Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #24

[WhiteLion^^]

Interesting that FM mentions "even if it was an ACCIDENT" in her latest desperate plea in this Daily Mail report.
I honestly feel that we will never know the truth about what has really happened to William.
I also feel that this $1,000,000 reward will have no effect on bringing William home (sorry).....It has been too long now, sadly.....MOO:tears:

Yes, interesting...and the longer we hear pleas from the FPs like this, the assumption is that nothing has occurred to shed more light / no reward claim...very, very sad and so disappointing.

 

[crabstick]

Why are we discussing FGM septic tanks? This is an impossibility!!!!
Yep, correct, council have a services plan which clearly maps the tanks etc. Not only is it mapped, plumbers can easily find the components, mainly due to their extensive knowledge and the fact a plumber has to fit the tanks according to standards.

There is only a small hole into the tank, once it has been excavated. Tanks are only emptied every 4 years or so, sometimes decades. I think my parents house was done once in 20 years. The soil above the tank must be removed to access the tank.

William cannot fit literally. He has more chance falling down a neighbours well reticulation system. The FPs have an image of William taken the morning the morning William went missing. There is metadata in the image showing Williams photo taken the morning he went missing.

If you are suggesting FPs put Will in a tank, not possible in the time. To chop the child in little pieces would make an enormous mess. It would take too long.

Murdered woman (Cariad Anderson-Slater) found in septic tank decades later
http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/w...-suspected-murder-accused-20120319-1vfzw.html

Someone would have to dig up the lid of the septic tank. In this case the tenant must of in his own time. Disturbed soil would have been obvious initially.

Had Williams FF left prior the image of William taken?

Hypothetically, what if knowledge of the location of a septic system component in the garden was lost when FGF passed away, and what if it was not easy to spot, for example if it had been cosmetically hidden by planting or turfing, and then become further overgrown?

I doubt it. FGM would be aware of where it is, as would her kids. Neighbours might an idea of where it is too - I know where they are for many of my neighbours - though ours are all treatment systems, so get serviced every 3 months, and parts of the system are exposed.
If the house was being sold - then this information would be in the documents, and council should have plans of where it is too.

No doubt the million dollars is going to become an ever increasing parachute if someone is convicted and going to jail.

 

[gregjrichards]

I have nothing but the deepest, deepest sympathy for the F F and especially the FM and FGM who were there when this terrible act was committed. They were doing no more than all of us - letting our kids and grandkids play in our own yards. They have my uptmost support.

Me too that morning and the moments leading up to William disappearing must haunt them every waking moment. I'm sure they are torturing themselves with if only I'd done this and that but they aren't too blame whoever took William is. I respect your post though tiddles24.

 

[gregjrichards]

Yes, interesting...and the longer we hear pleas from the FPs like this, the assumption is that nothing has occurred to shed more light / no reward claim...very, very sad and so disappointing.

I don't think William's family would know what it going on with the investigation there may be developments happening behind the scenes.

 

[sosocurious]

I don't think William's family would know what it going on with the investigation there may be developments happening behind the scenes.

Yes and does seem that given immunity and protection is being offered, that even if the reward is paid then it will be a long time if ever that the public will be told.
imo

 

[purpleandgreen]

BBM. MOO, but I took it mean that if whoever it was that abducted him, or one of the accomplices accidentally killed him. I don't believe she means that he met death at home (well, FGM's) by accident or misadventure, especially since this has categorically ruled out by Jubelin. Don't have link to his statement sorry, but there are lots of them in the thread.

Interesting that FM mentions "even if it was an ACCIDENT" in her latest desperate plea in this Daily Mail report.
I honestly feel that we will never know the truth about what has really happened to William.
I also feel that this $1,000,000 reward will have no effect on bringing William home (sorry).....It has been too long now, sadly.....MOO:tears:

 

[crabstick]

Maybe FGM is inferring the possibility William was knocked over by a car?

I dare say the reward will play heavily on the minds of some. Even over time there will be some wary, playing on their minds that such a large incentive can change their situation at any time in the future. That constant force of a $1 million dollar outage. A reward that will put stress on relationship, no matter who it may be.

As Det Jubes said " This is just another stick in our number of sticks we can use"

Interesting that FM mentions "even if it was an ACCIDENT" in her latest desperate plea in this Daily Mail report.
I honestly feel that we will never know the truth about what has really happened to William.
I also feel that this $1,000,000 reward will have no effect on bringing William home (sorry).....It has been too long now, sadly.....MOO:tears:

 

[frogwell]

O/T

My imagination:

FGM to BS: When would the part be available to you?

