Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #15

[crabstick]

They would have to know William went to grandmas house. Police would have interviewed everyone who had knowledge of William going to grandmas, and whether they had told someone they were going to grandmas.

How many people would have been told William was going to grandmas, and who would be there? The police would have checked out the vine of communication within 12 month anniversary. There is the potential for being recognised in a car etc and six degrees of separation for someone knowing whose cars they are.

An associate of an associate. That is a very large chain of links for child abduction.

The vehicle will more than likely have no distinctive markings, no dents, no rust, no stickers. They will be the most common colours such as white or grey. Possibly have stolen number plates.

Quote Originally Posted by EllaN View Post
Yes the bio parents have been cleared, but I bet their acquaintances haven't. Someone said six degrees of separation, which is probably true, there is a lot more to it than meets the eye. NSW police would know , they are just releasing certain information to find the missing pieces of the puzzles and how it all fits in.

Yes yes yes. The parents have been cleared for the abduction but people know people who know people who know people. They cannot have possibly cleared everyone connected. Impossible.

All these people knew William had gone to grandmas for the day? That is odd.

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[louisepiglet]

from: "Forensic profiler paints picture of William Tyrrell's kidnapper" Sunday, 13 September 2015

“So if no-one but William’s parents and grandmother knew in advance of his visit to Kendall, then you would have to have some other reason to be there and take that opportunity; either visiting, residing or working in the vicinity."

Or dressed as if working.

Bold by me.

I dont accept that NO-ONE knew about the visit to gm house and the timing. Others had to know. Neighbours in Sydney, day care staff, all sorts of people.

 

[louisepiglet]

They would have to know William went to grandmas house. Police would have interviewed everyone who had knowledge of William going to grandmas, and whether they had told someone they were going to grandmas.

How many people would have been told William was going to grandmas, and who would be there? The police would have checked out the vine of communication within 12 month anniversary. There is the potential for being recognised in a car etc and six degrees of separation for someone knowing whose cars they are.

An associate of an associate. That is a very large chain of links for child abduction.

The vehicle will more than likely have no distinctive markings, no dents, no rust, no stickers. They will be the most common colours such as white or grey. Possibly have stolen number plates.




All these people knew William had gone to grandmas for the day? That is odd.

What I am saying is that perhaps someone who had a connection to William and his foster family may have had a connection to someone else who had a different connection to William. A connection that was perhaps unknown or hidden from William's foster family. I think when this all comes out we are going to be very surprised at the connections.

 

[crabstick]

Someone said Parents visited McDonalds prior to arriving at grandmas? Is this true? I do wonder whether they may have been followed by someone at McDonalds, maybe stalking in the carpark, after seeing William at a possible Maccas playground etc? It is a place of high child density that someone could have taken the planned opportunity to follow back to grandmas.

Otherwise someone would have to know prior William was going to grandmas for certain that morning, and they would have to know where grandma lived exactly. They would have to then wait for the exact opportune moment William went to the end of the drive. They would have to sit there and wait for the opportunity after knowing Williams movements.

Daycare or one work colleague might know my children are going to grandmas, but they don't know where she lives. And they didnt know dad would be there and go out that day to have a skype meeting.

They would have to wait for the ducks to line up. Know William to grandmas, know dad had gone in town to Skype, no one looking on the road, William at the end of the drive to be taken.

Grandmas street is a prime abduction spot. But its not high traffic for someone to be driving past opportunely at snatching a child from the end a drive. Daniel Morcombe was at a bus stop with a much higher through traffic rate, maybe 1000 times more through traffic. On a bus route.

The quilt connection?

What I am saying is that perhaps someone who had a connection to William and his foster family may have had a connection to someone else who had a different connection to William. A connection that was perhaps unknown or hidden from William's foster family. I think when this all comes out we are going to be very surprised at the connections.

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[sosocurious]

BS has not said that he was not IN the house.

On the contrary he has strongly implied that he WAS IN the house.

“I have not been in the Tyrrell house or to the Tyrrell house or to the street before, between or after these dates. The media have reported that I was supposed to attend the Tyrrell house on the 12th of September 2014, this being the day of William’s disappearance.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/n...-1227520959271

Yes I stand corrected JLZ. It does imply he has been in the house.

