Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #15

[sosocurious]

William's daycare would have been advised if any days would be absent. :thinking:

Yes TYG - I wonder if he attended everyday or just a couple of days a week?

 

[Bohemian]

Jones and BS have been accused (and charged) for previous child molestation that involved children known to them. This would be a huge leap for them to abduct a child in such a high risk situation. Three year olds are generally very well supervised and it would be a very lucky opportunity for a child of that age to be within snatching distance. They could not have anticipated this IMO. No, there is something else going on here. There is an extra something that we are not seeing or imagining.

IMO either William's disappearance is a rare opportunistic abduction (echoing DI Jubelin's stated theory) or it is the result of a person who has come into contact (however briefly) with William at his Grandmother's home in the past, fantasised about him and then acted impulsively when William was out of his FM's sight and the opportunity presented itself.

As for the drivers/passengers of the cars seen in Benaroon Drive: again, as DI Jubelin has stated; there is no reason for them not to come forward. Honestly, I almost feel as if those people are bordering on obstructing police.

I can't imagine what could be more important than the wellbeing of a child and his family? Not one's reputation, not the consequences of an unrelated illegal activity, nothing but one's guilt, and/or cowardly attitude toward taking responsibility for one's wrongdoing.

 

[Makara]

What about the lot 43 for sale? Could there be someone inspecting that lot?

That's possible Imagining. There could be any number of reasons why those two cars were parked in Benaroon Drive that morning. The thing is, the owner's of those cars have not come forward to explain why there were there.

 

[Manny83]

Yes TYG - I wonder if he attended everyday or just a couple of days a week?

Do we know what fm does?

 

[louisepiglet]

I am thinking now that maybe William was abducted by someone he knew and would have gone to willingly without fear. I am not saying bio family because they would not be aware he was going to gm house. It has been said by his foster mother that he would be hesitant to venture very far by himself. If someone he knew and was comfortable with called to him from a car he would probably go to them willingly and quietly.

 

[Makara]

Do we know what fm does?

Leave it alone please.

 

[Imagining]

The problem I am having with the planned abduction is that they had no idea if William and his sister would play outside, or if the mother and grandmother would be outside or be able to see them. Although it is a quiet street there was still neighbours who could have looked out the window or come outside at the right time. There was someone mowing. If the second car was to follow Dad, how did they know he would be going out. There is just something not right with the whole scenerio.

I totally understand what you are saying. I also have a lot questions of how did the perpetrator(s) know this and that? Was is pure chance?

 

[sosocurious]

Thanks Soso. I'm taking this resident to be someone other than Mrs. Wilson who has stated that she left her home 90 minutes before William disappeared. That would be at about 9:00am if William disappeared at 10:30am.

I still think that the reported time of William's disappearance could be out slightly. What felt like five minutes to William's mother may have in fact been 10 minutes or longer. The poor woman's mind would have been racing when she realised he was gone. Time would not only have blurred but would have stopped completely. I believe that William was well and truly gone from Benaroon Drive by 10:30am.

Yes - 10:15 to 10:25 I mean running around circles looking for your son...the time would not be your first concern would it. imo

I just lost track of time trying to post this message...darn computer.

 

[louisepiglet]

IMO either William's disappearance is a rare opportunistic abduction (echoing DI Jubelin's stated theory) or it is the result of a person who has come into contact (however briefly) with William at his Grandmother's home in the past, fantasised about him and then acted impulsively when William was out of his FM's sight and the opportunity presented itself.

As for the drivers/passengers of the cars seen in Benaroon Drive: again, as DI Jubelin has stated; there is no reason for them not to come forward. Honestly, I almost feel as if those people are bordering on obstructing police.

I can't imagine what could be more important than the wellbeing of a child and his family? Not one's reputation, not the consequences of an unrelated illegal activity, nothing but one's guilt, and/or cowardly attitude toward taking responsibility for one's wrongdoing.

BBM.
It didn't have to be someone that saw him at gm's house, it could have been someone who knew him from anywhere and knew where he was going to be that day.

