Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #22

[Karinna]

This is exactly what they did 30 years ago ... check out the recent article on "The Family". Today we utilise child psychologists, social workers, technology and several decades of research to better protect kids. Just recently I've delved back into Melbourne crime in the 80s. Police report stuff like being actively involved in the Hoddle St massacre, having a shower and going back out to work, not a debrief nor counsellor in sight, let alone a good night's sleep.

But their reason for not prosecuting the case against the two minor girls was the sensitivity of the nature of the crime for the little girls back then and that is not a good enough reason as far as i'm concerned. As msm articles have mentioned it was never a question of the girl's being molested because medical records proved the case.

 

[JLZ]

But their reason for not prosecuting the case against the two minor girls was the sensitivity of the nature of the crime for the little girls back then and that is not a good enough reason as far as i'm concerned. As msm articles have mentioned it was never a question of the girl's being molested because medical records proved the case.

I thought you were saying that shielding the girls couldn't have been the reason for not prosecuting, and were implying that there must have been another reason such as political involvement. Whereas you're only saying that it wasn't a good reason?

 

[Karinna]

I thought you were saying that shielding the girls couldn't have been the reason for not prosecuting, and were implying that there must have been another reason such as political involvement. Whereas you're only saying that it wasn't a good reason?

Yes i said the reason given in msm articles was that the case was not prosecuted some 30 years ago because of the sensitivity of the nature of the crimes against the two girls, and i have not read of any other reasons apart from the case being a very weak one because of what Judge Bellew has previously stated when he granted BS bail. I never implied about anything about political involvement and haven't read about anything like that.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/william-spedding-granted-bail-in-supreme-court/6558628

 

[purpleandgreen]

Agree completely Bo. How on earth will they ever 'recover' when surrounded by evil minds of the same ilk. I would hate to think any of these dregs would ever be sitting next to my grandchildren while they're out having coffee, doing groceries etc. And I certainly think there are few jobs where they could truly be trusted to not use it as an avenue to ply their perversions. Only one safe place for them to get a steady income from a 'job' and that's behind bars.

 

[Bohemian]

The legal solution is lifetime in jail. That's the only way our children can be safe.

I'm concerned if someone isn't scathing of pedophilia. It has no place in our society.

Yup, life without parole - and that's only because I don't think the death penalty is morally correct.

 

[Karinna]

The legal solution is lifetime in jail. That's the only way our children can be safe.

I'm concerned if someone isn't scathing of pedophilia. It has no place in our society.

ITA that child molestors/paedophiles have no place in society when they are able to hurt & abuse our most vulnerable citizens, our children. The problem is too that a lot of people in the higher up positions of our society are paedophiles and protect each other. I think i read a while back that in the U.K. they are trying to pass it off as a mental illness. I don't agree. In my mind it is a premeditated plan to prey on the vulnerable for their sick perversions. Totally zero tolerance is what's necessary IMO.

 

[Karinna]

The legal solution is lifetime in jail. That's the only way our children can be safe.

I'm concerned if someone isn't scathing of pedophilia. It has no place in our society.

Or exiled to some remote place where they can't prey on children.

 

[Karinna]

I also think another very dreadful tragedy for children having to be subjected to such horror is that in a lot of cases the molestation is perpetrated in their own homes by a parent they should be able to trust. I could think of nothing worse for a child having to endure that or other types of physical abuse. It is just heartbreaking.

 

[Wexford]

This is exactly what they did 30 years ago ... check out the recent article on "The Family". Today we utilise child psychologists, social workers, technology and several decades of research to better protect kids. Just recently I've delved back into Melbourne crime in the 80s. Police report stuff like being actively involved in the Hoddle St massacre, having a shower and going back out to work, not a debrief nor counsellor in sight, let alone a good night's sleep.

Agree. I was in high school in the 80s. I remember The Family (if this is the same issue also known as Children of God) issue well as some of the kids lived near where I was living and a friend's father was one of the DOCs workers involved. When the kids were returned he resigned. It was very common for any sort of sex crimes not to be pursued (not just against kids) because the fear of having to relive the experience and face the perpetrator was highlighted to the victims - the court system was different then. It was also very common for the victim to have to go through the whole experience again in court in front of the accused with no result and often made to feel like they were the accused. I can imagine that a protective parent given the choices may have very easily opted to get the kids the hell away rather than go through that with a chance of no result.

