Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #22

[Wexford]

If the second report is correct, then FM and A-MS knocked on LH's door 20 minutes after police arrived (at 11:09am).

Hadn't FGM had an operation recently? I think it is unlikely she would have been running around knocking on doors and someone would have to have stayed at home in case he returned (and of course to look after the other child).

 

[Bohemian]

OT and sorry to interrupt but any Victorians here?

Active search for 13 year old girl:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...arah-Kolomalu-13-Craigieburn-VIC-24-June-2016

 

[JLZ]

Hadn't FGM had an operation recently? I think it is unlikely she would have been running around knocking on doors and someone would have to have stayed at home in case he returned (and of course to look after the other child).

If she was well enough to go home on her own she could probably cross the road in an emergency.

 

[bearbear]

heres one of the clips from bravehearts on channel seven news sunday but different to the one i saw, so will keep looking
[video=twitter;746984070060531712]https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/746984070060531712[/video]

 

[Bohemian]

If the second report is correct, then FM and A-MS knocked on LH's door 20 minutes after police arrived (at 11:09am).

BBM.

Hadn't FGM had an operation recently? I think it is unlikely she would have been running around knocking on doors and someone would have to have stayed at home in case he returned (and of course to look after the other child).

Yes, Inspector, but that wasn't my point. If the Daily Telegraph article is correct, it could point to a possible lack of control of a potential crime scene and coordination by the relevant local authorities at a crucial time early into the search for, and investigation into, William's disappearance. Another valid reason to call for a Coronial inquiry, according to Hetty Johnston (in the case of Tiahleigh Palmer):

The Weekend Australian Magazine
Tiahleigh Palmer: the Queensland schoolgirl murder case that sparked an inquiry
Trent Dalton
The Australian
12:00am February 27, 2016

'"There’s a great difficulty with kids in foster care,” says Hetty Johnston, founder and chair of national child protection advocacy group Bravehearts. “The state, in effect, is their parent. So, who talks? Do the foster parents? Does the relinquishing parent come out and speak up and risk the community unfairly throwing stuff at them like, ‘It’s your fault and this wouldn’t have happened if you were a better parent?’ Or is it the government’s role to talk to the media?"'

Whatever happens from here, whatever answers emerge, the landscape of police investigation in Queensland will be changed by the disappearance and death of Tiahleigh Palmer.

“Like everybody, I was incredibly surprised that it took so long to issue an Amber Alert,” says Johnston. “That’s why we have called for, and the Premier has accepted our call, for an inquiry into the death of Tiahleigh Palmer. And we asked for it to be broader than just how the Child Safety Department responded to it; we’re also interested in how the school and Education Queensland managed it and how the police and community and NGOs managed it. We’ve asked for it to include the wider child protection system.

"We should look at every child exactly the same, and I’m not saying that’s not what happened here, but it’s logical that with kids that are known to police for not being where they’re supposed to be, the police are not going to be as panicked as they would be with a child they’ve never heard of, like a little William Tyrrell."'

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/lif...y/news-story/2b730650eb869b1ab11a3bb7d75dae7d

 

[JLZ]

Bohemian . . . not sure I follow? You mean it was incorrect protocol for police to allow parents to mobilize neighbours? What if William had wandered off and he met an accident or an attacker a short time later, and police had prevented available searchers from looking (and maybe preventing the misadventure?)

 

[Bohemian]

Bohemian . . . not sure I follow? You mean it was incorrect protocol for police to allow parents to mobilize neighbours? What if William had wandered off and he met an accident or an attacker a short time later, and police had prevented available searchers from looking (and maybe preventing the misadventure?)

No, not at all, JLZ. Of course, every available able-bodied person should be mobilised to search for a missing child. My hope is that the search was co-ordinated quickly and effectively with adequate police resources.

I am thinking in hindsight from an evidentiary and forensic POV. If not preserved, a potential crime scene close to or on the property where William disappeared was likely to have been damaged or destroyed by searchers; thus compromising any subsequent investigation into a potential abduction IMO.

What's colouring my thoughts recently are the instances where responses from relevant local authorities have been less than adequate for varying reasons such as in the cases of the three children murdered on different occasions in Bowraville and of Tiahleigh Palmer. Now another child has failed to attend school on Friday in Victoria and is still missing today.

I find it hard to accept emotionally that vulnerable children such as William can seemingly vanish from the face of the earth and, nearly two years later, no one seems any closer to knowing what became of him. Although I know logically this type of crime can and does happen.

The secrecy surrounding William doesn't seem to have helped investigators or William's FF mount an sustained MSM campaign to find him. William's 5th birthday, which I would think would be an opportune time to refresh people's memories about his disappearance went largely unreported in MSM; save for a few 'news bites' as far as I can see.