 

[bearbear]

Planned or unplanned, no one would know William would be at the bottom of the drive. Someone watched and waited for the perfect opportune moment. Cars across the road with windows down. Open fences across properties to see into the backyard.
Low density housing with many views from house to street hidden by scrub. During a work day when everyone is at work. When dad would go to work.

http://s1.postimg.org/ji7k0hgnz/tyrell_close.jpg
Google Earth snap feature

ive often wondered about any dubious neighbour, lurking in the bushes, enjoying watching the children play, easy to grab a little boy from there, one neighbour was away.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Yes, or from a house across the road too, perhaps?

ive often wondered about any dubious neighbour, lurking in the bushes, enjoying watching the children play, easy to grab a little boy from there, one neighbour was away.

 

[bearbear]

[h=1]William Tyrrell: Forensic profiler reveals details about three-year-old's suspected kidnapper[/h]She said that if no-one but the child's parents and grandmother knew about the visit, then the kidnapper would have had to have another reason to be there &#8212; either visiting, living or working in the area.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...t-suspected-william-tyrrell-kidnapper/6771350

i thought it was established awhile ago williams gm had told bs about her family visiting, so if poi bs is guilty he has 2 reasons to be there...working and william

 

[louisepiglet]

Someone said Parents visited McDonalds prior to arriving at grandmas? Is this true? I do wonder whether they may have been followed by someone at McDonalds, maybe stalking in the carpark, after seeing William at a possible Maccas playground etc? It is a place of high child density that someone could have taken the planned opportunity to follow back to grandmas.

Otherwise someone would have to know prior William was going to grandmas for certain that morning, and they would have to know where grandma lived exactly. They would have to then wait for the exact opportune moment William went to the end of the drive. They would have to sit there and wait for the opportunity after knowing Williams movements.

Daycare or one work colleague might know my children are going to grandmas, but they don't know where she lives. And they didnt know dad would be there and go out that day to have a skype meeting.

They would have to wait for the ducks to line up. Know William to grandmas, know dad had gone in town to Skype, no one looking on the road, William at the end of the drive to be taken.

Grandmas street is a prime abduction spot. But its not high traffic for someone to be driving past opportunely at snatching a child from the end a drive. Daniel Morcombe was at a bus stop with a much higher through traffic rate, maybe 1000 times more through traffic. On a bus route.

The quilt connection?



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But what if someone from, for example daycare or a work colleague, had a connection to someone who knew where GMs house was and had been waiting for an opportunity to take William. I am probably not making myself very clear. One person may not know where GM lived but they may know someone who does.
Also in regards to the cars, I have been wondering if there is bushland around or near GMs house. We back onto bushland and there are people who have clandestine marijuana plants growing in the bush and make trips into the bush to maintain them. They probably would not be keen to come forward.

 

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[they'll get you]

[h=1]William Tyrrell: Forensic profiler reveals details about three-year-old's suspected kidnapper[/h]She said that if no-one but the child's parents and grandmother knew about the visit, then the kidnapper would have had to have another reason to be there — either visiting, living or working in the area.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-...t-suspected-william-tyrrell-kidnapper/6771350

i thought it was established awhile ago williams gm had told bs about her family visiting, so if poi bs is guilty he has 2 reasons to be there...working and william

RBBM

Who needed to be in the area.

I know we've been through this long ago but who needed to be in the area?
1) There is two types of AustPost posties, the guy on the motorbike and the small parcels delivery in a small van. They both undergo police checks due to theft but that's all. If the parcel needs a signature there is to be a knock at the door & a card left for pick up at the Postoffice. He could have heard noise out the back and attempted delivery and saw William.
2) I noticed mounds of leaves and bark on the lower driveway and during the search the lawn was short. GM was recovering from an operation so I wonder who was managing the lawns, garden and hedge. In September the grass is growing & 1 acre is a big job picking up the fallen branches before mowing. Most properties there are approx 1 acre so a reliable lawn maintenance man would be busy and would hire help.

The two cars could be letterbox deliverers as they park and do a route on foot.

