Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #21

[Wozzie]

This almost seems to be a local version of a 'child recovery' by a custodial parent after a non-custodial parent has taken them to his/her country of origin.

Smacks of an almost paramilitary/military style kidnapping in many ways.

All IMO.

RSBM

If this was the case, why would they only take William though? Why not the sister also? Different Fathers?

 

[krig101]

RSBM

If this was the case, why would they only take William though? Why not the sister also? Different Fathers?

The opportunity only allowed for them to grab William....

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[Eloise]

RSBM

If this was the case, why would they only take William though? Why not the sister also? Different Fathers?

This is a major sticking point with me as far as it being a planned abduction to return him to his bio family (though I don't personally get the sense that KT is involved at all). I don't believe WT and his sister have different fathers. And as I've said before, it was so easy to find out info in the early days about the foster family. Ridiculously easy, tbh ... frankly I'd be surprised if their location really had been a secret to anybody that really wanted to know where he'd been living. The FF was very public on FB until it all got shut down.

I really can't think of any scenario that actually fits. Not after all this time, with no suspects - a bunch of POIs yeah, but that's not the same as suspects, and so little new information. After being allocated such a huge taskforce if it was something as obvious as "the bio family took him" or "the fosters are hiding something" or "BS and co have him locally" I think he'd have been found or something would have been found e.g. during those searches of BS's properties that would have bumped BS and co up from POI to actual suspect. I completely doubt it's totally random and totally opportunistic, not given the location and the lack of evidence left behind.

Which leaves me just scratchin my head.

 

[Bohemian]

RSBM

If this was the case, why would they only take William though? Why not the sister also? Different Fathers?

I really don't know. Either that or William's FGM taking his sister to the bathroom was her saving grace or someone spooked them while/after they were/had taking/taken him and they abandoned the plan for her.

 

[Bohemian]

That would explain why tracking dogs couldn't pick up William's scent.

I thought the knife scabbard and small footprints were excluded from evidence as well as the blood sample 2km from where William disappeared?

An extensive knowledge or, at the very least, reconnaissance of the area would be a must for a timely and unnoticed getaway. Less so, if William was concealed close by.

William and his family's visit was no surprise to his FGM. The only surprise was that they arrived on the Thursday night rather than the next day (Friday morning).

I highly suspect the family's; and, in particular, William's movements were being closely monitored in Kendall that morning. When Dad left, there were only two women (one elderly and recovering from a stay in hospital?) and two children aged less than 5 years of age left at FGM's former residence - not much of a deterrent for a couple of burly blokes.

This almost seems to be a local version of a 'child recovery' by a custodial parent after a non-custodial parent has taken them to his/her country of origin.

Smacks of an almost paramilitary/military style kidnapping in many ways.

All IMO.

BBM.

Further to this:

http://www.f4joz.com/news/newspage.php?yr=2&id=314

http://www.f4joz.com/newspix/secretnetwork.gif

http://www.f4joz.com/news/newspage.php?yr=2&id=313

This 'organisation' is also apparently still quite active; (albeit 'underground') particularly in the UK and the US AFAIK.

 

[HavenWood]

I don't think the bio family were involved. I mean, if you want to kidnap your own child back, it's because you want them with you. If they kidnapped William, what are they gonna do once they have him? They can't live a normal life with him, send him to school, allow him to be seen in public, because they would be discovered pretty darn quickly.

 

[ParaK]

Hi to all. I have been reading everyones comments (thank you) and watching this case for a while and thought I would put my thoughts out there...
I feel like I should have a tin foil hat on when it comes to this case. Very very odd!

I just want to know why everyone connected is so so so quiet? Why isn't anyone connected speaking out in outrage at the lack of momentum in this case? Even anonymously there is silence basically. This doesn't sit right with me. If I had known a child in this position and cared for him and loved him then I would be talking non stop and trying to get answers. If I was bio family or if I was the foster family I would be publicly appearing even anonymously if that was the restrictions placed on me.

