Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

[Bohemian]

Some food for thought:

Child homicide in New South Wales from 1991 to 2005
Olav B Nielssen, Matthew M Large, Bruce D Westmore and Steven M Lackersteen
Med J Aust 2009;
190 (1): 7-11.

https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2009/190/1/child-homicide-new-south-wales-1991-2005

 

[Warshawski]

Hi, my first post. I'm Australian and I think about this case alot. I've read alot of the threads here. Just a quick question:
Are we only allowed to discuss what has been said in the media and must provide a link?
Does 'MOO' mean an opinion?
Does 'MSM' mean the media?

Somebody made a long post about BS at the end of thread 24...I'm not sure how to quote them as the thread progressed, however the person asked if BS had the washing machine part. I just wanted to say, I don't think it's verified, however I think he must have had the part because BS was quoted in the media saying he was relieved to not have to fit the part as he wanted to spend time with family.

Nice to meet you all. There's some seriously awsome intelligent people on this site and the WT thread.

Cheers Anita.

wonderful to have you and your input Neeysey - welcome

 

[louisepiglet]

I think they should have put a time limit on the reward.

 

[Warshawski]

I am working on a timeline right now. While I am working on it, 2 things have occurred to me so far for which some feedback would be good, if anyone has any, from anywhere.

i)the neighbour (unknown at this point?) who said his wife left the street just one minute prior to WT's disappearance and saw nothing, he was very specific about the time. He said it was 28 or 26 minutes before 11am. Tht would put the time at 10:32 or 10:34. Wasn't it said that WT disappeared around 10:25am, and wasn't noticed for 5 minutes, until 10:30am, at which time FM noticed she could no longer hear or see him, which prompted the beginning of the searching? But yet, if this man's time was so accurate, his time was actually later than that, but his wife didn't see or hear anything, not even FM looking, calling, searching... ? So does this mean that either the man's time was off and he meant 26 or 28 minutes after 10 (as opposed to before 11), or that the calling and looking for him wasn't loud or visible enough to be noticed, or that WT had not yet been noticed to have been missing?

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...-false-hope-12-months-on-20150903-gjenjz.html

ii)it is said (I think??) that FD left the home/street at 9:15am to travel to nearby Lakewood to do a skype presentation for work; it is said that he couldn't do it at FGM's house due to poor cellphone coverage in Kendall. Wouldn't the requirement be for internet connectivity as opposed to cellular coverage? Or does he do his skypes by tethering his cellphone to his laptop while at FGM's house? Is tethering good enough at the best of times to do a skype presentation? I would have thought it may have been far less than ideal, and that an actual internet connection would be more satisfactory. Was there no internet in Kendall, even if FGM may not have had it at her house? Surely the library or community hall, or cafe would have internet for people to use?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...k=f20c1d0ab878b7d2be9447dcdfbaa3ad-1474856113

You have mentioned matters that have peaked my radar D.

IMO there has always seemed to be conflict between the recounts of hubby & wife neighbours, as far as who left when, and who was where... . But please, don't anyone caste aspersions on my memory, so I won't on others ..lol.

Seriously, I don't want to consider involvement of a neighbour, at the same time I am absolutely sure that Det Jubelin has all this thoroughly examine & documented.

 

[Warshawski]

Koios, you know when I first saw that drain near the grandmother's house back in 2014 my heart did a flip-flop. I was thinking that William may have somehow crawled into, or had fallen in there and the searcher's had missed him. I can only speak for myself here but it is always in the back of my mind that William may have been missed during all of the searches, that the ground had literally swallowed him up. Having said that, I do believe that every resource has been utilised and every avenue has been explored in negating a case of misadventure in William's disappearance. The fact that there is now a $1M reward on offer indicates to me that the police know a whole lot more than we're privy to.

