Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #16

[frogwell]

It's funny cause as I was typing my post I kept thinking of the skin in this game quote.
The NSW liberal govt, the police, MSM, The family of WT and BS and all his family have skin in this game. Now, also Bravehearts and some federal politicians.

I agree about the media not being too bothered about being sued. I think they could stand the financial loss.

 

[frogwell]

Exactly, if his alibi had checked out, and there was no confusion whether he was or wasn't expected at the house that day, no way would the police be so convinced he is involved, it was such an easy alibi to prove, all those people sitting in the assembly, mingling before and afterwards, not a soul appeared to remember him, as someone said he is either the luckiest or the unluckiest guy in Australia.

Well somebody has to be.:drumroll:

 

[Eloise]

I do have a gut reaction though when the federal member for Lyne is described as the Tyrell's local MP. It isn't true and most of us know that, however it is being reported as a fact. Why couldn't their own federal member have joined the campaign or have him described as the federal member who oversees the community of Kendall? This article is the last staw for me of the last few weeks of stories reporting on this case. Unforunately I see biased representation in the media and by the govt. to push a very particular line in this investigation.

I agree with your gripe about things like this. it's not like the media haven't reported in the past that WT's parents are from Sydney. "Leafy Killara", according to the Australian, IIRC.

when I see what I know is false information (whether it be false deliberately or through negligence or disinterest from the journalist) I feel doubtful about all reporting.

 

[Karo]

It was several months before they asked for his alibi wasn't it? what coffee shop owner would recall a casual coffee purchase?
If he attended most school awards days, what parent would remember if he was there that particular day?
I have attended many but I couldn't tell you for certain if another parent, even one I knew well, was there on any particular day unless I was asked within 2 weeks or 2 assemblies even.

My theory as to why BS is still a POI, his alibi doesn't check out. The LE must have some doubts as to the validity of his alibi or he would have been cleared straight away. He's used public areas to explain where he was. Surely if he was in town, in the cafe or at the school presentation ONE independent person could verify that. Could the child who was getting the award not say "yeah, bill was there"?

Secondly BS is a repairman. His mobile phone is going to be permanently switched on and by his side so he can earn money. What if the police have checked out his phone pings and instead of the pinging at Laurieton where he should be they ping somewhere else, say Kendall?

 

[Eloise]

Dunno Karo - weren't they taking statements from BS actually quite early in the investigation?

 

[purpleandgreen]

It was several months before they asked for his alibi wasn't it? what coffee shop owner would recall a casual coffee purchase?
If he attended most school awards days, what parent would remember if he was there that particular day?
I have attended many but I couldn't tell you for certain if another parent, even one I knew well, was there on any particular day unless I was asked within 2 weeks or 2 assemblies even.

The kids' teachers would notice. They notice things like that.

If he paid for the coffee by credit card and Colin purports to have a copy of the receipt, the coffee shop owner would be able to check it against his records.

There has to be CCTV around there somewhere, to either prove or disprove this.

 

[sosocurious]

I think I am going to get yelled at for this, however, I found the article yesterday for launching the Bravehearts campaign resulted in me having a lot of mixed feelings.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...h-for-missing-toddler-20150917-gjorkf.html#ix

On one hand, I understand that the FP's are bound by NSW laws and that makes me furious for all family members involved that they cannot fully express themselves to the public. The idea that anyones's guardianship of other children may be jeopardised if they speak out in these extreme circumstances, quite deeply disgusts me. So federal politicians throw their weight behind the campaign. I don't believe they would do this unless the police pretty much guaranteed to them that they have no doubts in their mind about the FP's. I do have a gut reaction though when the federal member for Lyne is described as the Tyrell's local MP. It isn't true and most of us know that, however it is being reported as a fact. Why couldn't their own federal member have joined the campaign or have him described as the federal member who oversees the community of Kendall? This article is the last staw for me of the last few weeks of stories reporting on this case. Unforunately I see biased representation in the media and by the govt. to push a very particular line in this investigation. I'm not saying I think any particular party is responible for WT's disappearance. I'm saying, that when the skills of the media are applied to a situation and you can see that for whatever reason, are not able to report the full story, or just let the plain facts speak for themselves, it raises questions. The questions it raises for me unfortunately make me feel suspicious as I wonder at all parties integrity in this situation. To me , there isn't just a missing persons case being reported on but a strong PR campaign being run as well. Well, I know this isn't therapy, but this case really bugs me, it's so emotional. We all want WT to be found or know what has become of him, however there is no denying to me that during this investigation there are more unacknowledged victims in this case. IMO

