Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #24

[tiddles24]

Yes, tiddles, there is something desperately missing in William's disappearance - the identity of his abductor(s). For now - but DCI Jubelin, Strike Force Rosann, the NSW Police Force, the public and even their past associates have been, and are, coming for them. If I were them, I'd be afraid; very afraid.

And how much longer is that going to take, with all the resources that are available to DCI Jubelin, Strike Force Rosann, the NSW Police force and the public etc.??? Another 6 or so years as in Daniel Morcombe's case. The police virtually lost interest in Daniel's case after a few years. The only reason that his killer was found is that Bruce & Denise Morcombe never gave up searching for answers, even though the police had....MOO.

 

[Karinna]

IMO I believe you are missing the whole point that I have been trying to make.

The point is William was only unsupervised for 5 minutes, as has been reported.

It is really a miracle that a 3 year old child can be abducted or disappear in that very short space of time in such quiet and peaceful surroundings. It will probably never ever happen again (hopefully).

There is something desperately missing re information about William's disappearance.....A child cannot simply disappear off the face of the earth in 5 minutes....MOO.

I can think of an incident when my eldsest son was around Williams age and it was a lovely summer day and i was at my mother's house visiting with my 2 children at the time. My mother and i were engaged in a conversation and the kids were playing in the front yard. One minute my son was there and the next minute he wasn't. Talk about panic stations. We ran out the front gate because it was open at the time calling for him as we did immediately around the backyard because he certainly wasn't out the front. It wasn't until my dad went out in the car to look and found him coming from one of the streets almost a mile away. He was as quick as lightning, and made some fair distance in a short time, but yet he was heading back to grandma's house. His sense of direction was pretty good considering his age. I thank god my dad found him because we were panicked to the max and it was horrible.
I wonder if WT didn't head in an entirely different direction than the FGM's backyard? If it was not seen where he went i think it's possible, and maybe he was picked up further away from the house than what is thought? Wasn't there a main road nearby too? And from what i read about another little boy on WS that went missing & found deceased a few days later there was discussion about dogs not able to get a child's scent the same they do adults.

 

[Warshawski]

BBM: When you log in are you also checking the box that says "Remember Me"?

Sure am Makara. It has only just started happening recently. Just another technological event to try my patience! lol..

 

[Karinna]

And how much longer is that going to take, with all the resources that are available to DCI Jubelin, Strike Force Rosann, the NSW Police force and the public etc.??? Another 6 or so years as in Daniel Morcombe's case. The police virtually lost interest in Daniel's case after a few years. The only reason that his killer was found is that Bruce & Denise Morcombe never gave up searching for answers, even though the police had....MOO.

Exactly.

 

[tiddles24]

Conversely, if we keep focusing on the one and ONLY situation which has NOT been ruled out, perhaps it may be worthwhile to consider opening our minds to situations which *have* already been ruled out, at least until such time as this disappearance is actually solved and the details are evidenced.

Numerous posts have been made in regard to other tragedies, all around the world, where pipes/sewers/septics have been searched and yet something was missed. There has been no report in MSM that FGM's septic has even been actually 'pumped', only that it was looked into. How can people who were present that day be cleared as to having no knowledge or involvement until such time as it has been proven to have been an abduction of some kind? How can an accident be ruled out until WT is recovered?

It has been over 2 years now, and nothing. They are focusing only on the abduction-by-pedophile theory. Until such time that it is known what happened, is it *possible* it could be something else? Police, again all over the world, have been known to have tunnel-vision on certain cases. Even in the Morcombe case, police balked at a coroner's inquest in case something might come to light.

This site *is* about helping WT, and considering the length of time and no solution to the mystery, how can anyone's theory be discounted, unless it has been proven not to be the case?


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...k=e77d40d05fffc3964d1c23cc2e9be654-1474190860

:goodpost: I agree with you wholeheartedly.....It's about time that everyone involved in William's disappearance stop pussyfooting around and look at all possible avenues to find the truth about what really has happened to William......Surely by now there is enough evidence available....MOO.