William's disappearance is being treated as an abduction, not misadventure by falling down a drain or drowning in a water tank. I truly believe that the police know who took William, they just need to get all of the evidence to finally make an arrest.

cheers Makara - that's all I've got in the absence of that multi-thanks button

 

[Warshawski]

I agree an open mind is prudent. The last sighting of WT is that he went around this corner of the house (arrow added to an image from a 60minutes video).
Where he went after that remains an open question. His projected route from there straight downhill to the roadside (as discussed by Mr Jubelin in 60minutes) may be a very intelligent estimate based on probable behaviour, but it is not proven, as there were no witnesses who saw whether or not he went down there.

thank you Kolos.. in my mind nothing is proven (hence the confusion) however I do appreciate your visual reminder, and your comments.

it suddenly occurred to me that, in all our supposed adulthood, how much do we really understand the mind of a 3 year old boy in his play mode, and where that may take him?

For what it's worth, I don't believe William would have gone to the road without considerable & fitting enticement, as it is actually quite a long way, & my experience of little boys of this age is that it's all about an immediate hidey place, in anticipation of the fun & excitement that comes with the discovery.

Maybe we should engage some kids in re-enactment ?

 

[Warshawski]

Carefully orchestrated which is why I think someone delegated a task to others. Then implemented all the alibi measures to ensure not implicated in the actual abduction, still - an accessory to the crime.
Someones time could run out on the $1million powerball if police go to them.
Although I wonder if the person fears other players who arent in prison and pose a risk to safety?
This post may sound a little cryptic, but I dont wish to name names for a number of reasons, some quite obvious.
Lets call it objective theory on the abduction plan which is why we dont name names.

thanks Crabby & well said. $1 million should guarantee someone's safety one would think, but how can we understand the mind-set of those so 'challenged' (for the want of another acceptable description) ...

i continue to pray for William, for his salvation, and for answers for all who love him....but also I do so in the hope that those responsible will come forward for their own salvation... Also I see this as time for a fitting reminder that our society will no longer hand out half- baked penalties & will not accept nor tolerate activities of this nature.

 

[Warshawski]

Yes lets not forget.
I also thought it odd that KL named her friend Deb that lived in the area. Particularly, given Deb had asked that her name not be released in her media release ... by her solicitor wasn't it?

imo

http://www.9news.com.au/national/20...dmother-with-links-to-two-persons-of-interest

To be fair Soso, was it KL who named DJ, or was it suggested by the reporter?

 

[Warshawski]

Hi everyone. What page are we up to? When I refresh I think more replies are coming up but then they disappear.

thanks Chloe. I am continually confused by the fact that a response pops up with an accompanying Quote, that I am sure I have never previously been privy to.

i just continue to pray for answers

 

[Deleted member 102539]

thank you Kolos.. in my mind nothing is proven (hence the confusion) however I do appreciate your visual reminder, and your comments.

it suddenly occurred to me that, in all our supposed adulthood, how much do we really understand the mind of a 3 year old boy in his play mode, and where that may take him?

For what it's worth, I don't believe William would have gone to the road without considerable & fitting enticement, as it is actually quite a long way, & my experience of little boys of this age is that it's all about an immediate hidey place, in anticipation of the fun & excitement that comes with the discovery.

Maybe we should engage some kids in re-enactment ?

IF Williams sister indeed had used the toilet as sometimes mentioned then maybe this moment without her seaking him was boring for William ..... :thinking: A little deflection by a "nice" person, maybe holding a red toy or calling him with his nickname or showing a pet ..... :thinking:

 

[misty48]

Has the information ever been released regarding from where the children were picked up prior to the family embarking on the early journey or what time they arrived at FGM's house (ie during daylight or after dark)?

 

[koios]

A caption on this sketch in the Telegraph says "runs around to the back of the house underneath the balcony several times hiding from his sister"
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p151/Brytech/The-disappearance2_zpsc8ebgvgf.jpg

I have never been able to find an original source (police statement or parent interview) for him hiding here.
But if he was hiding, hiding in the middle of an area of short grass is a bit obvious, so after reaching the end of the arrow in this next sketch, where would a child hide?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=102081&stc=1
The closest places to hide are:
1. Behind the hedge straight ahead.
2. Behind the hedge on the right (which means hiding under the balcony).
Or going a little further
3. Around the next corner of the house (that's around two corners from the deck where the others were).

