Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #20

[krig101]

And so she should, if he's guilty and she has protected him. That makes her just as bad.

Exactly. Remember when it was reported that MS texted one of the victims after BS was arrested? That has always had my hinky meter going.


They (police) allege his wife Margaret contacted one of the alleged victims by text shortly after he was arrested and said: “It really saddens me you’re involved in this.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/6af1e4e9dfe5cc917e88dfe3d6f66702

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[SouthAussie]

An abstract thought …. just thinking about that ‘private function’ where the FP met with the officials (as mentioned in the latest article). When did the Morcombes become involved with the FP? They tend to get things rolling with officials in high places very well. Perhaps they helped facilitate such an event, and helped to facilitate the official FB page …. to assist the FP and the intensity of the focus on the case? I know they did similar things in an advisory capacity in the case of missing Kyle Coleman.


In 2015, Bruce Morcombe spoke to the family of another missing child, William Tyrrell and warned them that psychics would descend on them with "bizarre and offbeat … distracting information". He called it distressing and said that although they received hundreds of leads telling them that there was a "shed or a water tank", none were of any help, but still couldn't be ignored in case they included a "disguised confession". Capturing data from CCTV and ATM cameras was more helpful, as once the police have a person of interest it may help disprove an alibi. Morcombe's advice was to "'remain positive, that's all you can do, the police will be working hard, they want to solve it as well"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Daniel_Morcombe

 

[Bohemian]

I don't believe that is the case with William and the sister that was fostered with him.

SouthAussie, I can't state as fact that William and his sister are anything other than biological siblings with the same parents. I was just kind of thinking out loud about the different types of sibling relationships.

That's a very good point!!!! But both being taken away makes me think they have same mom and dad. Could be wrong though.

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The point you raised is also a good one, krig. Although, if the biological mother had sole custody of maternal siblings (eg, the children had different fathers and their fathers' names weren't included on their birth certificates) and was found to be unable to care for them, I think that could happen. (Again, not stating this is the case for William and his sister - just thinking generally.)

 

[sosocurious]

Exactly. Remember when it was reported that MS texted one of the victims after BS was arrested? That has always had my hinky meter going.


They (police) allege his wife Margaret contacted one of the alleged victims by text shortly after he was arrested and said: “It really saddens me you’re involved in this.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...s/news-story/6af1e4e9dfe5cc917e88dfe3d6f66702

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Yep !! and this bit of info came up in BS court appearance.

The witness, who cannot be named, claimed Mr Spedding and another woman sexually abused children. These allegations, which were unrelated to the charges he now faces, were rejected by a judge, who said he was “reasonably satisfied” the abuse did not occur.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e/news-story/9b98d96a3dbc4a8101e74fce96668fc2

 

[krig101]

Yep !! and this bit of info came up in BS court appearance.

The witness, who cannot be named, claimed Mr Spedding and another woman sexually abused children. These allegations, which were unrelated to the charges he now faces, were rejected by a judge, who said he was “reasonably satisfied” the abuse did not occur.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e/news-story/9b98d96a3dbc4a8101e74fce96668fc2

That judge still angers me. Why was he reasonably satisfied? Because the witness acted bizarre? So if you have been exposed to and possibly been a victim of some sort of abuse yourself, had a pedophile brother and mentally affected by it you are expected to act normal?

Wish we could have heard a recording of that hearing.


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[purpleandgreen]

If I remember correctly, Jubelin didn't look too happy leaving the court either. Unfortunately, we have a lot of 'soft' magistrates in Queensland too, so soft in fact that criminals publicly say how pleased they were to have them. Don't know if BS magistrate was soft or not, but like you I'd love to hear a recording. However now that the suppression orders have been lifted, perhaps we'll hear a lot more in the future.

That judge still angers me. Why was he reasonably satisfied? Because the witness acted bizarre? So if you have been exposed to and possibly been a victim of some sort of abuse yourself, had a pedophile brother and mentally affected by it you are expected to act normal?

Wish we could have heard a recording of that hearing.


