Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #20

[bearbear]

when it was revealed bs had been scheduled to go to fgms that day he would have been looked at more closely and checked out on the police sex offenders list, his name should have come up then for his historic allegations, the info most likely also had who the attending officer was so det jubelin would have been alerted, also bs and ms had several trips to the police station to give statements according to good friend colin

 

[Wexford]

It's possible GJ knew BS from a previous investigation but I think it is highly unlikely. Hillsley was not in BS life for probably 16 years when he was arrested for an unrelated crime by Jubelin. It's a slim chance that GJ was involved in the historical investigation for BS. If there was anything sus in BS past that the police had on their files, I'm sure police would have let MSM know. MOO

I wonder if that is why GJ was assigned to the case in the first place?? He is pretty high profile and I think he is homicide?? So that could also explain why homicide was assigned to the case so early on? Because GJ had a bit of history with the No.1 POI?? Or of course it could be that he wanted the case because he knew the name?? Unfinished business? He does have a history of not letting things go (and good on him for that).

 

[frogwell]

I'm pretty sure someone explained on this thread a little earlier that the missing persons dept. is attached to homicide and this is a part of their protocol, (however I'm open to correction.) Having no evidence that WT was in the bush, they had to open themselves up to all possibilities for the disappearance quickly. Also, he may not have been arrested for the historical charges at the time, just helped police with their enquiries. GJ could also have been assigned as the case is high profile and so is he. MOO

 

[Karo]

when it was revealed bs had been scheduled to go to fgms that day he would have been looked at more closely and checked out on the police sex offenders list, his name should have come up then for his historic arrest as a paedophile, the info most likely also had who the arresting officer was so det jubelin would have been alerted, also bs and ms had several trips to the police station to give statements according to good friend colin

Does he have a historic arrest ? I understood allegations were made and he was questioned.

 

[tiddles24]

Amidst the foggy haze of William*s complicated family history......secrecy around foster family from the start......bio family......BS and his extended family....historical sex charges......persons of interest in and out of jail.....paedophile rings......DOCS (FACS)......gag orders......government beaurocracy rules etc etc etc......I feel at times that finding William has taken a backseat instead of being at the forefront of this complex and very sad case......MOO !!!

 

[ZooSleuth]

Has it been confirmed or established that WT's foster parents were the only foster parents that WT had after leaving the care of his bio parents?

 

[frogwell]

Does he have a historic arrest ? I understood allegations were made and he was questioned.

snap karo.

 

[Freddo Frog]

Disgusting vile creature. And not only online, but on a dark web pedo site, by the sound of things.
And it sounds as if there were further evil intentions for that baby, or another baby among the 10 endangered children.
You need special software to access the dark web, apparently. These scum apply some effort to get to the sick place(s) where they like to hang out and trade.

Don't forget the latest arrest in Mackay of a man in his early 20s. Another disgusting, vile creature.

http://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2016/02/23/child-exploitation-material-charges-townsville-mackay/

 

[bearbear]

Does he have a historic arrest ? I understood allegations were made and he was questioned.

sorry, no, my mistake i got confused by his recent arrest by det jubelin who i thought had also arrested him years ago for the same crimes, and hes being called "an accused paedophile" in msm. i have since modified my post.

Accused paedophile questioned


But Mr O'Brien said there had been a 'thorough police investigation' of Mr Spedding back in the late 1980s and he hadn't been charged.
Mr Spedding faces five counts of child sexual assault and two of common assault
Mr Spedding allegedly raped two girls aged three and six repeatedly in a caravan in 1987

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...am-Tyrrell-related-child-rapist-murderer.html

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[Bohemian]

It's possible GJ knew BS from a previous investigation but I think it is highly unlikely. Hillsley was not in BS life for probably 16 years when he was arrested for an unrelated crime by Jubelin. It's a slim chance that GJ was involved in the historical investigation for BS. If there was anything sus in BS past that the police had on their files, I'm sure police would have let MSM know. MOO

Do you have a link to information that states that JJH wasn't in BS' life for 16 years? I know JJH has been incarcerated for at least that amount of time but that doesn't preclude contact between them, even if it is indirect IMO.

I'd say the chance of Jubey having intimate knowledge of BS was more than slim at the time he came to Strike Force Rosann's notice in regard to William's disappearance.

