Daily Telegraph reported today that while at the home, Spedding was made aware of William’s impending visit during a conversation with the grandmother, dispelling suggestions that no one knew that the family was due to arrive."

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/n...s-case-is-arrested-on-unrelated-charges-20281

 

[Wexford]

I doubt the historical charges would be admissable in a trial involving WT. for prior offending to be admissable the circumstances have to be "so strikingly similar" that the judge or jury could infer that they were committed by the same person. Its a really complicated area of the law. But generally the law is that you cant assume a person has committed an offence just because they have a conviction for another offence, unless the offending is very very similar.

IMO

Yes but the jury most likely will be aware of it. It has been pretty high profile.

 

[Wexford]

I think truth is referring to the text ms sent to one of the victims saying "it saddens me you're involved in this" ?

Do you see that as 'threatening'? I dont really. Guilt-bombing, yes.

 

[Karo]

Not threatening to me either, I do wonder if they have a relationship already so it would probably be something that a wife and stepmother would do, if they regularly traded text messages, however, isn't this the same person who had BS and MS stay over at her home recently? Another consideration is, perhaps they had already discussed the historical evidence.

Do you see that as 'threatening'? I dont really. Guilt-bombing, yes.

 

[sosocurious]

Sorry if it's already been cleared up regarding who was inside or outside but if both mum and grandma were outside, it boggles my mind even more so as to how william was taken. I know they were on decent land but if they were outside wouldn't they be more aware of the general track william was taking around the house? But if he was taken while someone was inside, I can sort of see how that could happen because you get sidetracked by random things in the house

Well, when I realised that William was missing, I just, I think back to that moment where I just went, I can’t hear him, why, why can’t I hear him, and I walked around, seriously it was just 2, 3 metres away from where we were sitting,

These are Mum's words in the interview - so it seems they may have been sitting outside.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...full-transcript-from-william-tyrrells-parents