Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #20

[sosocurious]

I’m sure that a team would have been inside the house on that first day, while others were out searching, asking lots of questions. Among them, questions like ….. ‘did you have any visitors today?’ …. ‘were you expecting any visitors today?’.

They would have soon heard that the washing machine repairman was probably going to come by, and grandma had tried to ring him with no success.
And after that first day, I wonder how long it took them to connect Spedding’s name with his alleged past child sex crimes – an hour, a day, a few days? And how long to get the data for his phone activity and location for that day/morning? Then the sex crimes squad arrived.

I personally have never seen the sex crimes squad deployed, and so quickly, in a missing child case before … unless it was relevant. My mind started changing from 'lost child' to 'who has taken this child?' from that point on.

BBM

Sex crimes and homicide if this is correct.

lead investigator Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, who has been looking for William since the first day he disappeared.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...y/news-story/c0ba693e4df8317cd0dc089761d6192e

 

[richieswan]

I’m sure that a team would have been inside the house on that first day, while others were out searching, asking lots of questions. Among them, questions like ….. ‘did you have any visitors today?’ …. ‘were you expecting any visitors today?’.

They would have soon heard that the washing machine repairman was probably going to come by, and grandma had tried to ring him with no success.
And after that first day, I wonder how long it took them to connect Spedding’s name with his alleged past child sex crimes – an hour, a day, a few days? And how long to get the data for his phone activity and location for that day/morning? Then the sex crimes squad arrived.

I personally have never seen the sex crimes squad deployed, and so quickly, in a missing child case before … unless it was relevant. My mind started changing from 'lost child' to 'who has taken this child?' from that point on.

"It is understood a call to Crime Stoppers about Mr Spedding originally led police to consider him a possible person of interest in the case and to search his property."

Now who would do that?

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...r-william-tyrell/story-fnii5s3x-1227314208802

 

[SouthAussie]

BBM

Sex crimes and homicide if this is correct.

lead investigator Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, who has been looking for William since the first day he disappeared.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainmen...y/news-story/c0ba693e4df8317cd0dc089761d6192e

Yes. Though I don't think we heard about Homicide's early arrival till much later, did we?
I know we heard about the sex crimes squad within about 4 days of William going missing.
They evidently feared bad things very early on. And something caused them to feel that way. It may have been the Spedding name. Who knows all they know about him? Police know many things about their locals.

 

[Angeline]

BS would've come up on the Hillsley file, maybe?

 

[hoshizora]

I often think of William. I feel confident the police are doing their best with the case (such as tracking down Spiderman outfits turned into op shops.) Hope he is found soon.

 

[sosocurious]

DN in court tomorrow.

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw....160001631413895810MentionPolice/derek nichols

 

[louisepiglet]

This is my question "What was obvious here, in your opinion?". All family members were cleared of no perceived involvement right from the start.

BBM
Family members were cleared very quickly. I have often wondered how this could have been achieved in such a short time frame. Exactly how far into family connections did that extend

 

[Angeline]

BBM
Family members were cleared very quickly. I have often wondered how this could have been achieved in such a short time frame. Exactly how far into family connections did that extend

IIRC, there was an article that said they were cleared because, "they were where they said they were."

That always seemed a bit simplistic. It doesn't stop anyone from acting on someone's behalf, but I suppose police are going on the evidence they have. I don't want to appear to be victim unfriendly, just trying to be objective.

 

[Wexford]

IIRC, there was an article that said they were cleared because, "they were where they said they were."

That always seemed a bit simplistic. It doesn't stop anyone from acting on someone's behalf, but I suppose police are going on the evidence they have. I don't want to appear to be victim unfriendly, just trying to be objective.

'They' though.....what does that mean. This family is more than just the three. I imagine it was quite easy to establish where FM, FD (assume CCTV, a witness, or his computer/skype confirmed him) and GM were. But who else is there? The way I see it there are quite a few others that needed to be accounted for very quickly.

 

[Wexford]

Im a bit hazy on all this now....but can anyone remind me....how did Spedding's name first hit the MSM?
Obviously they looked at him as a recent visitor to the property and we know that someone made a call to Crimestoppers about him......but how did the caller know he was there? I was under the impression he became a POI because of the call but how did the caller know he was there?
Surely he wasn't named in MSM before then?

 

[krig101]

Im a bit hazy on all this now....but can anyone remind me....how did Spedding's name first hit the MSM?
Obviously they looked at him as a recent visitor to the property and we know that someone made a call to Crimestoppers about him......but how did the caller know he was there? I was under the impression he became a POI because of the call but how did the caller know he was there?
Surely he wasn't named in MSM before then?

First time he was named in MSM was in January 2015 when his home and business were searched

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[SouthAussie]

First time he was named in MSM was in January 2015 when his home and business were searched

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So what happened then? Someone in the family had spoken about him being there to the (alleged) past victims and they called CrimeStoppers? I can’t remember why, but weren’t we speculating at one time that it was someone related to the past case that made that call?

 

[krig101]

So what happened then? Someone in the family had spoken about him being there to the (alleged) past victims and they called CrimeStoppers? I can’t remember why, but weren’t we speculating at one time that it was someone related to the past case that made that call?