Even now, froggy, there seems to be no more than two degrees of separation between JJH, BS and Jubey as his current wife, MS, allegedly contacted on of his alleged victims in the matter now before the courts:

Bill Spedding, person of interest in disappearance of William Tyrrell, in court on child rape charges
April 24, 2015 5:23am
Taylor Auerbach
The Daily Telegraph

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k=722f22f278718b616238931285fbc48c-1456271819

'The shocking accusations surfaced after police investigating the disappearance of toddler William Tyrrell unearthed historical police and medical records that led to the charges being laid.'

The Daily Telegraph revealed yesterday one of the people made the original call to Crime Stoppers about Spedding days after William Tyrrell was snatched.'

'Police allege that, since Spedding became aware they were making inquiries with him in relation to the disappearance of William Tyrrell, he had contacted people he knows in the hope of obtaining character references.'

'They allege his wife Margaret contacted one of the alleged victims by text shortly after he was arrested and said: “It really saddens me you’re involved in this.”'

 

[Wexford]

Do you have a link to information that states that JJH wasn't in BS' life for 16 years? I know JJH has been incarcerated for at least that amount of time but that doesn't preclude contact between them, even if it is indirect IMO.

I'd say the chance of Jubey having intimate knowledge of BS was more than slim at the time he came to Strike Force Rosann's notice in regard to William's disappearance.

Even now, froggy, there seems to be no more than two degrees of separation between JJH, BS and Jubey as his current wife, MS, allegedly contacted on of his alleged victims in the matter now before the courts:

Bill Spedding, person of interest in disappearance of William Tyrrell, in court on child rape charges
April 24, 2015 5:23am
Taylor Auerbach
The Daily Telegraph

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k=722f22f278718b616238931285fbc48c-1456271819

'The shocking accusations surfaced after police investigating the disappearance of toddler William Tyrrell unearthed historical police and medical records that led to the charges being laid.'

The Daily Telegraph revealed yesterday one of the people made the original call to Crime Stoppers about Spedding days after William Tyrrell was snatched.'

'Police allege that, since Spedding became aware they were making inquiries with him in relation to the disappearance of William Tyrrell, he had contacted people he knows in the hope of obtaining character references.'

'They allege his wife Margaret contacted one of the alleged victims by text shortly after he was arrested and said: “It really saddens me you’re involved in this.”'

bbm

Which makes me think that this is because of the call to crimestoppers although at some time there was some confusion that the call came from the mother of the kids BS had in his care. I imagine that the victim was probably quite sad to have been involved in the first place.
I also wonder how MSM got this info as it does not strike me as the sort of info that the LE would release???

 

[drsleuth]

WS next court date & it's another police mention........

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw....ate%22%2C%22sortOrder%22%3A%22ASC%22%7D%7D%7D

 

[krig101]

Which makes me think that this is because of the call to crimestoppers although at some time there was some confusion that the call came from the mother of the kids BS had in his care. I imagine that the victim was probably quite sad to have been involved in the first place.
I also wonder how MSM got this info as it does not strike me as the sort of info that the LE would release???

BS calling for character witnesses is very hinky IMO.

IIRC BS and his wife were living with JJH when or just before he was arrested.

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[Bohemian]

bbm

Which makes me think that this is because of the call to crimestoppers although at some time there was some confusion that the call came from the mother of the kids BS had in his care. I imagine that the victim was probably quite sad to have been involved in the first place.
I also wonder how MSM got this info as it does not strike me as the sort of info that the LE would release???

Could have been the plumber, could have been BS' much maligned ex-wife and/or former stepdaughter(s) or, yes, the biological mother of the three boys - who knows? Don't forget there was also the Ghost Road search after a tip off to Crimestopper's about a white van entering the bush not long after William disappeared.

You'd have to contact the esteemed NSWPF/Justice Dept/FaCS' mouthpiece, Taylor Auerbach from the revered Daily Telegraph for the latter information; although I don't like your chances of getting an answer.

 

[Karo]

BS calling for character witnesses is very hinky IMO.

IIRC BS and his wife were living with JJH when or just before he was arrested.

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Can you explain why it is Hinky?
The man had been accused of historical rape charges against children, it seems likely that a lawyer would have addressed that and suggested it.
I seem to recall that BS was not living with the Hillsleys when he was arrested, he (Hillsley) was possibly living with his parents as orders were given to Hillsley not to take children into the bedroom, by his father.

