Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #20

[AlwaysCurious77]

Many threads ago now I suggested that Spedding could not have been in his van that day and I think it's worth re-considering. The time taken to drive from home to school to Kendall, I believe, would have meant that he would have had to take a larger vehicle (more seats) to accommodate everyone. I don't think he could then have had the time to go home, get the van and go to Kendall.

My personal theory is the cars were not spotted by the FM but they do relate to Spedding in some way and the detectives are trying to get someone to confirm they saw something similar that day in the street.

I had a thought last night about the Spedding connection. We know that MS was in hospital right before William disappeared. The FGM was also in hospital during a similar period. I think it's very likely the two met and I can 'see' the FGM complaining about her machine and MS referring BS on to fix it. Time in hospital is very boring and if the two women were in hospital together I'd be wiling to bet they discussed their family situations etc.

Finally, I think is wonderful everyone is going back to basics and thinking about the initial days in the case. Can I ask what everyone's initial thoughts were? Mine were that he was accidently hit and killed as I remember a really similar story happening somewhere years before. (I can't link to anything as I cant remember how I knew about this case.)

All MOO

 

[bearbear]

Many threads ago now I suggested that Spedding could not have been in his van that day and I think it's worth re-considering. The time taken to drive from home to school to Kendall, I believe, would have meant that he would have had to take a larger vehicle (more seats) to accommodate everyone. I don't think he could then have had the time to go home, get the van and go to Kendall.

My personal theory is the cars were not spotted by the FM but they do relate to Spedding in some way and the detectives are trying to get someone to confirm they saw something similar that day in the street.

I had a thought last night about the Spedding connection. We know that MS was in hospital right before William disappeared. The FGM was also in hospital during a similar period. I think it's very likely the two met and I can 'see' the FGM complaining about her machine and MS referring BS on to fix it. Time in hospital is very boring and if the two women were in hospital together I'd be wiling to bet they discussed their family situations etc.

Finally, I think is wonderful everyone is going back to basics and thinking about the initial days in the case. Can I ask what everyone's initial thoughts were? Mine were that he was accidently hit and killed as I remember a really similar story happening somewhere years before. (I can't link to anything as I cant remember how I knew about this case.)

All MOO

maybe the bs children biked to school every day and he took his work van, says he met ms at buzz cafe before assembly, so she may have driven herself in, not sure what bs family vehicle is, i think police took away three for testing?
there was a white 4wd spotted speeding or driving erratically that morning in the area,
probably better if an abduction was planned to be there in a work vehicle with the excuse of being there to fix machine.
agree gm and ms may have met in hospital or maybe both had at home assistance after hospital from the same carer

 

[Bohemian]

Many threads ago now I suggested that Spedding could not have been in his van that day and I think it's worth re-considering. The time taken to drive from home to school to Kendall, I believe, would have meant that he would have had to take a larger vehicle (more seats) to accommodate everyone. I don't think he could then have had the time to go home, get the van and go to Kendall.

My personal theory is the cars were not spotted by the FM but they do relate to Spedding in some way and the detectives are trying to get someone to confirm they saw something similar that day in the street.

I had a thought last night about the Spedding connection. We know that MS was in hospital right before William disappeared. The FGM was also in hospital during a similar period. I think it's very likely the two met and I can 'see' the FGM complaining about her machine and MS referring BS on to fix it. Time in hospital is very boring and if the two women were in hospital together I'd be wiling to bet they discussed their family situations etc.

Finally, I think is wonderful everyone is going back to basics and thinking about the initial days in the case. Can I ask what everyone's initial thoughts were? Mine were that he was accidently hit and killed as I remember a really similar story happening somewhere years before. (I can't link to anything as I cant remember how I knew about this case.)

All MOO

1. He needed at least 5 seats. Unless he dropped MS and 3 kids off just before the start of school and went AWOL until just after 10:30am. Remember, part of his alibi was that he did some work in his office and met MS at Buzz around the latter time.

Don't forget a flat on the first floor of the building was searched and items removed. Someone could be stashed there whilst the presentation was held at the school and moved on later in the day. Next we hear of BS' whereabouts is that he is visiting a client in Dunbogan at 2:00pm.

2. I vaguely remember a discussion about both women meeting during a hospital stay but I think MS had been hospitalised way before William's scheduled visit. It's possible they (and BS) may have met at the local hospital at some stage though and discussed their grandchildren.