I think it's time, if at all possible, that a Coronal inquiry is called for; similar to the one slated for Tiahleigh Palmer, to bring some transparency to and public understanding of the facts of the case.

 

[Bohemian]

heres one of the clips from bravehearts on channel seven news sunday but different to the one i saw, so will keep looking
[video=twitter;746984070060531712]https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/746984070060531712[/video]

For some reason the link to the video didn't show in your post but here's another:

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/2240476/1124674

From:

https://mobile.twitter.com/7NewsSydney
@7NewsSydney

'On his 5th birthday we're being reminded not to forget William Tyrrell, who disappeared almost 2 years ago. #7News http://snpy.tv/295DZeA'

https://mobile.twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/746984070060531712

 

[stormyseas]

For reference and comparison purposes:
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The boy no one can find
The Australian Women's Weekly
by Michael Sheather
Apr 22, 2015

'In late 2014 The Weekly's Michael Sheather travelled to the town of Kendall where William went missing, to investigate why this case was like no other. He filed this report.

It was a knock at the door, but instinctively Lydene Heslop knew something was wrong.

It was so much more than just a knock,” recalls Lydene, a 36-year-old mother of two and volunteer bookkeeper for the local tennis club, on whose accounts she was working at time. “It was hard, insistent, a plea for help. Then I heard the voice of the woman who was knocking and I knew something awful had happened. It was a voice tinged with desperation.”

That voice belonged to the mother of a missing boy, William Tyrell, a three-year-old last seen wearing a blue and red Spiderman outfit, whose disappearance on September 12 last year has baffled NSW police and cast a dark and enduring pall over Kendall, a small and otherwise peaceful rural community on the NSW mid-North Coast.

“The mother and the grandmother were standing at the door. The mother said a little boy was missing, that he was playing in the backyard up the road and hadn’t been seen for about 25 minutes or so,” says Lydene. “She asked if I’d seen him, but of course, I was inside. I called out to my children, who were playing out the back, and asked if they’d seen him, but they hadn’t and then all three of us started searching through the front yard, the side of the house and the backyard and the bush that borders the properties around here.

“The mother had this haunted look on her face. I remember thinking that was how I would look if one of my children went missing. At one point, we all stopped to listen because he was only a little boy and if he was in the bush, then it wouldn’t have been long before he stopped and started crying. We didn’t hear a thing except the wind in the trees.”'

'Many more believe that he is alive, among them Lydene Heslop. “I think somebody out there has him and is caring for him,” she says. “It might be that he is disguised, maybe dressed up as a girl and living another life. I think they will find him, but it might take years.”'

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/crime/the-boy-no-one-can-find-20289
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Toddler William Tyrrell’s disappearance still haunts Kendall residents almost a year later
Lia Harris (in Kendall)
The Sunday Telegraph
September 6, 2015 9:19am

Lydene Heslop also had a hectic morning grocery shopping and was unloading bags from her car before taking them inside.

On that fateful morning of September 12 last year, chance and life conspired to ensure people who would normally have a bird’s-eye view as William and his sister played in the sunshine weren’t there.

Shortly after 10.30am, three-year-old William vanished.'

'At 10.35am on September 12, a number of people could have been expected to be there to stop William being taken.

Except on that day, at that time, they weren’t.'

'Another Benaroon Dr resident, Lydene Heslop, who lives further down the street, had been grocery shopping and *returned home minutes before William vanished.

She saw nothing out of the ordinary when she drove into the street and pulled into her driveway.

She said she was unloading groceries from her car when William was snatched sometime after 10.30am, just metres away from her home where her youngest child was inside.'

(Picture: Lindsay Moller. Lydene Heslop with her three children 9, 7, and 4, who lives on Benaroon Dr, now walks her children to the bus stop each morning since the disappearance of William Tyrrell.)

'She said at 11.30am there was a knock on the door and it was Anne-Maree from up the road and William’s mother.

“I didn’t hear anything, so if the person who took him came down Benaroon Dr, they did it without panicking or driving fast or taking off like an idiot, because I would’ve heard,” Ms Heslop said.

“That’s pretty good luck. Especially at 10.30am on a Friday when there should only be one kid on the street, which is mine.”'

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/03fb14d003bfb73d3c193b5f6731f74c
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BBM
I've always found the timing around when William went missing quite intriguing. Not only did he go missing shortly after his FF went into town, but LH arrived home literally minutes before he was said to be missing. She reported that nothing was unusual in the street upon her return home. I wonder, given that she had a little one in the car with her on the way home, whether she may have been followed by somebody with sinister intentions who then noticed a much easier target in William? IMO

 

[stormyseas]

I've been following this thread for a long time, but can't recall if the following has ever been suggested as linked to William's case?
http://www.news.com.au/national/lac...mant-court-hears/story-e6frfkp9-1225935121120IMO

 

[PainExpress]

No, not at all, JLZ. Of course, every available able-bodied person should be mobilised to search for a missing child. My hope is that the search was co-ordinated quickly and effectively with adequate police resources.