 

[Manny83]

I wonder if BS deleted his call log because he made or received a call from another poi who may have been watching the house?

 

[sosocurious]

I wonder if BS deleted his call log because he made or received a call from another poi who may have been watching the house?

Those arrests just after William disappeared. I would say their phone records have been checked and checked again. imo

 

[JLZ]

One car may have belonged to the 'spotter', who happened to see the children, and summoned the other car which came with provisions for restraint and the getaway. Plenty of petrol and so on so he wouldn't need to stop within a good distance.

 

[louisepiglet]

I wonder if BS deleted his call log because he made or received a call from another poi who may have been watching the house?

Or he received a phone call to say it was done.

 

[Bohemian]

BBM.
It didn't have to be someone that saw him at gm's house, it could have been someone who knew him from anywhere and knew where he was going to be that day.

True, louisepiglet, but what a h*ll of a feat to pull off given the logistics. I just think that somehow, through no fault of William's family, William's visit to his Grandmother's home was the catalyst for his abduction. In other words, I don't think it was premeditated, or even planned just; tragically, 'evil meeting innocence' and taking advantage of the situation as it always does.

 

[crabstick]

Police would have gone over BS phone records with a fine tooth comb. Pointless exercise deleting phone logs etc.

Or he received a phone call to say it was done.

 

[sosocurious]

The three-kilometre walk from Kew to the Kendall Showground was a sea of blue and red, the colours of the Spider-Man outfit William was wearing when he disappeared. People waved balloons, children wore superhero outfits and the local school choir sang Bring Him Home from Les Miserables.

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[they'll get you]

What about the lot 43 for sale? Could there be someone inspecting that lot?

I feel the cars were parked too far from the vacant block and that block was listed by a few agents.
Being a woman, I would not go through dense scrub and I wouldn't really meet them at the property. I would email the address with a plan of the vacant block and tell them to have 'drive by' and take a look. Only if it was a home and they were cashed up I would show them the property for security reasons I would definitely have all ID before I put the keys in the door.

Do you think it is possible that the reference to the 2 cars is to possible point the finger in certain directions and the mention of them (present ever or not) is simply to send a message?
I am ignorant when it comes to necessity of reporting or recalling fact/ speaking truths when it comes to tv programs and interviews

Crossing 'T's and dotting 'I's.? I've noticed in some cases the police take the heat off the suspect so sometimes they relax and do stupid things and get cocky like putting out a halfarsed statement like BS has done or look at that drongo Tostee and his foolish cockyness. Same as Baden-Clay and Gitany I started thinking maybe it wasn't them, that's why we are just sleuths and the cops are the professionals.
Just my motherly feelings speaking.

I trust our cops but they do make mistakes and can drop the ball. That's why I think Jubelin is at the helm. I really hope they find William, either way.

Cowan nearly got away because a lazy fool cop.

 

[they'll get you]

BBM.
It didn't have to be someone that saw him at gm's house, it could have been someone who knew him from anywhere and knew where he was going to be that day.

Six degrees of separation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation

 

[louisepiglet]

Six degrees of separation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation

So true. It is amazing who has connections with who. I hope LE has investigated who is connected with who.

 

[crabstick]

You would think anyone in the Kendall region would have scene the car footage. You would have to be pretty switched off to not notice the tv footage requesting people come forward. Especially with the threat of police, you not coming forward.
That would be embarrassing for the vehicle owners that they haven't come forward. Its going to bring you under some intense scrutiny by police the longer you wait.

The cemetery access looks like an easy get away, not to mention state forest. Lots of vehicle access out back by bush walkers etc. Not seen on quiet roads in leaving.

I feel the cars were parked too far from the vacant block and that block was listed by a few agents.
Being a woman, I would not go through dense scrub and I wouldn't really meet them at the property. I would email the address with a plan of the vacant block and tell them to have 'drive by' and take a look. Only if it was a home and they were cashed up I would show them the property for security reasons I would definitely have all ID before I put the keys in the door.