IMO - frogwell it seems to be that the reference to Williams family as the Tyrrell family has just evolved during the course of the investigation.
BS himself in his facebook post referred to them as the Tyrrell family.
It makes sense to me that the member for Lyne would speak on the families behalf and support the campaign.
William was abducted from this his electorate.
Not that of where William resided, maybe that member was at the function as well

 

[bearbear]

maybe police do have enough evidence to make an arrest but waiting to be led to william first, if there is a chance of rescuing him, watching, waiting and because bs is a person of interest who now has bail conditions to abide by, he cant leave town

 

[Deleted member 102539]

O/T

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/police-search-boy-5-missing-bush-rainbow-beach/2777921/#/0

A BOY who has been the subject of a massive land and air search at Wallu, near Tin Can Bay, has just been found safe and well, delighted police confirm.

"Literally only seconds ago," a police officer confirmed.

The boy is believed to have turned up at home after spending the day with his dogs in an area of bush at the rear of his parent's home, at the corner of Tin Can Bay Rd and Rainbow Beach Rd.

Totally oblivious to the increasingly desperate search effort underway by police and volunteers on foot, horseback, motorcycles and helicopters, the boy and his two canine companions arrived at his parents' back door about 6.15pm

The boy was last seen at around 10.30am, and is believed to have followed two dogs into the bush, near his home on Rainbow Beach Road.

Police had not released the boy's name but those searching were calling out "Harley".
(My comment: For what exactly that secretiveness? IMO it doesn't really help somebody.)


This little 5yo boy came home - wonderful! But where was he -alone- between 10.30 and 6.15 (!!) and wasn't seen by helicopter teams and not found by search teams on the ground ...?

 

[bearbear]

It was several months before they asked for his alibi wasn't it? what coffee shop owner would recall a casual coffee purchase?
If he attended most school awards days, what parent would remember if he was there that particular day?
I have attended many but I couldn't tell you for certain if another parent, even one I knew well, was there on any particular day unless I was asked within 2 weeks or 2 assemblies even.

i think the coffee shop person mentioned that bs and ms were regulars there, so they knew who they were, but just hadnt seen them for awhile?

 

[Eloise]

I don't think them calling the Tyrrell family the Tyrrell family (however it's spelt) is problematic in itself. It's the only family name they have to use.

Implying he's a local seems lazy. I mean it's part of the whole thing that they were visiting from Sydney.

 

[frogwell]

IMO - frogwell it seems to be that the reference to Williams family as the Tyrrell family has just evolved during the course of the investigation.
BS himself in his facebook post referred to them as the Tyrrell family.
It makes sense to me that the member for Lyne would speak on the families behalf and support the campaign.
William was abducted from this his electorate.
Not that of where William resided, maybe that member was at the function as well

I have no problem with the FP's being called the Tyrrell's, and yes it makes sense that the member for Lyne would speak at the function, it was saying that the Tyrell's were from his electorate that irked me. If it was the ignorance of the journalist then so be it, but if it was used to further detach the Tyrrell's from where they normally reside, then I see a lot of co-operation from outside sources to assist WT's family even if it compromises the ethics of their profession. And that makes me ask questions.

 

[sosocurious]

It was several months before they asked for his alibi wasn't it? what coffee shop owner would recall a casual coffee purchase?
If he attended most school awards days, what parent would remember if he was there that particular day?
I have attended many but I couldn't tell you for certain if another parent, even one I knew well, was there on any particular day unless I was asked within 2 weeks or 2 assemblies even.

paraphrase

The name Bill Spedding popped up early in the inquiries.
He was routinely investigated - as were others that had been in contact with the family in the days leading up to Williams disappearance.
The decision was made at some point to step up the investigation and BS was interviewed.
Then came the raids of the house and business.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rs-disappearance/story-e6frg6z6-1227195227854

 

[Amee]

IN the days after little *William Tyrell went missing, there was barely a person in the Kendall area who was not spoken to by police.