 

[Karinna]

Were there ever any searches done with cadaver dogs in this case, or just sniffer dogs? Or ongoing searches for that matter after the initial searches were done? Any more recent searches just in case they might have missed something?

 

[Karinna]

Conversely, if we keep focusing on the one and ONLY situation which has NOT been ruled out, perhaps it may be worthwhile to consider opening our minds to situations which *have* already been ruled out, at least until such time as this disappearance is actually solved and the details are evidenced.

Numerous posts have been made in regard to other tragedies, all around the world, where pipes/sewers/septics have been searched and yet something was missed. There has been no report in MSM that FGM's septic has even been actually 'pumped', only that it was looked into. How can people who were present that day be cleared as to having no knowledge or involvement until such time as it has been proven to have been an abduction of some kind? How can an accident be ruled out until WT is recovered?

It has been over 2 years now, and nothing. They are focusing only on the abduction-by-pedophile theory. Until such time that it is known what happened, is it *possible* it could be something else? Police, again all over the world, have been known to have tunnel-vision on certain cases. Even in the Morcombe case, police balked at a coroner's inquest in case something might come to light.

This site *is* about helping WT, and considering the length of time and no solution to the mystery, how can anyone's theory be discounted, unless it has been proven not to be the case?


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...k=e77d40d05fffc3964d1c23cc2e9be654-1474190860

Good post & i agree.

 

[Warshawski]

The mother of missing toddler William Tyrrell has made a heartbreaking appeal to help bring her little boy home - even if he is dead.

Her plea comes as authorities announced a record $1 million reward for anyone who could lead police to the recovery of the three-year-old boy suspected of being abducted from his grandmother's yard in Kendall on the Mid North Coast of NSW two years ago.

And his parents, who cannot be named for legal reasons, are desperately seeking for answers as they urge anyone involved in his disappearance to come forward so they could move on from the ordeal - and give them closure.

'To the person, even if William is dead, even if somebody killed him - deliberately or if it was an accident - and you know where he is, he's got to come home,' his mother told The Sunday Telegraph.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...plea-let-know-s-alive-dead.html#ixzz4KYFq9kHn

Its just heartbreaking - the same sentiment is running through the story in the Brisbane Sunday Mail, and I just hope and pray someone listens, gets a hint of compassion, and does what's right.

They wouldn't even have to go to the Police if they find that too daunting. Just ring a shop or something and tell them to pass the details to Police.

 

[Warshawski]

Hypothetically, what if knowledge of the location of a septic system component in the garden was lost when FGF passed away, and what if it was not easy to spot, for example if it had been cosmetically hidden by planting or turfing, and then become further overgrown?

This thought has crossed my mind too Koios, as it would explain such a sudden disappearance, however, I would imagine falling into something like that would have been accompanied by a Cry out at least. I also believe that the disturbance to the area would then have been visible to searchers.

 

[Warshawski]

Williams parents have made a heartbreaking appeal to those involved to give them closure.
While police believe William may still be alive. his parents after more than 2 years have to face the terrible alternative.

To the person who may feel controlled tied and stuck in a relationship.
Unfortunately, there are trade offs and this trade off is a get out of jail free card, immunity.
If you know you can make a break and do something.
If you have no freedom there a million dollars of freedom.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...n/news-story/767a2d54a9a2ed3f54f96863e224b45b

Absolutely Soso. IMO, there is definitely someone who either Knows or has a Hint or Suspician etc . This is the opportunity for that person to get their answers and put their mind at rest. They have even been told they will be guaranteed safety & security to my understanding.

 

[Pepper77]

Sure am Makara. It has only just started happening recently. Just another technological event to try my patience! lol..

Could be as a result of your history (favourites, cookies, etc.,) being cleared when you shut your browser window.