 

[ozazure]

But their reason for not prosecuting the case against the two minor girls was the sensitivity of the nature of the crime for the little girls back then and that is not a good enough reason as far as i'm concerned. As msm articles have mentioned it was never a question of the girl's being molested because medical records proved the case.

As I said, in the past this was not unusual and obviously most people hold the belief now that it is not acceptable, hence the historic sexual abuse cases being prosecuted everywhere. There really isn't much more to be read into their failure to prosecute 30 years ago aside from attitudes and lack of frameworks to support victims - nothing specific to Bill Spedding 30 years ago. In another 30 years we will hopefully be even better at protecting victim's rights.

 

[Karo]

It has been my personal experience that in my extended family, it was relatives and neighbours who were the perpetrators but society had no avenue of complaint until the 70's and 80's, hence why we saw some action and people charged. Even then there were parents and police who wouldn't accept it, in the absence of medical evidence.
I have to say, I don't know anyone who doesn't abhor paedophiles but I am sure paedophiles themselves would not be saying anything else, for fear of being found out.

 

[crabstick]

Daniel Morcombes convicted perpetrator had boiling water poured over him.

We have to be careful we don't become the monster we seek. Probably some deterrent to others. I say let them rot in hell.
Obviously prison is no walk in the park. Many of them hang themselves if they can find the right means
http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...e/news-story/d1ed25a981fac1e9746f174853fa071a

Was this guy on drugs at any point?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/lifes...g/news-story/47518965cfc9ca797abce364e087ec92

Joan Isaacs: Catholic abuse victim’s book ‘To Prey and To Silence’ warns about dangers of grooming

What began as a fight for justice turned into a 40-year battle for the truth after endless stonewalling from the Catholic Church.

It would take a Royal Commission, years of therapy as well as the love and support from her family before she could even begin to heal.


She revealed the institutionalised responses to child sex abuse and how the priest who abused her ran a cult-like group.

 

[crabstick]

The incidence of paedophilia is much higher outside the church. The church has since implemented policy which that has reduced the incidence some time ago. No one is protecting the church. It is however a very easy political dead dog to kick.

Being close to the court system, our family now has a no visitor policy without a witness present. Its a home policy that will protect us in the advent of accusations which happens more often than the general public know about. Don't leave your kids with a male on his own, not that it helped the victims of a 25 year old male childcare worker that has been recently charged.
Male teachers are leaving the education industry as the subject becomes more volatile. No one wants to face guilty before innocence media profiling in lieu of the child wanting vengeance.

Its the new unwritten rule, don't look after other peoples kids without a witness, and don't leave your kids with other people, especially institutional employees.

Considering the rolling press about catholic offenders, can anyone state the number of convicted priesthood offenders over the last 30 years?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/lifes...g/news-story/47518965cfc9ca797abce364e087ec92

Joan Isaacs: Catholic abuse victim’s book ‘To Prey and To Silence’ warns about dangers of grooming

What began as a fight for justice turned into a 40-year battle for the truth after endless stonewalling from the Catholic Church.

It would take a Royal Commission, years of therapy as well as the love and support from her family before she could even begin to heal.


She revealed the institutionalised responses to child sex abuse and how the priest who abused her ran a cult-like group.

 

[gregjrichards]

The incidence of paedophilia is much higher outside the church. The church has since implemented policy which that has reduced the incidence some time ago. No one is protecting the church. It is however a very easy political dead dog to kick.

Being close to the court system, our family now has a no visitor policy without a witness present. Its a home policy that will protect us in the advent of accusations which happens more often than the general public know about. Don't leave your kids with a male on his own, not that it helped the victims of a 25 year old male childcare worker that has been recently charged.
Male teachers are leaving the education industry as the subject becomes more volatile. No one wants to face guilty before innocence media profiling in lieu of the child wanting vengeance.

Its the new unwritten rule, don't look after other peoples kids without a witness, and don't leave your kids with other people, especially institutional employees.

Considering the rolling press about catholic offenders, can anyone state the number of convicted priesthood offenders over the last 30 years?