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[Bohemian]

An abstract thought …. just thinking about that ‘private function’ where the FP met with the officials (as mentioned in the latest article). When did the Morcombes become involved with the FP? They tend to get things rolling with officials in high places very well. Perhaps they helped facilitate such an event, and helped to facilitate the official FB page …. to assist the FP and the intensity of the focus on the case? I know they did similar things in an advisory capacity in the case of missing Kyle Coleman.


In 2015, Bruce Morcombe spoke to the family of another missing child, William Tyrrell and warned them that psychics would descend on them with "bizarre and offbeat … distracting information". He called it distressing and said that although they received hundreds of leads telling them that there was a "shed or a water tank", none were of any help, but still couldn't be ignored in case they included a "disguised confession". Capturing data from CCTV and ATM cameras was more helpful, as once the police have a person of interest it may help disprove an alibi. Morcombe's advice was to "'remain positive, that's all you can do, the police will be working hard, they want to solve it as well"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Daniel_Morcombe

The above in italics comes from this article, SouthAussie:

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/father-of-d...h-birthday-20150619-ghsesq.html#ixzz3m2P1Nhxm

The first I heard about the Morcombes in relation to William's disappearance was when Bruce commented on the amount of time it had taken for the NSW government to allow William's FP to speak publicly. You can read more here (check the comments for the full article):

https://m.facebook.com/WilliamTyrellbringbackhome/posts/1574623836130280

 

[Bohemian]

Yep !! and this bit of info came up in BS court appearance.

The witness, who cannot be named, claimed Mr Spedding and another woman sexually abused children. These allegations, which were unrelated to the charges he now faces, were rejected by a judge, who said he was “reasonably satisfied” the abuse did not occur.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...e/news-story/9b98d96a3dbc4a8101e74fce96668fc2

That judge still angers me. Why was he reasonably satisfied? Because the witness acted bizarre? So if you have been exposed to and possibly been a victim of some sort of abuse yourself, had a pedophile brother and mentally affected by it you are expected to act normal?

Wish we could have heard a recording of that hearing.

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I'm sure the Victoria Police might beg to differ with the Judge's POV, given the information in this article:

Washing machine repair man and person of interest in William Tyrrell’s disappearance ‘raped a three-year-old girl in a caravan’ and has links with a local paedophile ring, court told
by Lucy Thackray and Leesa Smith
for Daily Mail Australia
10:40 23 Apr 2015
updated 12:07 23 Apr 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...isappearance-links-local-paedophile-ring.html

'Bill Spedding, 63, has been charged with five counts of child sexual assault and two counts of common assault and was denied bail during a brief court hearing on Thursday.

Police expect more charges will be laid against Spedding, who is accused of being linked to a paedophile ring in documents tendered to Port Macquarie Local Court.

There is evidence of other adult offenders who are complicit in similar child sex offences both independently and in conjunction with the accused in this matter,' the police fact sheet states, according to SMH.

'Investigations are continuing concerning such matters and it is anticipated further charges will brought against the accused in the foreseeable future.'

Victoria Police are currently investigating the suspected paedophile ring.'

 

[Angeline]

It would be so frustrating being a detective. It's easy to sleuth the case here, but the detectives have to remain objective. If they concentrated only on the most obvious scenario (that of William's complicated background), they risked missing evidence that he was taken by a pedophile.

Earlier in the thread someone speculated about how much FGM said to BS. There was an article that elaborated a bit further, that she had said the washer needed to be fixed because of the pending family visit (which once again changes the story of it being a "surprise visit", grr.)

Just hours earlier, it was revealed that William's grandmother asked Spedding, a few days before her grandson disappeared from her garden, to fix her washing machine because she was expecting her family to stay over, The Daily Telegraph reported.

This contradicts reports that her family's visit was unexpected.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3049939/Washing-machine-repairman-named-person-disappearance-William-Tyrrell-arrested-home.html

 

[Makara]

It would be so frustrating being a detective. It's easy to sleuth the case here, but the detectives have to remain objective. If they concentrated only on the most obvious scenario (that of William's complicated background), they risked missing evidence that he was taken by a pedophile.

Earlier in the thread someone speculated about how much FGM said to BS. There was an article that elaborated a bit further, that she had said the washer needed to be fixed because of the pending family visit (which once again changes the story of it being a "surprise visit", grr.)

