Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #22

[they'll get you]

This child has been taken by a woman known to her. Is it her mother or bio family & who are the men travelling in another vehicle? Could it be the toddler's bio family members?

Sounding familiar? It'll be interesting if the toddler had a 'complicated history' like William.

Again, no names of either the toddler or the abductors. (yet).
Car has NSW plates but the baby was taken from a Queensland town, long distance abduction?



Queensland Police have issued an Amber Alert for a 18-month-old girl, who disappeared this morning and may be at significant risk.

The toddler was last seen at an address in Rosewood, west of Ipswich, and was taken by a woman known to her.

Police believe the pair may be travelling in a small white Hyundai i30, with unknown New South Wales registration plates, or a black Subaru Impreza.

The pair might also be in the company of two other men in another one of the vehicles.

The girl is Caucasian in appearance and has blonde hair.


Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/...missing-18-month-old-girl#rTCFFsf8KGA8lAO4.99

 

[krig101]

This child has been taken by a woman known to her. Is it her mother or bio family & who are the men travelling in another vehicle? Could it be the toddler's bio family members?

Sounding familiar? It'll be interesting if the toddler had a 'complicated history' like William.

Again, no names of either the toddler or the abductors. (yet).
Car has NSW plates but the baby was taken from a Queensland town, long distance abduction?



Queensland Police have issued an Amber Alert for a 18-month-old girl, who disappeared this morning and may be at significant risk.

The toddler was last seen at an address in Rosewood, west of Ipswich, and was taken by a woman known to her.

Police believe the pair may be travelling in a small white Hyundai i30, with unknown New South Wales registration plates, or a black Subaru Impreza.

The pair might also be in the company of two other men in another one of the vehicles.

The girl is Caucasian in appearance and has blonde hair.


Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/...missing-18-month-old-girl#rTCFFsf8KGA8lAO4.99

Wait? An Amber Alert was issued but no names or photos? How are the public supposed to know who they are looking for? 🤔 Am I missing something here?

 

[Eloise]

people move on when they feel theres nothing they can do
the public need more information to get this little boy found

This ^^^

FACS or whoever needs to forget protocol or fear of blame or legal action and put William ahead of bureaucracy. We need to know. The public were called on to help and to provide info and we get nothing in return. For all we know William's abductor is stalking another victim as we speak and its sickening to me. NSW government is crooked. Now I understand that crazy guy who used to sit outside Parliament House with his cardboard signs about pollies being corrupt pedophiles.


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[louisepiglet]

This child has been taken by a woman known to her. Is it her mother or bio family & who are the men travelling in another vehicle? Could it be the toddler's bio family members?

Sounding familiar? It'll be interesting if the toddler had a 'complicated history' like William.

Again, no names of either the toddler or the abductors. (yet).
Car has NSW plates but the baby was taken from a Queensland town, long distance abduction?



Queensland Police have issued an Amber Alert for a 18-month-old girl, who disappeared this morning and may be at significant risk.

The toddler was last seen at an address in Rosewood, west of Ipswich, and was taken by a woman known to her.

Police believe the pair may be travelling in a small white Hyundai i30, with unknown New South Wales registration plates, or a black Subaru Impreza.

The pair might also be in the company of two other men in another one of the vehicles.

The girl is Caucasian in appearance and has blonde hair.


Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/...missing-18-month-old-girl#rTCFFsf8KGA8lAO4.99

I just read a post on social media from the mother of this child who states that the child's non custodial father took the child from NSW into Queensland against orders and stopped all contact. The mother has discovered where he is and taken the child back.

 

[they'll get you]

I just read a post on social media from the mother of this child who states that the child's non custodial father took the child from NSW into Queensland against orders and stopped all contact. The mother has discovered where he is and taken the child back.

Thanx. The little one was taken by her bios. IYKWIM.

 

[bearbear]

Agreed. The lack of attention this time around was sadly noticeable from last year.

and if hes not found by his 6th birthday there will be nothing, so another missing child fades off to oblivion

 

[they'll get you]

Luckily authorities knew which family member took her.
Who's got William?


An 18-month-old girl who disappeared this morning west of Ipswich has been found safe and well.

Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/world/2016/...missing-18-month-old-girl#CeKZ0XG3qcj4vwUi.99

 

[butterstick]

Caroline Overington said:

"the ban means that the public is hearing only part of the story"
​

and:

"hundreds of journalists, hundreds of police, plenty of people in the community know more than that, but it’s against the law for any of them – for any of us - to explain it to you"​

This doesn't add up to me.

If there was anything explosive at play here, somebody surely would of spoken out. It just takes one person.

