Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #14

[they'll get you]

Excellent article. It perfectly sums up the frustration.

Unbelievable that William's parents were prevented from speaking at all for seven months and then only on the condition that they don't show their faces.

i was listening to 2GB yesterday when a man called regarding the 60 minutes segment. He was very suspicious about why their faces were covered and insinuating dark reasons...unfortunately the announcer was not able to tell him the reasons due to the privacy issues which actually made it all sound worse!

That made me think that many others who don't know what we know are fobbing it off as some sort of a scam.

Its really sad that these things can't be disclosed. I understand, you understand but the majority out there don't!

 

[leigh123]

Its really sad that these things can't be disclosed. I understand, you understand but the majority out there don't!

I've obviously known of this case for a while but the 60 Mins story really peaked my interest in it.

Without going back through all the posts in this thread what is the info that can't be disclosed ? Is it info that people here know that can't be mentioned in here or info mentioned in here but the media can't disclose ? I'd love to know what it is but understand if not.

 

[Angeline]

If you read the posts on Facebook about the 60 Minutes episode you can see this is true. People who have not delved into this as we on Webslueths have think the parents are involved. They think it is very suspicious that they will not identify themselves. No-one can understand why the are not shouting it from the rooftops.And if people are thinking the parents are involved they are not looking for William. Who cares who the parents are? Lets just find William.

I sometimes read FB comments forgetting that I'll lose brain cells. I'll try not to do that again. The idiocy out there is depressing.

 

[Angeline]

Maybe those two cars were sent to scope out the situation? I've always thought it an amazing "coincidence" that dad had left for town just prior to the abduction taking place. Once dad had left, one car remained in order to continue scoping the situation. We have only been told of one car being seen doing a u-turn and leaving. Maybe this car was following dad to ensure they knew where he was and that he was not making an unexpected return?

BBM. Excellent theory. You might be onto something.

 

[Manny83]

God that's a damn terrifying possibility

 

[Karinna]

Maybe those two cars were sent to scope out the situation? I've always thought it an amazing "coincidence" that dad had left for town just prior to the abduction taking place. Once dad had left, one car remained in order to continue scoping the situation. We have only been told of one car being seen doing a u-turn and leaving. Maybe this car was following dad to ensure they knew where he was and that he was not making an unexpected return?

That's a really good point, and implies someone was watching the family movements as to when whoever took WT would be able to get to him.
A premeditated deliberate action. With two vehicles involved if that is the case, it would seem as you mention one was perhaps a look out vehicle? I wonder if these people had any enemies? I recall the 60 minutes programme i think it was that there was mention of the father being a businessman. I think it is also difficult to think what the motive is in this crime without having the full picture, and if there were legal issues which the family need to be protected from disclosing publically it makes things even more intriguing.

 

[Froglady]

One way or another I hope they find him. JMO but the morcombes showing their faces didn't get their son back within a short time :/ Also because there were two cars didn't mean there were only two people. Maybe one car did have another person to hold him in the back... All I know is it must be terrible living in a nightmare not knowing where he is

 

[Eloise]

If we're getting into there being two cars sent to scope out the situation beforehand, then I think it's a lot more complex a situation than the earlier described 'opportunistic' abduction only at the hands of (implied) Spedding. As a previous poster noted, how often are children of unconnected people abducted in such a way by a representative, for want of a better word, of a pedophile ring for the ongoing 'use' (ugh) of that pedophile ring? That situation seems very unlikely and quite bizarre. A statistical anomaly, frankly.

That's a really good point, and implies someone was watching the family movements as to when whoever took WT would be able to get to him.
A premeditated deliberate action. With two vehicles involved if that is the case, it would seem as you mention one was perhaps a look out vehicle? I wonder if these people had any enemies? I recall the 60 minutes programme i think it was that there was mention of the father being a businessman. I think it is also difficult to think what the motive is in this crime without having the full picture, and if there were legal issues which the family need to be protected from disclosing publically it makes things even more intriguing.

But just playing devils advocate, if WT was a deliberate target based on business interests of the father/parents (and I do not think that this is the case - not based on the facts released to date, anyway) why no ransom demand? Children of businesspeople have been kidnapped in the past but usually accompanied by some kind of demand. Doesn't seem like it fits what we know so far. But then the facts are constantly changing, so who knows.

 

[pinklilies]

Thank you Richieswan, those maps showed me exactly what I wanted to know re the "creepy" house.
Would love to know if grandma knew the owner. It still intrigues me that house.

I've not read every post here, can I ask why it's a 'creepy' house?
I tried googling it but that only brought up a 'creepy' man seen stood watching the search with his arms folded, then reported by a member of the public.

 

[Manny83]

I've not read every post here, can I ask why it's a 'creepy' house?
I tried googling it but that only brought up a 'creepy' man seen stood watching the search with his arms folded, then reported by a member of the public.

The photos of the house looked a bit strange. Tvs on floor etc. And the description mentioned a man needing to sell it asap
See here
https://m.realestate.com.au/property-house-nsw-kendall-118324311

ETA A lot of the original photos are gone now? The lounge room photo is gone

 

[kiwi50]

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The photos of the house looked a bit strange. Tvs on floor etc. And the description mentioned a man needing to sell it asap
See here
https://m.realestate.com.au/property-house-nsw-kendall-118324311

ETA A lot of the original photos are gone now?? The lounge room photo is gone

The house doesn't look so creepy now, no pictures of the lounge.
Re thinking the creepy house, I believe those photos Look like they were taken when the owner moved in, the microwave still has a big label on it, so had the house been empty and the owner didn't even get new pics taken to sell it. That does seem odd.
Could someone have been squatting there?