Just hours earlier, it was revealed that William's grandmother asked Spedding, a few days before her grandson disappeared from her garden, to fix her washing machine because she was expecting her family to stay over, The Daily Telegraph reported.

This contradicts reports that her family's visit was unexpected.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...appearance-William-Tyrrell-arrested-home.html

It was only unexpected in that William and family arrived on the Thursday night as opposed to the Friday, which is when the grandmother expected them to arrive. If BS had hatched a plan to take William, the family's arrival on the Thursday night wouldn't have effected it at all. All he would have known is that the family was due to arrive on the Friday.

 

[SouthAussie]

It was only unexpected in that William and family arrived on the Thursday night as opposed to the Friday, which is when the grandmother expected them to arrive. If BS had hatched a plan to take William, the family's arrival on the Thursday night wouldn't have effected it at all. All he would have known is that the family was due to arrive on the Friday.

Yes, and even if he had not hatched a plan, he was the one with a reason to get over there before his 'school assembly' and install the part that had arrived the previous day ... install it before the visiting family arrived, keep his customer happy, get a little extra money for the weekend. When lo and behold, there was the little boy, and no-one is around - wait for a few minutes and talk with the boy, maybe show him your spiderman toy - still no-one is around and watching ....

When I used to look at the happy pic of William in the fire truck, I used to wonder how much difficulty anyone would have taking him. Perhaps if you asked a 3-year old if he'd like to sit in the van and see the tools/spiderman toy/whatever, he may do it thinking it would be another happy experience.

 

[Angeline]

I wonder if FGM had let anyone know about William's love of Spiderman...

 

[frogwell]

I'm sure the Victoria Police might beg to differ with the Judge's POV, given the information in this article:

Washing machine repair man and person of interest in William Tyrrell’s disappearance ‘raped a three-year-old girl in a caravan’ and has links with a local paedophile ring, court told
by Lucy Thackray and Leesa Smith
for Daily Mail Australia
10:40 23 Apr 2015
updated 12:07 23 Apr 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...isappearance-links-local-paedophile-ring.html

'Bill Spedding, 63, has been charged with five counts of child sexual assault and two counts of common assault and was denied bail during a brief court hearing on Thursday.

Police expect more charges will be laid against Spedding, who is accused of being linked to a paedophile ring in documents tendered to Port Macquarie Local Court.

There is evidence of other adult offenders who are complicit in similar child sex offences both independently and in conjunction with the accused in this matter,' the police fact sheet states, according to SMH.

'Investigations are continuing concerning such matters and it is anticipated further charges will brought against the accused in the foreseeable future.'

Victoria Police are currently investigating the suspected paedophile ring.'

From what we have heard in MSM so far, the presiding judge at the bail appeal, told the prosecutor that this information on the police fact sheet was not evidence but unsubstantiated allegations. I've heard of no further charges on these matters. The only thing that has stood out for me in the new article is police believe it was a targeted abduction maybe in connection with a local paedophile group. As someone pointed out, 3 POI's are facing court soon, maybe this is another tactic to place further pressure on them. Still doesn't add up for me. MOO

 

[Makara]

I wonder if FGM had let anyone know about William's love of Spiderman...

And yet according to the 60 Minutes interview with the parents last year, William's real love was fire trucks and also his 'little Tara' doll. The parents tended to play down the Spiderman fascination as if it was no big deal. Perhaps the grandmother thought differently and did indeed mention William's love of Spiderman to BS.

 

[sosocurious]

And yet according to the 60 Minutes interview with the parents last year, William's real love was fire trucks and also his 'little Tara' doll. The parents tended to play down the Spiderman fascination as if it was no big deal. Perhaps the grandmother thought differently and did indeed mention William's love of Spiderman to BS.

Yes Makara and this a week after William disappeared.