 

[crabstick]

Yet another report says he hid behind a celery wood tree which sounds like we only need find the celery wood tree in the backyard.
Now we just have to work who the not so journalist that has used artistic licence.

A caption on this sketch by a jopurnalist says "runs around to the back of the house underneath the balcony several times hiding from his sister"
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p151/Brytech/The-disappearance2_zpsc8ebgvgf.jpg

I have never been able to find an original source (police statement or parent interview) for him hiding here.
But if he was hiding, hiding in the middle of an area of short grass is a bit obvious, so after reaching the end of the arrow in this next sketch, where would a child hide?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=102081&stc=1
The closest places to hide are:
1. Behind the hedge straight ahead.
2. Behind the hedge on the right (which means hiding under the balcony).

 

[crabstick]

Did GAPA have female members? Putting aside all any of the other accusations.
Who were members of GAPA being non male? Is it another potential connection apart from the Wellington fridge and scrappy mob?

 

[koios]

One theory of which way WT went (the route walked by Det Jubelin and presenter in 60minutes documentary) is that he went around the left end of the hedge which is straight ahead in this sketch, did not hide, but continued straight downhill to the roadside. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=102081&stc=1

 

[crabstick]

If some people are in or heading to jail, the cops might just let the $1 million dollars cook a few people.
We may not see charges on Will case for a while.

 

[koios]

Yet another report says he hid behind a celery wood tree which sounds like we only need find the celery wood tree in the backyard.
Now we just have to work who the not so journalist that has used artistic licence.

MOO but I think when he hid behind the celery wood tree, it was earlier when FM was partway down the garden with him.
But yes if he had hidden behind it once it is possible he might hide behind it a second time.
Someone else identified the celery wood tree on an earlier thread, it is about halfway down the slope from house to the roadside.

 

[crabstick]

The next question is, how many people might be involved?
I feel this was preplanned in limbo, but executed when timing was appropriate.
This was the last time William would be at house.

 

[SouthAussie]

A caption on this sketch in the Telegraph says "runs around to the back of the house underneath the balcony several times hiding from his sister"
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p151/Brytech/The-disappearance2_zpsc8ebgvgf.jpg

I have never been able to find an original source (police statement or parent interview) for him hiding here.
But if he was hiding, hiding in the middle of an area of short grass is a bit obvious, so after reaching the end of the arrow in this next sketch, where would a child hide?
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=102081&stc=1
The closest places to hide are:
1. Behind the hedge straight ahead.
2. Behind the hedge on the right (which means hiding under the balcony).
Or going a little further
3. Around the next corner of the house (that's around two corners from the deck where the others were).

One thing that may have some bearing on which way William ran is some comments his mother made.
She said that she called out and said do you see daddy? is daddy home? And she heard nothing in reply.

From that I think it is possible that they had already had a little convo about ‘daddy should be home soon’. So it may have been at the forefront of William's mind at the time.

 

[koios]

One thing that may have some bearing on which way William ran is some comments his mother made.
She said that she called out and said do you see daddy? is daddy home? And she heard nothing in reply.

From that I think it is possible that they had already had a little convo about ‘daddy should be home soon’. So it may have been at the forefront of William's mind at the time.

Yes and in an interview with the parents it was stated that at home (Sydney) the children would often make a game of eagerly waiting at the "gate" for FD's return.
But at FGM's house there was no gate.
The equivalent of waiting at the gate, would be (I assume) to wait at the roadside end of the main driveway (which leads to the carport).
Would a small child wait at the driveway, or at the roadside some distance before the driveway?
I think either is possible, MOO.