I can only assume there is nothing the public needs to know.

The main thing we are missing is a public face. A parent or guardian, to champion his cause.

Except Natalie Collins spoke out readily enough as his biological grandmother, so I sometimes question the wider reluctance. It just doesn't add up to me.

 

[bearbear]

Caroline Overington said:

"the ban means that the public is hearing only part of the story"
​

and:

"hundreds of journalists, hundreds of police, plenty of people in the community know more than that, but it’s against the law for any of them – for any of us - to explain it to you"​

This doesn't add up to me.

If there was anything explosive at play here, somebody surely would of spoken out. It just takes one person.

I can only assume there is nothing the public needs to know.

The main thing we are missing is a public face. A parent or guardian, to champion his cause.

Except Natalie Collins spoke out readily enough as his biological grandmother, so I sometimes question the wider reluctance. It just doesn't add up to me.

and, from memory, didnt she also say we are being told lies?
yes, if just one person in the community decided to speak whos going to punish them? how do you gag a community?

 

[Eloise]

and deom memory didnt she also said we being told lies?
yes, if just one person in the community decided to speak whos going to punish them. how do you gag a community?

Someone else used the example of Derryn Hinch as a reason why nobody is saying anything enlightening about the case. His punishment was pretty severe. WT's bio GM didn't really say much that was revealing. I thought her thing would maybe start something in motion but it did not.

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[they'll get you]

I honestly think there is a court case in progress and they can't identify the sister or another child.
It could be an adoption or a custody battle in progress. :thinking:

When it comes to keeping the identity of a young victim secret everything tends to lock down which I think is fair. The poor child needs to live privately without a backlash of any kind. Even the perpetrator's name can be withheld to protect the child, especially when it's a member of the family. We've seen it before.

 

[Eloise]

I honestly think there is a court case in progress and they can't identify the sister or another child.
It could be an adoption or a custody battle in progress. :thinking:

When it comes to keeping the identity of a young victim secret everything tends to lock down which I think is fair. The poor child needs to live privately without a backlash of any kind. Even the perpetrator's name can be withheld to protect the child, especially when it's a member of the family. We've seen it before.

I believe they absolutely were going to adopt WT and his sister. I don't know if WT's disappearance would have affected them being able to proceed. Even if they adopted LT I wonder if it was possible to adopt WT in absentia?

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[they'll get you]

My friend who is in her mid 60's had to fight DOCS & the carers who wanted to adopt her two grandchildren. It was a lengthy & expensive legal battle and it looked like the carers were going to win because my friend was considered too old to take on a six month old and a 2 year old.

She won full custody!

The drug effected bios regularly cause trouble for her and unfortunately she had to place a restraining order on the abusive bio father who threatens he'll come snatch HIS kids one day.

Seven years later those children know they are loved by their grandmother and never have I seen a more happier loving trio. Gosh those children are well adjusted, respectful and so happy.

That friend is one of six grandparents, I know, who have full custody and are rearing their grandchildren.

Some children don't have the same chance.

All because of bloody drugs!

 

[Wexford]

I honestly think there is a court case in progress and they can't identify the sister or another child.
It could be an adoption or a custody battle in progress. :thinking:

When it comes to keeping the identity of a young victim secret everything tends to lock down which I think is fair. The poor child needs to live privately without a backlash of any kind. Even the perpetrator's name can be withheld to protect the child, especially when it's a member of the family. We've seen it before.

You could be right....but why would a journalist claim that lies are being told and that it feels wrong? That indicates to me that this case differs quite dramatically from others. It bothers me a lot that a journalist would speak out so strongly and I do understand and take into account that some of it could stem from frustration from the journalist due to not being able to publish a 'good' story. There are only a few things that can shut people up so very firmly that I can think of.

 

[they'll get you]

You could be right....but why would a journalist claim that lies are being told and that it feels wrong? That indicates to me that this case differs quite dramatically from others. It bothers me a lot that a journalist would speak out so strongly and I do understand and take into account that some of it could stem from frustration from the journalist due to not being able to publish a 'good' story. There are only a few things that can shut people up so very firmly that I can think of.

SIBLINGS ? The privacy order could be from the bios. So many plurals in this!!

William Tyrrell's parents: Why we won't reveal our identity


William Tyrrell’s mum and dad have finally spoken out about why they have not shown their faces to the public since their boy was abducted, saying they want to protect his young siblings.

Along with a complicated family history preventing them from being legally identified, William’s mum and dad say they would not put themselves in the public eye regardless, because they do not want his other siblings to be identified.