BS to FGM: At the latest, what date do you need the repair ready??

FGM to BS: Well, my daughter with husband and the 2 children will arrive on 12.9. before lunch time. I would like to have the machine ready then.

BS to FGM: Understand, well, I will do my very best, dear Mrs. FGM!! I will call you when I got the part and when I'm ready to come for repair, okay, dear Mrs. FGM?

BS to himself: Yesss! That's a precise indication for my appointment book, thanks. I will have to talk to AJ/PB and ...........

Who was BS washing machine part supplier? Did he order a new part from a business, or did he buy a part off a mate?

 

[Bohemian]

My comment re ACCIDENT was not directed at the foster family, as I know that they were cleared right from the very start of any involvement in William's disappearance.
However, it didn't help matters that a 3 year old foster child was left on his own outside unsupervised, even for a very short time, in unfamiliar surroundings being a large unfenced property adjoining thick bushland in all directions....MOO.

No, it doesn't although; 'There but for the Grace of God, go I.', and might I add many other devoted parents, foster and biological alike. MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Maybe FGM is inferring the possibility William was knocked over by a car?

I dare say the reward will play heavily on the minds of some. Even over time there will be some wary, playing on their minds that such a large incentive can change their situation at any time in the future. That constant force of a $1 million dollar outage. A reward that will put stress on relationship, no matter who it may be.

As Det Jubes said " This is just another stick in our number of sticks we can use"

BBM: It is also possible that William's mother was trying to give the abductor/potential murderer an 'out'. As in ... we know you/he didn't mean for William to die, so please tell us where he is.

 

[sosocurious]

BBM: It is also possible that William's mother was trying to give the abductor/potential murderer an 'out'. As in ... we know you/he didn't mean for William to die, so please tell us where he is.

Yes SA like you didn't harm him.

The stress of being abducted resulted in a medical emergency with a very bad outcome..like asthma.

 

[tiddles24]

No, it doesn't although; 'There but for the Grace of God, go I.', and might I add many other devoted parents, foster and biological alike. MOO.

The whole sad thing in this story of our beautiful little missing boy is that unfortunately it happened just at that very crucial short time that he was unsupervised, which is the hardest thing of all to comprehend.

I am in no way placing any blame on the foster family as I cannot even try to understand how they are getting through every minute of every day since William's disappearance.

"For God so loved the world that He gave his only Begotten Son, for whosover believeth in Him shall not perish but have Everlasting Life".

As I have said before, I think about William and his family every single day and have been praying for his safe return from Day 1 to this day....MOO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

His mother said: “To the person who feels stuck and tied to a relationship or controlled by someone and doesn’t have freedom,.............................
William’s dad said: “The reward has been done for a specific purpose and that’s to achieve an outcome, whatever that looks like.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...n/news-story/767a2d54a9a2ed3f54f96863e224b45b

Thinking about the named poi ..... who comes to mind?

bbm

If I think about an abduction by a not-family-member:

Maybe, there is a wife/female partner of someone whom is secretly suspected by her to be the perp.
If there are several adult children with their partners and their own children then the female person would be also tied up due to that. The person would have to compare getting $1m and her "freedom" vs. probable lost of her whole (large) family.The family (daughters/sons/stepdaughters/stepsons/grandchildren) first wouldn't believe her (to have done something to WT) and any way stick to the perp forever perhaps
.
If the wife/female partner knows of sex. abuse of own family members also and never had said a word, how is this person able to expose her spouse/partner now? The adult children would never forgive her to have tolerated their own abuse in their childhood but to expose not only her spouse but also the abused daughters/sons/grandchildren for $1m (nobody will promise (right so!) to not investigate all these things which would come up happened in the past).

Unfortunately impossible to open up about suspicions because of the immeasurable circle of involved individuals, I think. MOO

 

[Chloe4586]

Sorry if off topic but I was at a shopping centre today in Charlestown and there were electronic posters of William. Also the Sunday telegraph includes a poster that they're asking everyone to pull out and put up in their local area. I truly truly hope that someone comes forward.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

Hypothetically, what if knowledge of the location of a septic system component in the garden was lost when FGF passed away, and what if it was not easy to spot, for example if it had been cosmetically hidden by planting or turfing, and then become further overgrown?