3. Initially, I thought William was kidnapped by his biological father as the result of a custody dispute because that is the most common reason children go missing in Australia.

I must admit an MVA in his driveway did cross my mind but other WSers said there would have been some evidence, ie, blood. (Although I have since read a little more about the JonBenet Ramsey case and the fatal wound was a blunt force injury. No blood as the skin on her scalp wasn't broken - there was simply a dent in her skull, poor little love).

 

[frogwell]

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Finally, I think is wonderful everyone is going back to basics and thinking about the initial days in the case. Can I ask what everyone's initial thoughts were? Mine were that he was accidently hit and killed as I remember a really similar story happening somewhere years before. (I can't link to anything as I cant remember how I knew about this case.)


I was away down the south coast with my kids. After the radio reported that WT had not been found overnight, the point was made that nobody knew they were going to Kendall as it was a surprise visit. I felt suspicious straight away. Over the next couple of days it was reported that there was no scent of WT and the police were baffled I thought that we would be watching a charade play out that has been seen before in investigations. That was my initial reaction and much more information has been clarified and supplied since the initial reports. MOO

 

[gregjrichards]

Wonder if the software gets passed around in , sorry pawn shops?

I don't know anything about the dark web and how to access it nor would I wish to find out but I understand from articles I have read about other cases that it is very easy to pass around horrific material by bluetooth between phones and laptops, and via swapping memory cards and memory sticks. It's disturbing to think most of us use our camera phones to take normal family photos whilst some individuals are using them to commit evil acts. I don't think there are enough resources available globally to identify these monsters carrying out the abuse and their victims. I dread to think how many get away with abuse and recording it and how many children are left to endure ongoing abuse.

 

[Angeline]

Many threads ago now I suggested that Spedding could not have been in his van that day and I think it's worth re-considering. The time taken to drive from home to school to Kendall, I believe, would have meant that he would have had to take a larger vehicle (more seats) to accommodate everyone. I don't think he could then have had the time to go home, get the van and go to Kendall.

My personal theory is the cars were not spotted by the FM but they do relate to Spedding in some way and the detectives are trying to get someone to confirm they saw something similar that day in the street.

I had a thought last night about the Spedding connection. We know that MS was in hospital right before William disappeared. The FGM was also in hospital during a similar period. I think it's very likely the two met and I can 'see' the FGM complaining about her machine and MS referring BS on to fix it. Time in hospital is very boring and if the two women were in hospital together I'd be wiling to bet they discussed their family situations etc.

Finally, I think is wonderful everyone is going back to basics and thinking about the initial days in the case. Can I ask what everyone's initial thoughts were? Mine were that he was accidently hit and killed as I remember a really similar story happening somewhere years before. (I can't link to anything as I cant remember how I knew about this case.)

All MOO

My initial thoughts were that William was in the bush. I remember waking each day checking for news that he'd been found. I was hoping there were no dams nearby because my thoughts went to the little boy who drowned near Grafton, off Chatsworth Island

It didn't occur to me that he had been abducted. I was familiar with the town of Kendall and a random abduction seemed extremely unlikely.

All the focus in the media seemed to be on finding a lost boy in the bush. When it was announced that the police were interviewing known sex offenders in the area I didn't think much of it. I thought it was just a formality and there was no way something so horrific could have happened (an abduction by a pedophile.)

When it looked there was human intervention involved, I assumed, like most people that it was related to his complicated family situation, e.g. a custody situation. The investigation went very quiet for months and I took comfort in thinking the police had it in hand and were working with the family to get his custody situation sorted out... because if he was abducted at random wouldn't there be more publicity? Then came the bombshell that it was an opportunistic abduction by a pedophile ring. I think that's when the public really got riled up and wanted to see action.

 

[asac]

I also figured he was another little boy in the woods and it was just a matter of time, they'd find him, how could they not, he's out there.

These days I really don't know what to think.

 

[bearbear]

when william was reported missing my gut feeling was its another kiesha w scenario, the whole story seemed weak, then i had a funny feeling that a close neighbour was involved, then after reading lots of social media comments began to wonder if it was bio related with possible prison connections being made with bs extended family and all the dodgy characters, with bs possibly the abductor for either a misguided act of doing good or paedophile related, still go with all scenarios changing all the time, and my first feeling is still strong

 

[sosocurious]

My initial thought something just not right = parents.
Prompt Joint response .... hmmm

Then that very tiny snippet in a single media article just a week after William's disappearance. Lone repair van parked out front nana's house.

