Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #21

[Eloise]

Thank you for explaining. So if KT knew the foster parents, then why the need for all the secrecy? Is it to keep William's biological father from knowing who the foster parents are?

I think that's the most reasonable conclusion. The bio father was in prison.

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[Kyja]

Slightly off topic but two examples I know of regarding foster care are vastly different. One is brother and sister taken from bio parents and placed in numerous different foster homes before one set of fps decided they would like to adopt them. The bio parents fought for a little while before deciding it was all too hard and signed the adoption papers, this meant all ties to the bio family cut and an interstate move for the foster parents and newly adopted kids.
The other example is a new, single mother struggling with addiction. Her child was removed and placed with family but she has regular visits with the child and the foster parents are hoping to hand the child back to mums custody asap. I think the parents role in the whole process is determined by several things. Firstly the reason for taking the children from bio parents in the first place and secondly the parents willingness to change for the better. Of course every situation is unique and dealt with accordingly but hopefully this gives a little insight to foster care.

 

[Bohemian]

I think that's the most reasonable conclusion. The bio father was in prison.

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Do you think it was possible the original image was taken as a screenshot from a VoIP call in that circumstance?

 

[richieswan]

I think the red could be a reflection off the spiderman suit on the crappy web cam. Then the image was cleaned up. I guess we will only know when it is said.

Of course if the image was low DPI, bringing the DPI up may have left the red. But it is definitely a result of abuse as suggested on the net.

Crabs, is this a typo? Did you mean 'definitely NOT a result of abuse'? Unless you mean pixel abuse.

 

[crabstick]

When resolution is lowered, it can pick more colour from the reflection off say the spider man suit. Yes, pixel abuse.

When JPEGs are compressed the vectored pixels remove detail. So you end up with more pixels the same colour. Im not a JPEG algorithm specialist so I cant go into detail.

RAW used to be the only format admissible in court as it is the equivalent of the old negative film. I think it may of changed as new tech can analyse to assure unaltered JPEG

Unless it is the original, you are probably stuffed as it may not carry the original EXIF data

Crabs, is this a typo? Did you mean 'definitely NOT a result of abuse'? Unless you mean pixel abuse.

 

[Karinna]

Wow! 10 guests on William's thread. We must be discussing something interesting for a change. Hmm...

Is that a problem? I often read on the threads without signing in unless i have something to say & consequently post, but not sure if being a member of WS might show me up as being a guest?
If it does then maybe other members here do the same, so it could be just WS members that show up as being guests, but i stand to be corrected on that?
Looks like there is nothing new in this case anyway, just a rehash of stuff that has already been discussed previously, but i hope they can find out exactly WT's fate and what happened to him.

 

[Bohemian]

mmm. Sorry for replicate posts. I blame Tapatalk.

Go to the WS website and you should be able to input your login details and delete your duplicates, richie. Provided, of course, you're not outside the time limit for editing or deleting your posts.

 

[Bohemian]

When resolution is lowered, it can pick more colour from the reflection off say the spider man suit. Yes, pixel abuse.

When JPEGs are compressed the vectored pixels remove detail. So you end up with more pixels the same colour. Im not a JPEG algorithm specialist so I cant go into detail.

RAW used to be the only format admissible in court as it is the equivalent of the old negative film. I think it may of changed as new tech can analyse to assure unaltered JPEG

Unless it is the original, you are probably stuffed as it may not carry the original EXIF data

Thanks for your clarification, crabby.

 

[Bohemian]

Is that a problem? I often read on the threads without signing in unless i have something to say & consequently post, but not sure if being a member of WS might show me up as being a guest?
If it does then maybe other members here do the same, so it could be just WS members that show up as being guests, but i stand to be corrected on that?
Looks like there is nothing new in this case anyway, just a rehash of stuff that has already been discussed previously, but i hope they can find out exactly WT's fate and what happened to him.

No, no problem. Just unusual to have 10 guests rather than 0, 1, or 2. Yes, if you are a registered member you show up as a guest if you don't login. As for other WSers doing the same as you, I couldn't say. Regarding your opinion that 'there is nothing new in this case anyway, just a rehash of stuff that has already been discussed previously', I respectfully disagree. My greatest wish is that DI Jubelin and Task Force Rosann investigators find William alive and well.