I am thinking in hindsight from an evidentiary and forensic POV. If not preserved, a potential crime scene close to or on the property where William disappeared was likely to have been damaged or destroyed by searchers; thus compromising any subsequent investigation into a potential abduction IMO.

What's colouring my thoughts recently are the instances where responses from relevant local authorities have been less than adequate for varying reasons such as in the cases of the three children murdered on different occasions in Bowraville and of Tiahleigh Palmer. Now another child has failed to attend school on Friday in Victoria and is still missing today.

I find it hard to accept emotionally that vulnerable children such as William can seemingly vanish from the face of the earth and, nearly two years later, no one seems any closer to knowing what became of him. Although I know logically this type of crime can and does happen.

The secrecy surrounding William doesn't seem to have helped investigators or William's FF mount an sustained MSM campaign to find him. William's 5th birthday, which I would think would be an opportune time to refresh people's memories about his disappearance went largely unreported in MSM; save for a few 'news bites' as far as I can see.

I think it's time, if at all possible, that a Coronal inquiry is called for; similar to the one slated for Tiahleigh Palmer, to bring some transparency to and public understanding of the facts of the case.

It's total ******** the way the law protects the offenders against vulnerable children . The state is absolutely complicit with this.

The NSW government killed William.

Come after me if you dare. You lowly pencil pushers.

 

[they'll get you]

If she was well enough to go home on her own she could probably cross the road in an emergency.

I vaguely remember GM had knee or hip surgery. Please tell me if I'm wrong but didn't Margaret Spedding have a similar op around the same time?
Coincidence.

 

[butterstick]

From the Women's Weekly article I get the impression that LH gave William's mother a bit of a brush-off initially. "She asked if I'd seen him, but of course, I was inside. I called out to my children, who were playing out the back, and asked if they'd seen him, but they hadn't . . . ." So perhaps William's mother returned later with the other neighbour for support and asked again, and that's when LH joined searching. It appears from the Daily Telegraph article that "of course, I was inside" was actually incorrect, as LH then says that at the time of William's disappearance she was unloading groceries from her car and had just driven in.

But nobody knows the exact time he vanished - at least, not down to the exact minute. It took time for it to be noticed, and time again for it to be taken seriously.

The FM and GM have a vague notion of the time, but there is a window of some minutes. In any case, people misremember things.

Carrying groceries from a car could take anywhere from 10 seconds to 5 minutes or more. After that she is inside unpacking. William's window of possible disappearance could overlap all of that.

 

[frogwell]

I've been following this thread for a long time, but can't recall if the following has ever been suggested as linked to William's case?
http://www.news.com.au/national/lac...mant-court-hears/story-e6frfkp9-1225935121120IMO

Yes, that info has been covered in earlier threads, without anything conclusively pointing to Andrew Tyrrell as a relative of WT's. MOO

 

[frogwell]

I vaguely remember GM had knee or hip surgery. Please tell me if I'm wrong but didn't Margaret Spedding have a similar op around the same time?
Coincidence.

My understanding is that MS had surgery from months up to a year before the FGM had hers. MOO

 

[Hbayne]

I've been following this thread for a long time, but can't recall if the following has ever been suggested as linked to William's case?
http://www.news.com.au/national/lac...mant-court-hears/story-e6frfkp9-1225935121120IMO

That's the first time I've read about this guy. Who knows, could be a grandfather to William ?

 

[they'll get you]

My understanding is that MS had surgery from months up to a year before the FGM had hers. MOO

In this YouTube channel 10 news clip MS was limping.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=kBQhdvruBU4

 

[bearbear]

I've been following this thread for a long time, but can't recall if the following has ever been suggested as linked to William's case?
http://www.news.com.au/national/lac...mant-court-hears/story-e6frfkp9-1225935121120IMO

i think someone here referred to this person a thread or two back as someone of interest, cant remember who though sorry

 

[bearbear]

i was hoping williams 5th birthday would prompt a message from either f or bio parents or relatives or a police statement regarding progress or pleas for info etc, but nothing, just a snippet from bravehearts on tv and mention of a macquarie cake stall, i feel this has sadly become another missing child cold case which is understandable when theres no news, and every day more children go missing, people move on when they feel theres nothing they can do
the public need more information to get this little boy found

 

[krig101]

i was hoping williams 5th birthday would prompt a message from either f or bio parents or relatives or a police statement regarding progress or pleas for info etc, but nothing, just a snippet from bravehearts on tv and mention of a macquarie cake stall, i feel this has sadly become another missing child cold case which is understandable when theres no news, and every day more children go missing, people move on when they feel theres nothing they can do
the public need more information to get this little boy found

Agreed. The lack of attention this time around was sadly noticeable from last year.