Things that don't sit right with me:
Apart from FF(60 mins etc) and GM no other family has spoken or released statements.
The set up of the Where's William group, selling "merchandise". Give out stickers for donations or something, but merchandise? Just no. It feels "hinky" to me.
The Where's William group and ff meeting with the Police and Justice Minister? Family connections to police? Just isn't a usual thing to happen.
The cars from the street. 12months later releasing details. I assume if they belonged to residents they would have returned at some stage after everything happened? And if they never returned then that would indicate they were involved? Surely this should be confirmed by police publicly?

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It is generally very well known he is a foster child and as such why haven't we heard anything from the government department about this? NSW Family and Community Services Minister Gabrielle Upton (FACS minister 2014-2015 now Attorney General) and Brad Hazzard (Previous Attorney General now FACS minister)?http://www.alecomm.com/index.php/ma...rents-whos-children-go-missing-in-foster-care

Most probably way way way off but thought I would put it out there... I hope William is found soon and answers come.[/FONT][/COLOR]

 

[bearbear]

what if police already know what happened to william and are watching the culprits and the paedophile angle is just a strategy to take focus away from what really happened?
and as a bonus in the meantime lots of filthy paedos get outed
my mind keeps going back to the caroline overington statement where she says we are all being lied to
i also find it tacky there is "merchandise' we can buy through the bravehearts campaign

 

[bearbear]

if william was taken by or for a bio he may have been taken to relatives overseas straight away with the belief hes better with family, especially if there was fear of a ff adoption looming?

 

[Hbayne]

if william was taken by or for a bio he may have been taken to relatives overseas straight away with the belief hes better with family, especially if there was fear of a ff adoption looming?

But how could that be done ? Passport would be an issue wouldn't it.

 

[frogwell]

The great advantage about not having anyone identified is WT may be spotted with a bio family member but the public wouldn't know that. The public may feel divided in dobbing in someone who is with their biological family. I don't think FACS want any of those gut wrenching details out in the public domain, especially if a parent was trying for restoration with their kids, or adoption was an option that was on the table. As an aside, I feel disturbed by a quote from WT's sister on the Where's William site, that said she felt sad when she thinks bad people have her brother. I just went to copy the quote but it has been removed. The 1st time I read it I kept wondering, what the hell is this poor child being told when it is not even known for certain that he has been abducted. I also find the subsequent campaign and insistence in the media that they are William's parents disturbing, they sure have found themselves completely burdened by the state government in this tragedy and I think they are going beyond the call for forster parents. MOO

 

[bearbear]

from earlier public information i assume he may have had a passport

 

[Hbayne]

from earlier public information i assume he may have had a passport

but the abductor would have to have it wouldn't they ? So many scenarios though. Who bloody knows !!!!!

 

[Warshawski]

This is a major sticking point with me as far as it being a planned abduction to return him to his bio family (though I don't personally get the sense that KT is involved at all). I don't believe WT and his sister have different fathers. And as I've said before, it was so easy to find out info in the early days about the foster family. Ridiculously easy, tbh ... frankly I'd be surprised if their location really had been a secret to anybody that really wanted to know where he'd been living. The FF was very public on FB until it all got shut down.

I really can't think of any scenario that actually fits. Not after all this time, with no suspects - a bunch of POIs yeah, but that's not the same as suspects, and so little new information. After being allocated such a huge taskforce if it was something as obvious as "the bio family took him" or "the fosters are hiding something" or "BS and co have him locally" I think he'd have been found or something would have been found e.g. during those searches of BS's properties that would have bumped BS and co up from POI to actual suspect. I completely doubt it's totally random and totally opportunistic, not given the location and the lack of evidence left behind.

Which leaves me just scratchin my head.

and I guess we are all with you Eloise - nothing fits, it's all beyond belief. This has no fit with who we are, personally or collectively.

However, may I just add a message for the perpetrators - please don't feel safe in any way, I'd suggest don't rest easy, because we don't give up. You are probably KNOWN, so many people behind bars have been lulled Into a false sense of security while that Key bit in the Court Defined 'with out doubt' incrimination is ABSOLUTE.