Abduction never really bought it being opportunistic.

Planned and targeted yes ... imo

With each new snippet of information stategically released to the public I change my mind as to who, but I just keep coming back to BS.

Though, Jubelin did say (60 minutes) that 12 or so nominated POI and 27 nominated persons with suspicion attached.

I wonder just what, who else is to come.

 

[sosocurious]

The investigation began with Queensland Police in June; they contacted their NSW counterparts when they discovered a man under investigation may have links in Sydney.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2016/02/22/nsw-child-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-charges-highlight-online-risks

I wonder if the man that was under investigation actually lived in Queensland or NSW?
Could he have been the one that looked chillingly like the man being investigated into the disappearance of William?

 

[HavenWood]

Wonder if the software gets passed around in , sorry pawn shops?

It's actually not very difficult to get on to the darkweb. You just download a program off the internet. So no need for them to pass the software around.

 

[tiddles24]

Washing Machine Repair Man BS has some very colourful characters as stepsons and grandsons in the mix as well ???

 

[tiddles24]

Interested to know your thoughts on a police officer*s comments "Something does not look right here" as soon as police arrived on the scene ???

 

[PainExpress]

Interested to know your thoughts on a police officer*s comments "Something does not look right here" as soon as police arrived on the scene ???

Need to think about what he could see and feel.

GBC good example of first responders gut feel.

What was this officer witnessing?

 

[bearbear]

Need to think about what he could see and feel.

GBC good example of first responders gut feel.

What was this officer witnessing?

i was thinking gbc but he had face scratches, wonder what was obvious here?

 

[tiddles24]

This is my question "What was obvious here, in your opinion?". All family members were cleared of no perceived involvement right from the start.

 

[Bohemian]

Interested to know your thoughts on a police officer*s comments "Something does not look right here" as soon as police arrived on the scene ???

The above comment was made on the morning after William went missing:

At 2.35pm detectives are dispatched from Port Macquarie and begin taking statements. One of them speaks to a colleague, Detective Senior Constable Vanessa Partridge, back at Port Macquarie late that afternoon; they are worried something more sinister may have taken place. Partridge arrives very early the next day, and already there are people out on *horseback, on bicycle, on foot, searching for *William. His dad is out there with them, and will be for days, thinking, “Surely if he is out here in the bush he’ll be found?”

Arriving at the house on Benaroon Drive, *Partridge is thinking, “Something just doesn’t feel right about this whole thing.”

https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=804822206268634&id=114990695251792&substory_index=0

Maybe the DSC Partridge thought by that stage it wasn't a case of a child who had wandered off; presumably into Kendall State Forest, rather one of a kidnapping/abduction.

 

[frogwell]

The above comment was made on the morning after William went missing:




Maybe the DSC Partridge thought by that stage it wasn't a case of a child who had wandered off; presumably into Kendall State Forest, rather one of a kidnapping/abduction.

Possibly she was thinking along those lines. Her impression seems to be based on what she takes in as she arrives at the scene obviously with the knowledge after being briefed from other detectives the afternoon before that something more sinister may have occurred and most likely knowing the suspicions the FM held immediately of abduction.

 

[frogwell]

My gut reaction to the 1st response as reported on 60 minutes was that it stood out to me. Having had the experience of having to call police about a missing child. However I'm sure there are many moments that have occurred as soon as WT went missing that have not been reported, things like changes of decision on where to look, who should go where to look for him, who should stay to talk to police and should I just stay inside or stay out the front or just keep looking and let the police find me when they get here. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m sure that a team would have been inside the house on that first day, while others were out searching, asking lots of questions. Among them, questions like ….. ‘did you have any visitors today?’ …. ‘were you expecting any visitors today?’.

They would have soon heard that the washing machine repairman was probably going to come by, and grandma had tried to ring him with no success.
And after that first day, I wonder how long it took them to connect Spedding’s name with his alleged past child sex crimes – an hour, a day, a few days? And how long to get the data for his phone activity and location for that day/morning? Then the sex crimes squad arrived.

I personally have never seen the sex crimes squad deployed, and so quickly, in a missing child case before … unless it was relevant. My mind started changing from 'lost child' to 'who has taken this child?' from that point on.