Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #17

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My current thoughts.

Person of dubious character (AJ) parked outside a house on a day in tandem with a grey vehicle, owner of which unknown, but safe to say is an equally dubious person, if not more so.

Were they simply meeting there as it was a nice quiet street in which to do nefarious type "business", or was it pre-arranged?

If pre-arranged, by who, and how did that person know that kids would be there that day? It's a highly unlikely scenario, IMO.

If they were there purely because it was a quiet street, did one or both of them take the opportunity of grabbing a little boy who may have thought the car was his dad returned home, or were speaking to him about spiderman?

If it was opportunistic, why did they snatch a young boy? I can't see anything in AJ's former criminal history that would suggest he had leanings toward little boys, but he may have thought quick, and known someone who did. Therefore taking William purely with the intent of passing him onto someone else in the hopes of a $$ reward.

Did he have leanings toward young boys and just kept it hidden? Possible, though I thik the money scenario feels better. Howeverm the other dubious character is an unknown, and it may have been that person who had the urge to take William. In which case AJ may roll on him.

Think about it. They were both parked with windows down. One had possibly moved to the others car. They were discussing whatever deals they were making, and they could both clearly see little William, his sister and mum all outside playing. Cue mum and sister going inside, a minute or two ticks on, are you thinking what I'm thinking P1? I think I am P2, they lure William over, chuck him in the car and off they go. Or maybe one did it and the other one got the hell out PDQ.

I sincerely hope that this is the case, as that would mean since they have one of them, it will only be a matter of time before they get the other one, and some more information will spring to light. Which is why it has been stressed "somebody knows something." Like the current whereabouts of William, or at least the conclusive tale of what really happened, who it was in both the cars that day, who took him, why etc.

If is was more orchestrated than that, then it could be a deeper web where the truth is harder to get to.
Maybe police are hoping for a jailhouse confession from him, which happened in the Louise Bell case with the perpetrator, Pfennig.

I do think the cops are at least 2 steps ahead of us, if not more, and when they have released information, they already know what's what. They have said from the beginning it was purely opportunistic. They knew about the cars from the outset.

I think if two men were waiting around with the sole purpose to snatch a child they knew was at the property, then there would only be one car at most, and the windows would have been wound up. The car/s would also have spent far less time in the street.
 
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Stealing hey? well I wonder if that means burglary? And once again if it does....where does one sell one's stolen items? Back to my theory (the 'far-fetched one') that they were waiting to burgle a house (possibly grandmas but maybe another house) and a little spiderman appeared. Two worlds colliding.
In the past could have possibly sold stolen items at a pawn shop? One that a buddy used to own? Just thinking out loud.

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  • #344
Stealing hey? well I wonder if that means burglary? And once again if it does....where does one sell one's stolen items? Back to my theory (the 'far-fetched one') that they were waiting to burgle a house (possibly grandmas but maybe another house) and a little spiderman appeared. Two worlds colliding.

Yes, I wondered if that might be a connection between AJ and BS. If AJ was not responsible for mini-Spiderman's disappearance, maybe whomsoever was in the grey/green or grey sedan(s) seen by FM when they did a u-turn (reconn prior to break, enter and steal?) and; later parked, was? Somebody up there knows something and Jubelin's web is getting stickier. As for BS, who knows what he did/knows in relation to William's disappearance; maybe nothing at all. The historical child sexual assault charges are quite a different matter. But, IMHO, "If you lie down with dogs; you get up with fleas."
 
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If it was opportunistic, why did they snatch a young boy? I can't see anything in AJ's former criminal history that would suggest he had leanings toward little boys, but he may have thought quick, and known someone who did. Therefore taking William purely with the intent of passing him onto someone else in the hopes of a $$ reward.

Did he have leanings toward young boys and just kept it hidden? Possible, though I thik the money scenario feels better. Howeverm the other dubious character is an unknown, and it may have been that person who had the urge to take William.

i think potentially he was up to no good of some kind - his record would indicate just about anything is a possibility there as to what kind of no good - saw WT waiting for his Dad in the driveway and just snatched him up because he could. quite possibly he knows someone who prefers boys or maybe he wasn't against the idea himself once the opportunity was there.

So so where does that leave BS in that scenario? Is he involved at all?
 
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AJ was arrested soon after William went missing correct? And he has been in jail all of this time? So he didn't have much time to cover his tracks (if guilty). Wondering if his home has been searched yet.

I also wonder if his DNA was/will be found on the mattress in BS's office.

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That is known!?!
As usual the perp's priors are withheld from the court/jury and media/public.

IMO WRONG

yes, it is although there are people in the legal and LE professions out there agitating for that to change. Things change slowly in the law.
 