As a society, we are overwhelmingly protective of our kids - Your Time Will Come, and so will the Time of Your Protectors.

 

[sosocurious]

The great advantage about not having anyone identified is WT may be spotted with a bio family member but the public wouldn't know that. The public may feel divided in dobbing in someone who is with their biological family. I don't think FACS want any of those gut wrenching details out in the public domain, especially if a parent was trying for restoration with their kids, or adoption was an option that was on the table. As an aside, I feel disturbed by a quote from WT's sister on the Where's William site, that said she felt sad when she thinks bad people have her brother. I just went to copy the quote but it has been removed. The 1st time I read it I kept wondering, what the hell is this poor child being told when it is not even known for certain that he has been abducted. I also find the subsequent campaign and insistence in the media that they are William's parents disturbing, they sure have found themselves completely burdened by the state government in this tragedy and I think they are going beyond the call for forster parents. MOO

BBM ..... I agree

The little girl knows her baby brother is missing, but is still too young to grasp the horrific nature of the abduction.
&#8220;She has a very pragmatic view of the situation. She knows that he&#8217;s not here; she knows that a &#8220;bad person took William&#8221;; she knows the police are still looking for William,&#8221; her mum said.
&#8220;She knows that Gary [Jubelin] is the policeman who will find William and for her that is what is going to happen.

I hope he does and soon and not just false hope for William's sister.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/bb60bc6bbd37c1a354f59d0a5da35cce

 

[gregjrichards]

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BBM ..... I agree

The little girl knows her baby brother is missing, but is still too young to grasp the horrific nature of the abduction.
&#8220;She has a very pragmatic view of the situation. She knows that he&#8217;s not here; she knows that a &#8220;bad person took William&#8221;; she knows the police are still looking for William,&#8221; her mum said.
&#8220;She knows that Gary [Jubelin] is the policeman who will find William and for her that is what is going to happen.

I hope he does and soon and not just false hope for William's sister.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/bb60bc6bbd37c1a354f59d0a5da35cce

It's absolutely terrible. I hope and pray there is a breakthrough in the case soon it would be awful to reach the second anniversary of this tragic crime and be no further forward.

 

[crabstick]

Sounds like media talk. Anyone who has put it in the childs head that William is definitely coming back home needs a talking to. Or a psychologist to break the news.

Its not A Country practice or Blue Heelers. The media have put it on the cops. Its a big country, and it is big country.

The perps know their trade craft. They probably learned it in prison.

The cops may know who it is, but they need a enough cake to lock it in Eddie. What if they got off....

BBM ..... I agree

The little girl knows her baby brother is missing, but is still too young to grasp the horrific nature of the abduction.
&#8220;She has a very pragmatic view of the situation. She knows that he&#8217;s not here; she knows that a &#8220;bad person took William&#8221;; she knows the police are still looking for William,&#8221; her mum said.
&#8220;She knows that Gary [Jubelin] is the policeman who will find William and for her that is what is going to happen.

I hope he does and soon and not just false hope for William's sister.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/bb60bc6bbd37c1a354f59d0a5da35cce

In the real world, it takes a mistake by someone to get these people. In another case etc. Especially if the person has had no relationship with the victim.

It's absolutely terrible. I hope and pray there is a breakthrough in the case soon it would be awful to reach the second anniversary of this tragic crime and be no further forward.

 

[crabstick]

Still trying to think if someone was watching to see if the father left. Or it was just jack luck he wasnt there when the perp went past.

Who had his father go to speak to? or who had his father go to Skype in a better bandwidth? We are stuck when it comes to this. We need more info which we aint goin to get.

Im not implying his FP involved. Im trying to deduce an external source provided a decoy to take the child. Still cant stop thinking about no furniture tennants across the road.

 

[louisepiglet]

Maybe William's abduction was payback for someone.

 

[bearbear]

the trip to kendall on the thursday instead of the planned friday sounds like a quick decision, probably nothing, but maybe not if they had reason to feel threatened in some way,
people may have been expressing anger at the situation and pushing for change?
also regarding a passport its probably reasonably easy to get a child through customs on another childs passport?