 

[Pepper77]

I can think of an incident when my eldsest son was around Williams age and it was a lovely summer day and i was at my mother's house visiting with my 2 children at the time. My mother and i were engaged in a conversation and the kids were playing in the front yard. One minute my son was there and the next minute he wasn't. Talk about panic stations. We ran out the front gate because it was open at the time calling for him as we did immediately around the backyard because he certainly wasn't out the front. It wasn't until my dad went out in the car to look and found him coming from one of the streets almost a mile away. He was as quick as lightning, and made some fair distance in a short time, but yet he was heading back to grandma's house. His sense of direction was pretty good considering his age. I thank god my dad found him because we were panicked to the max and it was horrible.
I wonder if WT didn't head in an entirely different direction than the FGM's backyard? If it was not seen where he went i think it's possible, and maybe he was picked up further away from the house than what is thought? Wasn't there a main road nearby too? And from what i read about another little boy on WS that went missing & found deceased a few days later there was discussion about dogs not able to get a child's scent the same they do adults.

Absolutely - it only takes a couple of minutes to lure a young child to a car on the premise that they're going to see a cute little puppy, then they're asked if they'd like to hold it but they have to hop in first ... I'm not saying this is what happened with William, but I have heard something similar happening in child abduction cases.

 

[kiwi50]

I can think of an incident when my eldsest son was around Williams age and it was a lovely summer day and i was at my mother's house visiting with my 2 children at the time. My mother and i were engaged in a conversation and the kids were playing in the front yard. One minute my son was there and the next minute he wasn't. Talk about panic stations. We ran out the front gate because it was open at the time calling for him as we did immediately around the backyard because he certainly wasn't out the front. It wasn't until my dad went out in the car to look and found him coming from one of the streets almost a mile away. He was as quick as lightning, and made some fair distance in a short time, but yet he was heading back to grandma's house. His sense of direction was pretty good considering his age. I thank god my dad found him because we were panicked to the max and it was horrible.
I wonder if WT didn't head in an entirely different direction than the FGM's backyard? If it was not seen where he went i think it's possible, and maybe he was picked up further away from the house than what is thought? Wasn't there a main road nearby too? And from what i read about another little boy on WS that went missing & found deceased a few days later there was discussion about dogs not able to get a child's scent the same they do adults.

Before there were any POI 's in this case, my initial thought was that William had gone in a totally different direction to the bush, and had somehow found his way to the river before anyone went in that direction, that river goes out to the Tasman sea, I remember seeing divers but that was days later at the river, if he had drowned I doubt they would have found him, however I was assured no way could that have happened.
If BS could produce someone who saw him at school assembly, I'd seriously go back to some sort of innocent misadventure.

 

[sosocurious]

And how much longer is that going to take, with all the resources that are available to DCI Jubelin, Strike Force Rosann, the NSW Police force and the public etc.??? Another 6 or so years as in Daniel Morcombe's case. The police virtually lost interest in Daniel's case after a few years. The only reason that his killer was found is that Bruce & Denise Morcombe never gave up searching for answers, even though the police had....MOO.

The father of murdered Queensland teenager Daniel Morcombe​ fears William Tyrrell, who would be four on Friday, won't be found alive.

In a message to the Tyrrell family, he added: "Remain positive, that's all you can do. The police will be working hard; they want to solve it as well. They, I am sure, go to work not filling in the hours; they go to work to find the answers."
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/father-of...d-be-his-fourth-birthday-20150619-ghsesq.html

 

[sosocurious]

Were there ever any searches done with cadaver dogs in this case, or just sniffer dogs? Or ongoing searches for that matter after the initial searches were done? Any more recent searches just in case they might have missed something?

Sniffer dogs and cadaver dogs found no scent in the yard, fuelling fears he may have been abducted
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-w...ved-alone-in-bush-police-20140917-10hy58.html

Despite this local police still return to the search zones – from Kendall to bushland near the coast – to carry out training exercises just in case they stumble across something significant.
Locals still take extra care on their walks and drives around the town, just in case.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

 

[Warshawski]

Where there is no trees. Thats where tanks will be. If there is a green patch in the grass, that will be the main tank



I presume every backyard well in surrounding houses has been checked. As stated, if a decomposing body was anywhere in the vicinity, there would be an incredible smell.