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i think potentially he was up to no good of some kind - his record would indicate just about anything is a possibility there as to what kind of no good - saw WT waiting for his Dad in the driveway and just snatched him up because he could. quite possibly he knows someone who prefers boys or maybe he wasn't against the idea himself once the opportunity was there.

So so where does that leave BS in that scenario? Is he involved at all?

quoting myself to say I think BS is probably involved generally e.g. As an accessory or something (which is why his properties were raided) ... I'm just not seeing how he was involved in the abduction anymore. Which could explain why he said confidently that he didn't hurt WT. (he just helped ppl who did...?)
 
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My current thoughts.

Person of dubious character (AJ) parked outside a house on a day in tandem with a grey vehicle, owner of which unknown, but safe to say is an equally dubious person, if not more so.

Were they simply meeting there as it was a nice quiet street in which to do nefarious type "business", or was it pre-arranged?

If pre-arranged, by who, and how did that person know that kids would be there that day? It's a highly unlikely scenario, IMO.

If they were there purely because it was a quiet street, did one or both of them take the opportunity of grabbing a little boy who may have thought the car was his dad returned home, or were speaking to him about spiderman?

If it was opportunistic, why did they snatch a young boy? I can't see anything in AJ's former criminal history that would suggest he had leanings toward little boys, but he may have thought quick, and known someone who did. Therefore taking William purely with the intent of passing him onto someone else in the hopes of a $$ reward.

Did he have leanings toward young boys and just kept it hidden? Possible, though I thik the money scenario feels better. Howeverm the other dubious character is an unknown, and it may have been that person who had the urge to take William. In which case AJ may roll on him.

Think about it. They were both parked with windows down. One had possibly moved to the others car. They were discussing whatever deals they were making, and they could both clearly see little William, his sister and mum all outside playing. Cue mum and sister going inside, a minute or two ticks on, are you thinking what I'm thinking P1? I think I am P2, they lure William over, chuck him in the car and off they go. Or maybe one did it and the other one got the hell out PDQ.

I sincerely hope that this is the case, as that would mean since they have one of them, it will only be a matter of time before they get the other one, and some more information will spring to light. Which is why it has been stressed "somebody knows something." Like the current whereabouts of William, or at least the conclusive tale of what really happened, who it was in both the cars that day, who took him, why etc.

If is was more orchestrated than that, then it could be a deeper web where the truth is harder to get to.
Maybe police are hoping for a jailhouse confession from him, which happened in the Louise Bell case with the perpetrator, Pfennig.

I do think the cops are at least 2 steps ahead of us, if not more, and when they have released information, they already know what's what. They have said from the beginning it was purely opportunistic. They knew about the cars from the outset.

I think if two men were waiting around with the sole purpose to snatch a child they knew was at the property, then there would only be one car at most, and the windows would have been wound up. The car/s would also have spent far less time in the street.

God, I think our mini-Spiderman might have stumbled upon some 'baddies' while lacking any real-life superpowers.

Sons of b*tches.
 
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quoting myself to say I think BS is probably involved generally e.g. As an accessory or something (which is why his properties were raided) ... I'm just not seeing how he was involved in the abduction anymore. Which could explain why he said confidently that he didn't hurt WT. (he just helped ppl who did...?)

If anything he gathered information IMO. Think about it; nice old tradie comes to your home and looks at appliance. Cuppa and chit-chat ensue where you are lulled into a false sense of security and give away more details about your life/day-to-day movements than you would give to a stranger (who this guy really is). Tradie says, "I have to get a part, I'll call you when it comes in to organise to come back." You reply, "Well, I'll be home/out on such-and-such a day(s)." Snap!

Information gleaned from client by tradie is passed on (for cash/other favours) to 'associates' and tradie walks way with no suspicion (he was such a nice guy/did a good job/will use him again/pass his details onto friends, etc,) and, hence, no real connection to subsequent crimes...except THIS time when it all goes to cr*p. Enter Jubelin and his extensive knowledge of tradie's 'former life' and 'associates' (Hillsley, et al). Sorry, but BS must've pooped his pants when Jubey came a-knockin'.
 
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I thought of that but I'm not sure. I agree with whoever unthread said the two cars and open windows doesn't really seem like people waiting there to abduct a kid. Plus how would they even have known the kids would be outside at that time?

i dismissed in a much earlier thread the idea that they might have actually been there for another reason but given AJs priors I think it's plausible he was checking out the situation on the street for burglary.
 
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If anything he gathered information IMO. Think about it; nice old tradie comes to your home and looks at appliance. Cuppa and chit-chat ensue where you are lulled into a false sense of security and give away more details about your life/day-to-day movements than you would give to a stranger (who this guy really is). Tradie says, "I have to get a part, I'll call you when it comes in to organise to come back." Client replies, "Well, I'll be home/out on such-and-such a day(s)." Snap!