There were the 21 neighbours in the exclusive estate. There were locals, shopkeepers, indeed everyone who had any contact with the boy’s family — including tradesman William Harrie Spedding, *better known as Bill.

The Homicide Squad took over the investigation and *detectives with Strike Force Rosann have been painstakingly ploughing through all those hundreds of statements as well as calls to Crime Stoppers.

Among those statements was the one from Mr Spedding. Detectives allegedly found some inconsistencies in what he told them

“What he said did not add up because people he named did not remember seeing him,” a source alleged.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r-william-tyrell/story-fni0cx12-1227195546202

 

[sosocurious]

I have no problem with the FP's being called the Tyrrell's, and yes it makes sense that the member for Lyne would speak at the function, it was saying that the Tyrell's were from his electorate that irked me. If it was the ignorance of the journalist then so be it, but if it was used to further detach the Tyrrell's from where they normally reside, then I see a lot of co-operation from outside sources to assist WT's family even if it compromises the ethics of their profession. And that makes me ask questions.

Maybe, William's sister is the primary consideration.
imo

 

[Bohemian]

"The NSW Police believe William could still be alive. That he could be anywhere and William’s family want to do everything in their power to support the wonderful work of the NSW Police and Strike Force Rosann in their search for little William."

BBM.

http://www.manningrivertimes.com.au...r-for-lyne-speaks-on-wheres-william-campaign/

Manning River Times, Sept. 18, 9.37a.m.

 

[frogwell]

Maybe, William's sister is the primary consideration.
imo

So I'm told. I believe if I comment further, it would be seen as victim bashing. I have looked at all the articles I can covering yesterdays event. Besides the SMH, the Manning river times doesn't report the Tyrrells coming from Lyne electorate nor do the other articles. I'll chalk this one up to Jane Lee of the SMH who couldn't be stuffed to do her job properly.

 

[Freddo Frog]

O/T

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/police-search-boy-5-missing-bush-rainbow-beach/2777921/#/0

A BOY who has been the subject of a massive land and air search at Wallu, near Tin Can Bay, has just been found safe and well, delighted police confirm.

"Literally only seconds ago," a police officer confirmed.

The boy is believed to have turned up at home after spending the day with his dogs in an area of bush at the rear of his parent's home, at the corner of Tin Can Bay Rd and Rainbow Beach Rd.

Totally oblivious to the increasingly desperate search effort underway by police and volunteers on foot, horseback, motorcycles and helicopters, the boy and his two canine companions arrived at his parents' back door about 6.15pm

The boy was last seen at around 10.30am, and is believed to have followed two dogs into the bush, near his home on Rainbow Beach Road.

Police had not released the boy's name but those searching were calling out "Harley".
(My comment: For what exactly that secretiveness? IMO it doesn't really help somebody.)


This little 5yo boy came home - wonderful! But where was he -alone- between 10.30 and 6.15 (!!) and wasn't seen by helicopter teams and not found by search teams on the ground ...?

BBM - The news reports that I saw this morning identified the father as he was interviewed after the boy was found. I guess at the time it was easier to focus on the boy and him being found than implying anyone else was involved (it's sad that my first thought in many missing child cases now is that a parent is responsible).

 

[Bohemian]

Chris Smith Talks to William Tyrrell’s Parents

http://www.2gb.com/article/chris-smith-talks-william-tyrrell’s-parents

 

[frogwell]

"The NSW Police believe William could still be alive. That he could be anywhere and William’s family want to do everything in their power to support the wonderful work of the NSW Police and Strike Force Rosann in their search for little William."

BBM.

http://www.manningrivertimes.com.au...r-for-lyne-speaks-on-wheres-william-campaign/

Manning River Times, Sept. 18, 9.37a.m.

Yes, the most important part of that article for me was that the police believe he could be alive.