 

[richieswan]

Is that a problem? I often read on the threads without signing in unless i have something to say & consequently post, but not sure if being a member of WS might show me up as being a guest?
If it does then maybe other members here do the same, so it could be just WS members that show up as being guests, but i stand to be corrected on that?
Looks like there is nothing new in this case anyway, just a rehash of stuff that has already been discussed previously, but i hope they can find out exactly WT's fate and what happened to him.

I think we are just getting started. We seem to have all info we will get (for the moment) so we can now look at the whole picture (pieces that is). I'm learning a lot going back over the old issues. I'm sure Jubes and his team repeatedly go over from the start. For me, just looking at the 60 Minutes episode again sparked new ideas. For example. There is a constant reference to one position on the street: opposite the cars, down the grass slope towards the street, where Jubes explains the opportunistic grab. One spot. Same spot. There. Then.

 

[Bohemian]

ah ha, left it too late. The edit option vanished. Thanks Zoo

I don't know if you can report your own posts from Tapatalk but I can see that option on the 'Full Site'. As I'm not sure who is our mod, I 'reported' your first duplicate post and asked our mod to remove the following two.

 

[Karinna]

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I must say i disagree that if WT was abducted by a stranger if alive he would be well. If a family member of some sort abducted him then there would possibly be a chance of that, but a stranger abduction not so much. And then in a high profile case there is no way he would still be alive IMO, sadly, as happens in so many other missing child cases that are followed on WS.

 

[Makara]

I think that's the most reasonable conclusion. The bio father was in prison.

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And how do you know that Eloise? You have made a number of comments in regard to William's BF and I understand that you are stymied by WS TOS but it makes it difficult to decipher what you're referring to.

 

[Makara]

The bottom line is with any photos that are taken from a phone or a camera, the metadata will reveal when and where that photo was taken. The 'roar' pic of William for example was supposedly taken on the morning he disappeared. Whether that photo was taken on a phone or on a camera, the image contains metadata which can be read by anyone, including forensic police. If that metadata was removed or altered in any way the police would be fully aware and would be treating it as suspicious. That doesn't seem to be to case.

That same MSM pic of William would have been compressed to a smaller file for publication, either as a jpg, a png or a tif file. MSM prefers a tif file. In turn, that photo is then copied and uploaded to the www so many times that we really lose all concept of the original photo.

IMO it is a total waste of time to try and read anything into the last photo of William taken on the morning he disappeared. There is nothing to analyse IMO. What happened after that photo was taken is another matter entirely.

 

[Bohemian]

I think we are just getting started. We seem to have all info we will get (for the moment) so we can now look at the whole picture (pieces that is). I'm learning a lot going back over the old issues. I'm sure Jubes and his team repeatedly go over from the start. For me, just looking at the 60 Minutes episode again sparked new ideas. For example. There is a constant reference to one position on the street: opposite the cars, down the grass slope towards the street, where Jubes explains the opportunistic grab. One spot. Same spot. There. Then.

I have to agree with you, richie, we are just getting (re)started. The more the publicly available information is revisited (and new information added) a more holistic picture is able to be created of possible motive, perpetrator(s) and circumstances of William's alleged abduction.

I'll have another look at the 60 Minutes' episode. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[sosocurious]

DN back in court.
22 June at Port Macquarie

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw....160001631414336582MentionPolice/derek nichols

 

[Bohemian]

DN back in court.
22 June at Port Macquarie

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw....160001631414336582MentionPolice/derek nichols

Thanks, soso x

 

[Eloise]

And how do you know that Eloise? You have made a number of comments in regard to William's BF and I understand that you are stymied by WS TOS but it makes it difficult to decipher what you're referring to.

More like stymied by the fact the MSM can't tell the whole story. But like everything about this case that isnt the miniscule amount of information FACS have deemed it acceptable for the public to believe, it's 'rumour'.

JMO but if we can only stick to whats published, then nothing is worth discussing. Caroline Overington's attempt to let people know that what is in the media is lies was enough for me.

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[Bohemian]

More like stymied by the fact the MSM can't tell the whole story. But like everything about this case that isnt the miniscule amount of information FACS have deemed it acceptable for the public to believe, it's 'rumour'.

JMO but if we can only stick to whats published, then nothing is worth discussing. Caroline Overington's attempt to let people know that what is in the media is lies was enough for me.

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I'm with you, Eloise (and I prefer the term 'conjecture' to 'rumour'

 

[louisepiglet]

I totally agree Eloise. IMO the pedo angle is a red herring or, at the least, only part of the story.