“It’s important because there are children involved and they’re young. They deserve an opportunity for privacy,” his mum said.

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http://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting...rells-parents-why-we-wont-reveal-our-identity

 

[bearbear]

maybe by siblings the ff are referring to the new baby as well as williams bio sister, im sre i read the fm was due to give birth in the months around wiliam going missing?

 

[frogwell]

I can't help but imagine that there has been robust meetings behind the scenes between NSW FACS and NSW Police over this case. NSW police are essentially carrying the can for decisions made by another department and are the only ones who have had to face the public over these inhibiting policies.

Caroline Overington's WW article
http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/n...ver-hear-the-truth-about-william-tyrell-22122

The people who went on TV have a compelling story to tell. It&#8217;s the true story of William Tyrell. And as things stand, you&#8217;ll never get to hear it, writes Caroline Overington.

I take that to mean that the full story around WT is known to be factual and if known by the public would rally them to further action and we are not going to hear it. Considering the FP's have talked about what they experienced the day WT disappeared, and don't know where he disappeared to, I can only think that the missing information has to do with events prior to his disappearance.

So if something that seems pertinent to WT's disappearance is being concealed, what could it be and should the public be informed?

A few scenarios;

Someone from WT's complicated history has taken him, motivation before WT's disappearance has been established. Would the police have pursued such a public investigation if this was the case? Usually not, I would think. If the person/people were deemed dangerous, would the police publish details of that person or would they think that WT may be in danger by doing so? If that were the case, would they not have pursued the case more quietly, behind the scenes?

There was evidence of WT or family being at some type of risk, harassment, harm from people known to them prior to WT's disappearance? This includes employment, community, churches, clubs, online activity, people from govt. depts.,..... I think the police would probe publicly most people on that list unless they were a part of a govt. dept, especially FACS as they would be seen to be undermining a govt. institution that needs the community's confidence to be operative.

There is in fact a paedophile network operating around the Kendall and police need more evidence to have convictions? They have let the public know this via the media and are hoping the public will take more vigilance with their children?

There is a single predator that was in Kendall the morning WT disappeared? Police have an idea who this person is? Is this person connected to other crimes they are investigating and have been investigating this person for some time behind the scenes? I guess by having the idea published that a pedo ring operating in the area it makes people in the area vigilant however if the person is moving around the state or interstate would they try to communicate to more of Australia about a hidden danger?

Are there other scenarios if he was abducted?

 

[Violet77]

SIBLINGS ? The privacy order could be from the bios. So many plurals in this!!

William Tyrrell's parents: Why we won't reveal our identity


William Tyrrell&#8217;s mum and dad have finally spoken out about why they have not shown their faces to the public since their boy was abducted, saying they want to protect his young siblings.

Along with a complicated family history preventing them from being legally identified, William&#8217;s mum and dad say they would not put themselves in the public eye regardless, because they do not want his other siblings to be identified.

&#8220;It&#8217;s important because there are children involved and they&#8217;re young. They deserve an opportunity for privacy,&#8221; his mum said.
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http://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting...rells-parents-why-we-wont-reveal-our-identity

I took that as referring to KT's two younger boys, she had regular contact with W&LT, & from what I've read, the older boy in her care was involved in those visits as the second one wasn't born until after William went missing.
Revealing the FP identity would reveal LT, possibly her foster situation & it wouldn't be hard to connect the dots from there, which a lot of people obviously already have.

 

[Violet77]

maybe by siblings the ff are referring to the new baby as well as williams bio sister, im sre i read the fm was due to give birth in the months around wiliam going missing?

That was KT, Williams bio Mum, she was pregnant with her fourth child at the time of Williams disappearance, she currently has two boys in her care.

 

[frogwell]

SIBLINGS ? The privacy order could be from the bios. So many plurals in this!!

William Tyrrell's parents: Why we won't reveal our identity


William Tyrrell&#8217;s mum and dad have finally spoken out about why they have not shown their faces to the public since their boy was abducted, saying they want to protect his young siblings.

Along with a complicated family history preventing them from being legally identified, William&#8217;s mum and dad say they would not put themselves in the public eye regardless, because they do not want his other siblings to be identified.

&#8220;It&#8217;s important because there are children involved and they&#8217;re young. They deserve an opportunity for privacy,&#8221; his mum said.

<modsnip>


http://www.kidspot.com.au/parenting...rells-parents-why-we-wont-reveal-our-identity

So the main point is for privacy, not because it puts them at risk of endangerment. I wonder if endangerment was a reason as well and that reason was not able to be published?