 

[frogwell]

It has always annoyed me that the communication between BS, MS and the victim has been so played up given the what seems to have been up until that time, an ongoing relationship between all 3, and probably the drive of the police to pursue this charge, given (I'm assuming) the victim has no recollection of the event. MOO

 

[purpleandgreen]

Please excuse my ignorance on such matters, but how many Mentions does one normally have?

 

[Bohemian]

It has always annoyed me that the communication between BS, MS and the victim has been so played up given the what seems to have been up until that time, an ongoing relationship between all 3, and probably the drive of the police to pursue this charge, given (I'm assuming) the victim has no recollection of the event. MOO

You know what annoys me, froggy? Victim-blaming, abrogation of responsibility for one's actions and disrespect for our police and justice systems.

Regardless of the type or length of ongoing relationships between perpetrators and victims, clarity of the victims' memories, or the alleged 'drive' of police; child sexual abuse ('recalled' or 'forgotten' by the victim) cannot be left uninvestigated (nor unpunished, if it is found that it has occurred without reasonable doubt given available evidence).

Adults who are abused as babies/toddlers, when they are non-verbal, as well as older children, often experience physiological memories that can manifest as physical or mental illness (eg, Complex Trauma Disorder, Disassociative Identity Disorder) later in life.

Just because adults can't give voice to or haven't integrated traumatic childhood experiences into their personalities, and/or laid down easily retrievable memories of those events, does not make them any less valid, or the perpetrators any less responsible for their crime(s) and nor should they receive any concession(s) on their punishment(s).

 

[Wexford]

You know what annoys me, froggy? Victim-blaming, abrogation of responsibility for one's actions and disrespect for our police and justice systems.

Regardless of the type or length of ongoing relationships between perpetrators and victims, clarity of the victims' memories, or the alleged 'drive' of police; child sexual abuse ('recalled' or 'forgotten' by the victim) cannot be left uninvestigated nor unpunished if it is found that it has occurred without reasonable doubt and given available evidence.

Adults who are abused as babies/toddlers, when they are non-verbal, as well as older children, often experience physiological memories that can manifest as physical or mental illness (eg, Complex Trauma Disorder, Disassociative Identity Disorder) later in life.

Just because adults can't give voice to or integrate traumatic childhood experiences into their personalities, and/or lay down easily retrievable memories of those events, does not make them any less valid, or
perpetrators any less responsible for their crime(s) nor should they receive any concession(s) on their punishment(s).

AMEN to that Bo!!!

 

[Bohemian]

Can you explain why it is Hinky?
The man had been accused of historical rape charges against children, it seems likely that a lawyer would have addressed that and suggested it.
I seem to recall that BS was not living with the Hillsleys when he was arrested, he (Hillsley) was possibly living with his parents as orders were given to Hillsley not to take children into the bedroom, by his father.

Ooo...I can! Because he started collecting character references before he was 'accused', or even arrested, on alleged historical child sex offences.

Bill Spedding, person of interest in disappearance of William Tyrrell, in court on child rape charges
April 24, 2015 5:23am
Taylor Auerbach
The Daily Telegraph

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k=722f22f278718b616238931285fbc48c-1456271819

'Police allege that, since Spedding became aware they were making inquiries with him in relation to the disappearance of William Tyrrell, he had contacted people he knows in the hope of obtaining character references.'

'The shocking accusations surfaced after police investigating the disappearance of toddler William Tyrrell unearthed historical police and medical records that led to the charges being laid.'

'The Daily Telegraph revealed yesterday one of the people made the original call to Crime Stoppers about Spedding days after William Tyrrell was snatched.'

And, while I'm here, JJH's living arrangements:

Spedding makes bail bid on sex charges
by Australian Associated Press
09:49 17 Jun 2015
updated 09:49 17 Jun 2015

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-3127544/Child-molester-lived-alleged-victims.html

'Child molester Jeffrey John Hillsley was living in the same house as William Spedding's alleged child sex victims and had an opportunity to do "something" to them, a court has heard.

Spedding, the white goods repairman named as a person of interest in the case of missing toddler William Tyrrell, made a bid for bail in the NSW Supreme Court on Wednesday.

The 63-year-old has been charged with sexually assaulting two girls, aged three and six, in a caravan in Campbelltown* in Sydney's southwest in 1987.'

(*Just by the by, the caravan was in the backyard of the house BS' former wife and stepdaughters were living in, IIRC).