Koios. I realize you are speaking from concern but a number of people have now explained that septic tanks and drains were checked and cleared. This site is about trying to help find William. If we keep focusing on situations that have been ruled out I feel we are wasting pressious thought processes on what credibly could have happened. Moving forwards I'd be interested to hear your thought on other realistic scenarios

 

[Karinna]

The whole sad thing in this story of our beautiful little missing boy is that unfortunately it happened just at that very crucial short time that he was unsupervised, which is the hardest thing of all to comprehend.

I am in no way placing any blame on the foster family as I cannot even try to understand how they are getting through every minute of every day since William's disappearance.

"For God so loved the world that He gave his only Begotten Son, for whosover believeth in Him shall not perish but have Everlasting Life".

As I have said before, I think about William and his family every single day and have been praying for his safe return from Day 1 to this day....MOO.

That's what i find so baffling in this case. William was out there for such a short time unsupervised from what was said, and what are the odds of that happening? Very slim to none i would think. Someone would surely have to be waiting and hoping for such an opportunistic abduction to happen, because there is no way they would of known WT was going to be left out there unattended at all unless they were a mind reader. And i agree the fact the yard was unfenced and the house wasn't flat on ground level didn't help either. What a shame FGM didn't have CCTV footage around the house.

 

[kiwi50]

No, it doesn't although; 'There but for the Grace of God, go I.', and might I add many other devoted parents, foster and biological alike. MOO.

Indeed, there but for the grace of God go I too. I can't believe there is a parent on earth who could honestly say, their child was never out of their sight, unless they were physically tied to you.

I would have acted exactly like fm that morning, I'd never have thought for a second my children weren't safe when they were only metres from me, and I could hear them.

 

[tiddles24]

IMO I believe you are missing the whole point that I have been trying to make.

The point is William was only unsupervised for 5 minutes, as has been reported.

It is really a miracle that a 3 year old child can be abducted or disappear in that very short space of time in such quiet and peaceful surroundings. It will probably never ever happen again (hopefully).

There is something desperately missing re information about William's disappearance.....A child cannot simply disappear off the face of the earth in 5 minutes....MOO.

 

[Bohemian]

IMO I believe you are missing the whole point that I have been trying to make.

The point is William was only unsupervised for 5 minutes as reported. It is really a miracle that a 3 year old child can be abducted or disappear in that very short space of time. It will probably never happen again. There is something desperately missing in William's disappearance.....MOO.

Yes, tiddles, there is something desperately missing in William's disappearance - the identity of his abductor(s). For now - but DCI Jubelin, Strike Force Rosann, the NSW Police Force, the public and even their past associates have been, and are, coming for them. If I were them, I'd be afraid; very afraid.

 

[deugirtni]

Koios. I realize you are speaking from concern but a number of people have now explained that septic tanks and drains were checked and cleared. This site is about trying to help find William. If we keep focusing on situations that have been ruled out I feel we are wasting pressious thought processes on what credibly could have happened. Moving forwards I'd be interested to hear your thought on other realistic scenarios

Conversely, if we keep focusing on the one and ONLY situation which has NOT been ruled out, perhaps it may be worthwhile to consider opening our minds to situations which *have* already been ruled out, at least until such time as this disappearance is actually solved and the details are evidenced.

Numerous posts have been made in regard to other tragedies, all around the world, where pipes/sewers/septics have been searched and yet something was missed. There has been no report in MSM that FGM's septic has even been actually 'pumped', only that it was looked into. How can people who were present that day be cleared as to having no knowledge or involvement until such time as it has been proven to have been an abduction of some kind? How can an accident be ruled out until WT is recovered?

It has been over 2 years now, and nothing. They are focusing only on the abduction-by-pedophile theory. Until such time that it is known what happened, is it *possible* it could be something else? Police, again all over the world, have been known to have tunnel-vision on certain cases. Even in the Morcombe case, police balked at a coroner's inquest in case something might come to light.

This site *is* about helping WT, and considering the length of time and no solution to the mystery, how can anyone's theory be discounted, unless it has been proven not to be the case?

Frustrated by years without answers, the Morcombe family wrote to State Coroner Michael Barnes requesting an inquest.
They felt police were openly resistant. Bruce thought they were fearful of having someone check their work.

They were shocked when they discovered the following year senior investigators wanted their son’s case downgraded, shuffled off to the Cold Case Unit.

Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson, by then a great ally of the Morcombes, ordered his officers to keep going.
Barnes ordered an inquest. But when he announced he would call a number of persons of interest, including Cowan, to give evidence, police resisted.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...k=e77d40d05fffc3964d1c23cc2e9be654-1474190860