Yep. Knows your house, knows when you will and wont be home. Oh and just so happens to own a pawn shop. You would meet some nice types in that line of business wouldnt you?
 
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Yep. Knows your house, knows when you will and wont be home. Oh and just so happens to own a pawn shop.

Was editing when you posted. Go back and read my post again.
 
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Ya Bohemian exactly. I definitely think the main purpose of their alliance was probably theft and pawn related. That street too, with empty and for-sale homes, it would have seemed a safe bet I reckon

ps this is why I never tell tradies a damn thing about when I won't be home. I never give that as a reason why a day will or won't suit me.
 
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Ya Bohemian exactly. I definitely think the main purpose of their alliance was probably theft and pawn related. That street too, with empty and for-sale homes, it would have seemed a safe bet I reckon

ps this is why I never tell tradies a damn thing about when I won't be home. I never give that as a reason why a day will or won't suit me.

I concur. IMO most burglaries are done by 'friends of friends' or 'associates of acquaintances', if you will. There's usually at least one degree of separation, if not more. Usually, someone lets slip something accidentally, and/or passes on information intentionally. It's the oldest trick in the book.

When I worked for DoD, we had a saying; "Loose lips sink ships". Never a truer word spoken. Also; "All eyes and ears." In other words, stop gibbering on and be aware of people and your surroundings.
 
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If you wanted to steal/abduct something/someone and didnt know where to start you might possibly contact a friend of a friend who has a criminal background. If you knew the item you wanted was going to be at a certain place at a certain time and you knew of a criminal who was also in this area you might contact them. Facebook friends lists are very enlightening.
 
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Hello everyone! Coming out of lurkdom land and into the forum which IMO is the most sane place out there from what i've seen.
I've also been scouring crackbook (my affectionate term for FB) in regard to Williams case as he looks so much like my little one and it has pulled on my heart strings in a massive way...I'm sure you can all relate.

Anyhow there are a few things that i'd like an explanation on and I hope someone on here can clarify for me...

Over 2 months ago now there was a "FaceTime" photo circulating on all the relevant WT pages of William that was apparently taken 4 months after his disappearance. It circulated for 2 days and was then pulled off social media in a puff of smoke, it was on google images for a little time, but then that disappeared too. Then lo and behold the picture came up on 60 mins which on the wall behind Jubelin in the investigation room.

So does anyone know about this particular FaceTime photo I'm talking about? I can't provide the link because they were all wiped including talk about it...I really can't shake the feeling that this was indeed planned but don't think that this has anything to do with a paedophile ring or the like. I do think that AJ was involved and his friends list leads to something close to home if you get my drift.
I won't bring it up here as I have read the rules, but that particular bit of info was passed onto crime stoppers which I hope can connect the dots.

Either way, I'm looking forward to this case being wrapped up soon because it has been draining me in a big way...I just hope and pray that this little boy can be back with his loved ones, that would really make my year!

Thanks in advance
 
  • #359
An Open Letter to mini-Spiderman's Abductor/Accomplice,

If you've done anything to fatally injure William; be afraid, be very afraid. If not; give him back, and give him back now!

The web is closing and if DI Jubelin and his team don't know who you are yet; they soon will, in my opinion.

I pretty much think this is your last chance. Do yourself, and William and his family, a favour and do the right thing. The longer it takes to find him, the worse it will be for you.


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  • #360
Knows that your next door neighbours are away
Always a windfalll for a pawn shop owner when people are away on holidays.
Yep. Knows your house, knows when you will and wont be home. Oh and just so happens to own a pawn shop. You would meet some nice types in that line of business wouldnt you?

If anything he gathered information IMO. Think about it; nice old tradie comes to your home and looks at appliance. Cuppa and chit-chat ensue where you are lulled into a false sense of security and give away more details about your life/day-to-day movements than you would give to a stranger (who this guy really is). Tradie says, "I have to get a part, I'll call you when it comes in to organise to come back." You reply, "Well, I'll be home/out on such-and-such a day(s)." Snap!

Information gleaned from client by tradie is passed on (for cash/other favours) to 'associates' and tradie walks way with no suspicion (he was such a nice guy/did a good job/will use him again/pass his details onto friends, etc,) and, hence, no real connection to subsequent crimes...except THIS time when it all goes to cr*p. Enter Jubelin and his extensive knowledge of tradie's 'former life' and 'associates' (Hillsley, et al). Sorry, but BS must've pooped his pants when Jubey came a-knockin'.
 
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