 

[Manny83]

I can't remember what everyone said about the description but what does this mean?

"We have obtained all information from sources we believe to be reliable; however, we cannot guarantee its accuracy. Prospective purchasers are advised to carry out
their own investigations."

 

[Acidtear]

The photos of the house looked a bit strange. Tvs on floor etc. And the description mentioned a man needing to sell it asap
See here
https://m.realestate.com.au/property-house-nsw-kendall-118324311

ETA A lot of the original photos are gone now? The lounge room photo is gone

This has extra photos
http://www.onthehouse.com.au/reports/property_profile/4098058/35_Benaroon_Drive_KENDALL_NSW_2439/

 

[pinklilies]

The photos of the house looked a bit strange. Tvs on floor etc. And the description mentioned a man needing to sell it asap
See here
https://m.realestate.com.au/propert... cars belonged to someone viewing that house?

 

[crabstick]

If the TVs were on the floor then maybe someone visiting TV on the floor person took an opportunity?
Whether they discovered WT in an opportune moment or preplanned abduction.
TV people moved out because they knew some heat was coming they didnt need even if they werent directly involved.

Thank you for this Manny. This has now led me to find where it was being discussed here so I'm reading up on it now.

The pic of the lounge is still on the internet though. It looks to me like the person was ready for moving out.

Mervin Bell child rapist found dead in Casaurina prison protective custody (MAX) today.

 

[Karinna]

If we're getting into there being two cars sent to scope out the situation beforehand, then I think it's a lot more complex a situation than the earlier described 'opportunistic' abduction only at the hands of (implied) Spedding. As a previous poster noted, how often are children of unconnected people abducted in such a way by a representative, for want of a better word, of a pedophile ring for the ongoing 'use' (ugh) of that pedophile ring? That situation seems very unlikely and quite bizarre. A statistical anomaly, frankly.




But just playing devils advocate, if WT was a deliberate target based on business interests of the father/parents (and I do not think that this is the case - not based on the facts released to date, anyway) why no ransom demand? Children of businesspeople have been kidnapped in the past but usually accompanied by some kind of demand. Doesn't seem like it fits what we know so far. But then the facts are constantly changing, so who knows.

I guess we don't even know for sure if those parked vehicles that were seen had anything to do with an abduction, or has that been verified? I think the police are still wanting information about who's cars they were.
I also was not thinking about anyone demanding any type of ransom for taking William, but more of the kind of some type of payback scenario. But i think the LE would have already asked the parents about anyone that could of had a vendetta against them for any reason? An awful thought to take it out on a little boy, but there are some very nasty people in this world that go the revenge route if something is bad enough and feel they have been wronged in some way.
It also would seem someone had to know the parents movements to target William and has there ever been any similar child abductions in the area or surrounding areas that could involve a paedophile ring?

 

[Angeline]

If we're getting into there being two cars sent to scope out the situation beforehand, then I think it's a lot more complex a situation than the earlier described 'opportunistic' abduction only at the hands of (implied) Spedding. As a previous poster noted, how often are children of unconnected people abducted in such a way by a representative, for want of a better word, of a pedophile ring for the ongoing 'use' (ugh) of that pedophile ring? That situation seems very unlikely and quite bizarre. A statistical anomaly, frankly.




But just playing devils advocate, if WT was a deliberate target based on business interests of the father/parents (and I do not think that this is the case - not based on the facts released to date, anyway) why no ransom demand? Children of businesspeople have been kidnapped in the past but usually accompanied by some kind of demand. Doesn't seem like it fits what we know so far. But then the facts are constantly changing, so who knows.

Here's a variation on the scenario. Maybe BS drove one of the 3 cars that were seen, arrived to deliver the part, saw WT then phoned his associates who scoped it out and then one of them took WT. In that way, it would be opportunistic because they hadn't planned to specifically abduct WT, but any young boy. It's still an unlikely crime but that seems to be what detectives are looking at.

I remember police seized 3 cars from BS and returned 2 fairly quickly, but it's a mystery what happened to the third. We know the van was returned, at least.

 

[frogwell]

Thank you for this Manny. This has now led me to find where it was being discussed here so I'm reading up on it now.


The pic of the lounge is still on the internet though. It looks to me like the person was ready for moving out. Or just moved in? Don't know...

But that was the house the cars were parked outside I think. Maybe the cars belonged to someone viewing that house?

That house was not for sale the day WT went missing. Would someone please steer me to the thread about real estate for 35 and 48 Benaroon drive. Searching furiously but can't find it, or please confirm if they irrefutably know if 48 was on the market, even under contract the day WT went missing, as that information is not accessible now and very pertinent to these 2 vehicles. IMO

 

[crabstick]

If someone didnt need police scrutiny they might have done the bolt.
The house went up for sale after WT went missing?

That house was not for sale the day WT went missing. Would someone please steer me to the thread about real estate for 35 and 48 Benaroon drive. Searching furiously but can't find it, or please confirm if they irrefutably know if 48 was on the market, even under contract the day WT went missing, as that information is not accessible now and very pertinent to these 2 vehicles. IMO

 

[Abstar80]

If you have a look at
http://www.onthehouse.com.au/reports/property_profile/4098058/35_Benaroon_Drive_KENDALL_NSW_2439/

It shows when properties were listed for sale or removed from sale etc.