Though William disappeared while wearing a spiderman suit, his parents said he was enamoured with the emergency services.
"William up until a month ago was obsessed with all things Fire Engine and would tell us his name was "Firefighter William"… a future he deserves to fulfil."


www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-toddler-...-searchers-20140920-10jqdp.html#ixzz40oZ9FVLn

 

[Bohemian]

From what we have heard in MSM so far, the presiding judge at the bail appeal, told the prosecutor that this information on the police fact sheet was not evidence but unsubstantiated allegations. I've heard of no further charges on these matters. The only thing that has stood out for me in the new article is police believe it was a targeted abduction maybe in connection with a local paedophile group. As someone pointed out, 3 POI's are facing court soon, maybe this is another tactic to place further pressure on them. Still doesn't add up for me. MOO

Yes, froggy, soso made that clear in her post. I was just stating that Victorian Police had some skin in the game regarding their own investigation into BS' and others involvement in a paedophile ring and probably would have disagreed with the judge's assessment. I have no comment on BS' guilt or innocence in the matter before the courts.

Those two statements stood out to me too.

The first part of the sentence, regarding the belief by police that this was a targetted abduction, is news to me but as no source (other than a general one) was quoted, I'm taking that 'comment' with a grain of salt. Last I remember hearing from Jubey and the profiler, Sandra Yule was that William's was an opportunistic abduction by someone who was 'visiting', 'working' or 'living' in Kendall on 12/09/2014:

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/inside-the-mind-of-william-tyrrells-abductor-20150911-gjkqyz.html

Same goes for the second part, ie, the paedophile ring theory, which has been pushed by MSM from very early on in the case IIRC. I honestly don't remember any of the investigators assigned to Strike Force Rosann ever stating that a paedophile ring was involved in William's alleged abduction, just that they were investigating the possibility of one operating locally but alongside William's case (although, I must admit, the information I have stored in my mental filing cabinet about the investigation into William's disappearance might be jumbled due to its sheer volume).

I don't envy the police and analysts investigating this case due to the amount of information they have to collate and analyse. It must be driving them to distraction at times (along with me but, then again, they do have at least 12 times more brainpower than I do, the benefit of formal training and access to information unknown to me).

 

[Angeline]

Along with his Spiderman suit, wasn't there also a Spiderman toy spotted on the balcony in some of the MSM pictures? William liked Spiderman enough for them to bring those items up to grandma's house. I think his love of Spiderman was significant. I wonder why his parents played it down.

 

[Bohemian]

Along with his Spiderman suit, wasn't there also a Spiderman toy spotted on the balcony in some of the MSM pictures? William liked Spiderman enough for them to bring those items up to grandma's house. I think his love of Spiderman was significant. I wonder why his parents played it down.

Gee, Angeline, I don't remember reading about or seeing those photos. Do you have a link to them or where they're mentioned?

I don't think William"s FPs were consciously playing down his love of Spiderman. Kids of that age, especially boys, seem to have lots of 'heroes'; both real and imaginary. I have a grandson only a few months younger than William and, although he has some favourite heroes, they can change from day to day, week to week, etc. One day he might be a firefighter, the next an astronaut, and on others a superhero or, on rare occasions, even a chef (although his cuisine tastes a little like plastic )

 

[SouthAussie]

Along with his Spiderman suit, wasn't there also a Spiderman toy spotted on the balcony in some of the MSM pictures? William liked Spiderman enough for them to bring those items up to grandma's house. I think his love of Spiderman was significant. I wonder why his parents played it down.

I wonder if there is an absolutely inconsolable and bereft foster grandmother who is being protected. One who may have mentioned the family's visit and spiderman to a tradie, may even have had a spiderman gift laying there for William's arrival ... pyjamas, toy, colouring book ..... and one who certainly (through no fault of her own at all) had her precious grandson go missing from her house.


ETA: It could also be that the FP aren't fussing over those kind of details so they kind of blow them off, as whoever took William would have taken him no matter which superhero he was dressed as that day.
:dunno:

I still shudder when I think of Spedding with a spiderman toy in his van. Why?? Too many coincidences ....


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[krig101]

Along with his Spiderman suit, wasn't there also a Spiderman toy spotted on the balcony in some of the MSM pictures? William liked Spiderman enough for them to bring those items up to grandma's house. I think his love of Spiderman was significant. I wonder why his parents played it down.

....In the photo of him sitting on the deck I swear there was a Spiderman Doll in the background..Looks like I'm wrong. So much over the months things are starting to blend together/get fuzzy.

IIRC in one of the interviews FM saying that William did have a Spiderman doll with his at Grandmas.

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