Jehovah's Witnesses?

I'm sure our wonderful boyz in blue have covered this but who knows how we can help. :thinking:

 

[they'll get you]

I'm in a similar rural area and we had our lawns sprayed for bindii today so I'm wondering if being September that was happening around this time last year.

 

[curious one]

RBBM

Who needed to be in the area.

And where do they park?

I'm on an acre block and people rarely park on the road. Those that park on the road tend to be visiting numerous houses, or there is a party going on.

Tradies drive into our driveway, as does the parcel delivery guys.

Door knockers (mostly bible bashers) will park out on the street, and the meter readers. Or catalogue delivery people.

Child Health nurse parked on our street and not our driveway - that was weird and usual, as we were expecting her.

 

[tracecomp]

IMO I cant help feeling that William was not the only target in this case. With the POI and others associated with him especially liking little girls around that age I wonder if both children were in danger that morning.

From what I remember the children were playing, chasing one another. William was running around the house then being followed by his sister. What if William was snatched first - with the expectation that his sister would be coming around the corner soon after then she would be taken as well.

I mean if you were going to commit this very risky crime as part of a pedo ring and kidnap being relatively rare in Aus the "ring" may have risked this for two children. The fact that the sister needed to go to the toilet may have saved her life.

Thinking that "they" may have targeted the two children makes things feel a bit different about this case. We are all so focused on William being taken (as we should be), but his sister could have been a target as well. Does thinking that both children could have been taken change or challenge anybody else's thoughts?

 

[butterstick]

Who needed to be in the area.

One obvious thing to me is that there was land for sale, right where the cars were parked.

Seems like a good reason for cars to visit a dead-end street.

 

[Bohemian]

RBBM

Who needed to be in the area.

I know we've been through this long ago but who needed to be in the area?
1) There is two types of AustPost posties, the guy on the motorbike and the small parcels delivery in a small van. They both undergo police checks due to theft but that's all. If the parcel needs a signature there is to be a knock at the door & a card left for pick up at the Postoffice. He could have heard noise out the back and attempted delivery and saw William.
2) I noticed mounds of leaves and bark on the lower driveway and during the search the lawn was short. GM was recovering from an operation so I wonder who was managing the lawns, garden and hedge. In September the grass is growing & 1 acre is a big job picking up the fallen branches before mowing. Most properties there are approx 1 acre so a reliable lawn maintenance man would be busy and would hire help.

The two cars could be letterbox deliverers as they park and do a route on foot.

Jehovah's Witnesses?

I'm sure our wonderful boyz in blue have covered this but who knows how we can help. :thinking:

All legitimate reasons to be in a residential street. Also, given the location, someone such as a council ranger/worker or NSW Parks Service ranger. Wearing a uniform, driving a 4WD with lights not unlike police car/fire vehicle, which could be attractive to a small boy. Would know the area intimately, especially unsealed short cuts. I don't like to think this way as I know the majority of people in those roles do so much good but, sadly, others do the same as it gives them 'opportunity' and 'cover'. Think Rural Fire Services volunteers who have committed arson.

 

[curious one]

I've always believed this article was written with a purpose. The police would have known a lot by then (including the information about the cars).

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...064608526?sv=625ffbcecbc1a0de87b17eff75e8197c

 

[louisepiglet]

We all have been of the opinion that the owners of the cars would be aware that police wanted to talk to them but after discussing this case this afternoon with my hubby I have now changed my mind. He had absolutely no idea that there was a search on for the owners of two cars that were parked there. The more I think about it there would be quite a lot of people who have not heard/have no interest in this case. Teenage drivers probably would not have much interest in the news.

 

[crabstick]

If people who own the cars make certain movements, or don't come to police when they know. They will be seen as culpable.

I've always believed this article was written with a purpose. The police would have known a lot by then (including the information about the cars).

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...064608526?sv=625ffbcecbc1a0de87b17eff75e8197c

I want to know who uses the tracks behind, bordering the properties, accessed by the cemetery

ive often wondered about any dubious neighbour, lurking in the bushes, enjoying watching the children play, easy to grab a little boy from there, one neighbour was away.