Respectfully I disagree with the impression it's only men who comit abuse against children. There are plenty of women who are paedophiles or who source children knowingly for males to abuse. There have been cases where women alone have abused and murdered children like Sandra Cantu who was murdered by a woman in a church in 2009. It's a good idea to be cautious though about who can be trusted around children particularly if your child wants to have sleepovers at friends houses for example.

 

[crabstick]

Didn't say it was all men. But the court cases are much much higher on men.

According to a study done by Cortoni and Hanson in 2005, 4-5% of all recorded sexual abuse victims were abused by female offenders

When we were kids, we were not allowed sleep overs at other peoples houses for that very reason. Our parents were frowned at, but people think differently now.

Respectfully I disagree with the impression it's only men who comit abuse against children. There are plenty of women who are paedophiles or who source children knowingly for males to abuse. There have been cases where women alone have abused and murdered children like Sandra Cantu who was murdered by a woman in a church in 2009. It's a good idea to be cautious though about who can be trusted around children particularly if your child wants to have sleepovers at friends houses for example.

 

[Puggle]

Thankfully I feel a tide is turning....and this generation of children are so much more informed....
And the discussion of the issue is no longer taboo .......

Has anyone been able to work out a possible reason why Mr Spedding would have been in Corio at anytime during the period of 1983 to 1987.....

 

[Eloise]

Didn't say it was all men. But the court cases are much much higher on men.

According to a study done by Cortoni and Hanson in 2005, 4-5% of all recorded sexual abuse victims were abused by female offenders

When we were kids, we were not allowed sleep overs at other peoples houses for that very reason. Our parents were frowned at, but people think differently now.

It is very different now. By my daughter's age (9) I had already had countless sleepovers at many different homes, including of girls I didn't know that well! My daughter has only had sleepovers with family, and that is the norm these days, at least around here. Sleepovers don't tend to happen now until girls are in highschool.

 

[ParaK]

Alleged paedophile William "Bill" Spedding was due to face Ballarat Magistrates Court on Thursday for a filing hearing after he was charged with seven child sex crimes offences by Victoria Police on July 4..............

The offences are alleged to have occurred in Clarendon near Ballarat and other locations across regional Victoria................


Court documents revealed police had charged Spedding with multiple child sexual abuse offences, including various counts of indecent assault and sexual intercourse with children between 1983 and 1985.
The documents also revealed in one incident Spedding was accused of indecently assaulting a child in a lounge room.

In another incident he is accused of sexual penetration of a girl under the age of 10.

Police also allege in another incident Spedding forced a child to masturbate him.................

"There is a real grave concern in relation to prejudice of future jurors," he said.

But Mr Stratmann rejected the request. He said jurors were "robust and responsible" and not "fragile and prone to prejudice".

"Juries are robust and when properly directed can deal with issues before them," he said.

Spedding will return to the Ballarat Magistrates Court in October.

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/m...storic-child-sex-charges-20160728-gqg37z.html

There is mention of a grave concern in relation to the future prejudice of jurors.... Why is there no mention of grave concerns that there are multiple charges he is facing in multiple states that I have a grave concern that he could possibly reoffend? He isn't locked up on remand or anything? Just allowed to stay out and wait for court appearances. Seems so wrong considering the charges to me. Makes you wonder how often this happens and how many accused with a high chance of continuing their behaviour are allowed to remain out on bail etc. Innocent until proven guilty of course, not saying he is guilty, but serious charges should be treated with more concern imo.

 

[Puggle]

There is mention of a grave concern in relation to the future prejudice of jurors.... Why is there no mention of grave concerns that there are multiple charges he is facing in multiple states that I have a grave concern that he could possibly reoffend? He isn't locked up on remand or anything? Just allowed to stay out and wait for court appearances. Seems so wrong considering the charges to me. Makes you wonder how often this happens and how many accused with a high chance of continuing their behaviour are allowed to remain out on bail etc. Innocent until proven guilty of course, not saying he is guilty, but serious charges should be treated with more concern imo.

I bet this happens alot......

I think the courts do set some safeguards.......ahhh.... my memory on this isn't to clear...but I think Mr Speding has bail conditions around contact with children. Im certain his grandchildren weren't allowed to reside with him since the time charges were brought up against him. ...