William was playing hide and seek, although sister had gone into house to toilet. William had run to the rear of the house.

What would a 3 year old do on their own in the backyard with no fences? Did someone lure them tot the kerb with a Spiderman?

i agree Crabby re the backyard checks, but as we've heard there have been previous misses.

i continue to wonder what sort of car the FD was driving. ... the question has been asked here before and I don't believe we have knowledge of?

It it seems logical to me that if William saw across the yard, a car that looked like his Dad's he may easily have felt inclined to run down there.

The report that Mum rang Dad to ask was William with him, has always intrigued me.

She knew Wlliam was there well after Dad left, as she was with them on the patio and when they were playing hide & seek. .. Therefore, did she think this was around time Dad might be home, and did he perhaps arrive home un-noticed, pick up William and go somewhere??

as I said .. strange ... Well to me anyway..

Perhaps another incidence of inaccurate reporting. She may have simply called in a panic to say they can't find Wiiliam, and would he have any ideas...

 

[1968]

There is no point becoming frustrated with investigators, as tempting as it is to do so.
We are vested in the outcome as onlookers who empathise with the family - but imagine how the police members feel who have met and spoken to and become close to the family, have participated in the searches, have worked on the case and had their hopes raised by sightings and potential leads, only to have them dashed again. It would be life changing and devastating for some I would imagine. Especially if they never solve. I imagine this is why DCI Jubelin has his yoga and his meditation etc
The agitation such a job could cause your mind can only be imagined.....

 

[Warshawski]

DCI Jubelin has said many times the he has spoken to William's family (ie; FD, FM and FGM) and they have been cleared of any involvement in his disappearance.

Latest presser:

William Tyrrell Reward: NSW Police Press Conference
Sept 12, 2016
Richie
Published on 12 Sep 2016 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154088829661185&id=218519706184

NSW Police announce $1 Million reward for information that leads to the recovery of William Tyrrell.

Call Crime Stoppers
1800 333 000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-qtC4ueQqc&feature=youtu.be

and I believe I read 'extended family' so I take that to mean bio as well ??

 

[Chloe4586]

Before there were any POI 's in this case, my initial thought was that William had gone in a totally different direction to the bush, and had somehow found his way to the river before anyone went in that direction, that river goes out to the Tasman sea, I remember seeing divers but that was days later at the river, if he had drowned I doubt they would have found him, however I was assured no way could that have happened.
If BS could produce someone who saw him at school assembly, I'd seriously go back to some sort of innocent misadventure.

I know misadventure has been ruled out but I must say it's always in the back of my mind. I don't know what I think anymore I just can't believe that there is no sign of little William 2 years on.

 

[sosocurious]

i agree Crabby re the backyard checks, but as we've heard there have been previous misses.

i continue to wonder what sort of car the FD was driving. ... the question has been asked here before and I don't believe we have knowledge of?

It it seems logical to me that if William saw across the yard, a car that looked like his Dad's he may easily have felt inclined to run down there.

The report that Mum rang Dad to ask was William with him, has always intrigued me.

She knew Wlliam was there well after Dad left, as she was with them on the patio and when they were playing hide & seek. .. Therefore, did she think this was around time Dad might be home, and did he perhaps arrive home un-noticed, pick up William and go somewhere??

as I said .. strange ... Well to me anyway..

Perhaps another incidence of inaccurate reporting. She may have simply called in a panic to say they can't find Wiiliam, and would he have any ideas...

They became frantic. William’s father was called on a mobile phone. He raced home to help. Within 10-15 minutes, neighbours on the street were searching as well. They couldn’t find him. “Twenty to 25 minutes” after he was first noticed missing, the police were called. They arrived within six minutes. A “full search” was initiated.

Maybe mum just rang dad to say I cannot find William, I have looked everywhere I can't find him. Get home quick.
The question "is he with you"? May have meant did you find him on your way back into the street.
imo
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...l/news-story/55fe696ecdf5361c3f164bec8bd03e4d