I think so. Think it was reported in MSM somewhere.....IIRC Spedding was investigated by FACS in december and didn't the mother of his grandsons call also? That always confused me. Not sure if that was in MSM or speculation about her call. I want to say that is when he was looked at more closely.

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[richieswan]

So what happened then? Someone in the family had spoken about him being there to the (alleged) past victims and they called CrimeStoppers? I can’t remember why, but weren’t we speculating at one time that it was someone related to the past case that made that call?

I still think they must have been onto something way before then, with the sex crimes squad involvement etc.
I wonder what the content of that CrimeStoppers call actually was? Maybe about the t-shirt stuffed in the drain?

I think BS was told someone (Wife?) he recognised the house when he saw it on the news ("I've been there"). So perhaps word spread and someone 'close' to him had suspicions, or just felt the need to drag him into the arena.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think so. IIRC Spedding was investigated by FACS in december and didn't the mother of his grandsons call also? Not sure if that was in MSM or speculation about her call. I want to say that is when he was looked at more closely.

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I still think they must have been onto something way before then, with the sex crimes squad involvement etc.
I wonder what the content of that CrimeStoppers call actually was? Maybe about the t-shirt stuffed in the drain? They would have needed a good and specific reason to get a warrant to search Spedding's properties.

 

[Bohemian]

BS would've come up on the Hillsley file, maybe?

I hear BS was none too happy to have Jubey turn up on his doorstep with an arrest warrant. In fact, BS initially refused to leave, saying 'No!' repeatedly before being taken into custody by Jubey et al:

Bill Spedding arrest: Police arrest person of interest in William Tyrrell investigation on unrelated charges
by Emma Partridge
The Sydney Morning Herald
April 22, 2015 - 5; 42pm

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-speddi...ion-on-unrelated-charges-20150422-1mqkeq.html

'Mr Spedding yelled "No" when five detectives informed him he was under arrest before he agreed to go with them to Port Macquarie police station.'

Also, I suspect Jubey knew BS a lot more intimately than just 'on paper'.

Bill Spedding's ex-brother-in-law a murdering rapist, court told
by Emma Partridge
The Sydney Morning Herald
June 17, 2015 6:19 pm

http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/bill-speddi...dering-rapist-court-told-20150614-ghnx8h.html

'Not only are Mr Spedding and Hillsley linked by family but they were arrested by the same detective about a decade apart.

Convicted murderer and rapist Jeffrey John Hillsley is related to Bill Spedding, it has emerged in court.

Homicide Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin arrested Mr Spedding on April 22, 2015, more than 10 years after he took Hillsley into custody.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I have always taken that to mean both bio and foster families, but now I am wondering if they only meant foster family. If so, that would put a different complexion on it.

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BBM
Family members were cleared very quickly. I have often wondered how this could have been achieved in such a short time frame. Exactly how far into family connections did that extend

 

[Bohemian]

Im a bit hazy on all this now....but can anyone remind me....how did Spedding's name first hit the MSM?
Obviously they looked at him as a recent visitor to the property and we know that someone made a call to Crimestoppers about him......but how did the caller know he was there? I was under the impression he became a POI because of the call but how did the caller know he was there?
Surely he wasn't named in MSM before then?

The case of the missing spiderman: Why missing toddler William Tyrrell's disappearance has baffled a nation … and how 63-year-old repairman Bill 'Speddo' Spedding came onto the police radar
by Candace Sutton and Sarah Michael
for Daily Mail Australia
08:29 22 Apr 2015
updated 23:19 22 Apr 2015


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-Bill-Speddo-Spedding-came-police-radar.html

'On January 19 a large team of forensic detectives turned up at the 63-year-old's Bonny Hills house, near Port Macquarie, and literally began digging for evidence.'

'Bill Spedding first come under suspicion months ago, in the wake of toddler William Tyrrell's disappearance. NSW police learned from Tyrrell’s grandmother that the repairman had visited the home from which the toddler was snatched just days before the kidnap, and was due to return with a washing machine part on the actual day the three-year-old disappeared.'

'But Spedding’s name did not become public until the police appeared at the home he shared with his wife, Margaret.'

'It was also reported that a plumber who was later called to investigate a blocked pipe at Bill and Margaret Spedding's Bonny Hils house found a child's shirt in one of the pipes, although this item of clothing may not have been linked to William Tyrrell's disappearance.'

'Local police, forensics officers and sex crimes officers were involved in the investigation. There were no arrests. It is understood the raids were triggered by a tip off to the Crime Stoppers helpline.'

 

[frogwell]

It's possible GJ knew BS from a previous investigation but I think it is highly unlikely. Hillsley was not in BS life for probably 16 years when he was arrested for an unrelated crime by Jubelin. It's a slim chance that GJ was involved in the historical investigation for BS. If there was anything sus in BS past that the police had on their files, I'm sure police would have let MSM know. MOO

 

[krig101]

I still think they must have been onto something way before then, with the sex crimes squad involvement etc.
I wonder what the content of that CrimeStoppers call actually was? Maybe about the t-shirt stuffed in the drain? They would have needed a good and specific reason to get a warrant to search Spedding's properties.

I do too. It probably just took a while to get a search warrant.
The T-shirt still bothers me....

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