Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

[Bohemian]

Question /opinion. If it is discovered that WT's disappearance was motivated by custodial issues and family matters, do you think the public has a right to know about this?

My opinion .... no.

We have a right to know that William had been found and was safe, but William continues to deserve the privacy that every child deserves in these matters. And so does his sister.

We do, however, have a right to know that it was not the intervention of a stranger (and, so presumptions would be made) so that the local parents can be aware of that.

Not if it meant that any vulnerable people would be publicly identified and put at risk.

No doubt the Task Force have completed numerous risk analyses based on their lines of enquiry. If what you speak of is the case, they may have deemed releasing the information to the public to be a 'high risk' strategy when weighed against their stated goal of recovering William (hopefully alive).

Now that William's case is before the NSW Coroner, I can see no impediment to the Task Force releasing any information to the public that would assist them in their goal.

That said, there is still the call of 'If you know something. Say something.' [to the Task Force via Crime Stoppers].

 

[SouthAussie]

The NSW Police are being very proactive in serving the vulnerable in our society as well as providing the force that is sometimes needed to keep order.

Also thank you for being brave enough to disclose your experience, SA. Those of us lucky or aware enough to survive abuse or attempted abuse must speak up for our most vulnerable. Thank you for being yet another 'voice for the voiceless'.

Not so much brave, Bohemian, as I would love for people to understand how damn easy it is to take a child. I lived a short walk from school, was walking down a fairly busy suburban street, in view of lots of houses, and this man attempted this with me. An 8 year old.
He didn’t seem to care who saw him with me. And I was a quiet, shy, little girl – who fortunately had grown up with all brothers, so I had learned how to fight my own battles already. Even then, I didn't fight. Just quickly figured out a way to get away.

If this happened to William …. he was only 3 years old.

These creeps try to very quickly befriend you, so they can take you quietly. No fuss. Just quickly steal you away.

 

[Bohemian]

Not so much brave, Bohemian, as I would love for people to understand how damn easy it is to take a child. I lived a short walk from school, was walking down a fairly busy suburban street, in view of lots of houses, and this man attempted this with me. An 8 year old.
He didn’t seem to care who saw him with me. And I was a quiet, shy, little girl – who fortunately had grown up with all brothers, so I had learned how to fight my own battles already. Even then, I didn't fight. Just quickly figured out a way to get away.

If this happened to William …. he was only 3 years old.

These creeps try to very quickly befriend you, so they can take you quietly. No fuss. Just quickly steal you away.

Nevertheless SA you told your story as a warning to anyone who truly cares for children. That takes courage and a strong core; both then and now. You remained calm in a very frightening situation. More power to you, SA.

I can't remember the statistics about stranger/acquaintance-child approaches, abductions and murders but they, just like family violence, are at a high percentage IIRC in our society and have been for far too long. Even so remain alert but not alarmed.

As for child abusers, they are hidden in plain sight. Evil is attracted to innocence.

 

[kiwi50]

Just marking my spot, we will never give up trying to find you William

 

[crabstick]

Was he only named as a POI? Having prior conviction probably doesn't help when you are trying to sue the police. You can rest assured media and police both have considerable legal teams that discuss the legal liable on announcing someone as a 'Person of Interest"

i would be suiing too, if i was innocent, so does make you wonder if bs is innocent why isnt he suiing?

 

[Hbayne]

I remember giving my now teen daughter the spiel about stranger danger ect, I told her that even if they offered her lollies to never accept, her response was " well what kind of lollies would they be ? Good ones" bless her innocent liitle soul !

 

[SouthAussie]

I remember giving my now teen daughter the spiel about stranger danger ect, I told her that even if they offered her lollies to never accept, her response was " well what kind of lollies would they be ? Good ones" bless her innocent liitle soul !

Looking back now, as an adult, I think the one thing that we need to ensure that we instruct our children to do, along with the perils to watch out for, is to come and tell us if something untoward happens to them. Tell them that we will love them, and hug them, and get them icecream .
I was nervous to tell my parents, because I think I thought that I could have done something wrong. 'Let' this stranger take my hand, 'let' him talk to me, whatever. When, in fact I was a child with very little power over an adult's actions.

That way, any horrible thoughts I had later that I should have told, that my parents would have reported the incident and police may have looked out for this creep and warned him, that I could have maybe made him wary about approaching another young child walking home from school, would not have happened.

I am okay with my actions now, now that I have reasoned it out, but for a while in my teens it bothered me.
And even now as an adult, I do not like to relay the story unless I feel it may have some good purpose.

 

[Bohemian]

I remember giving my now teen daughter the spiel about stranger danger ect, I told her that even if they offered her lollies to never accept, her response was " well what kind of lollies would they be ? Good ones" bless her innocent liitle soul !

Oh God Love her Hb.

 

[Bohemian]

Looking back now, as an adult, I think the one thing that we need to ensure that we instruct our children to do, along with the perils to watch out for, is to come and tell us if something untoward happens to them. Tell them that we will love them, and hug them, and get them icecream .
I was nervous to tell my parents, because I think I thought that I could have done something wrong. 'Let' this stranger take my hand, 'let' him talk to me, whatever. When, in fact I was a child with very little power over an adult's actions.

That way, any horrible thoughts I had later that I should have told, that my parents would have reported the incident and police may have looked out for this creep and warned him, that I could have maybe made him wary about approaching another young child walking home from school, would not have happened.

I am okay with my actions now, now that I have reasoned it out, but for a while in my teens it bothered me.
And even now as an adult, I do not like to relay the story unless I feel it may have some good purpose.

[BBM.]

I heartily agree, SA. Even if it's just the fact that they 'feel funny' around someone. We have to take their concerns and their truth-telling seriously and let them know they have a 'soft place to land'; no matter what.

Predators are clever. They know how to groom children. They know how to allay their fears and make children deny their feelings. They tell them lies and make them complicit in their abuse. They know how to initiate feelings of shame in children and how to keep them silent. Not many adults have the presence of mind to recognise an abuser for who they really are; let alone a child.

I am sorry you were put in such a vulnerable position as a child. You didn't deserve to feel the way you did. No child does.

Thank you again for opening up; especially for such an altruistic reason. Much love and respect SA.

 

[SouthAussie]

Well, I think it goes without saying what kind of annoying parent I was! And probably what kind of annoying grandparent I will be. lol

Back to William ... and whatever son of a gun that took him and has caused so much grief and anxiety!!

 

[Bohemian]

Well, I think it goes without saying what kind of annoying parent I was! And probably what kind of annoying grandparent I will be. lol

Back to William ... and whatever son of a gun that took him and has caused so much grief and anxiety!!

Can you guess how seriously I take parenting/grandparenting/child protection?

Hint: *roars*



Sending love, courage, comfort and faith to all who love William.

 

[deugirtni]

Was he only named as a POI? Having prior conviction probably doesn't help when you are trying to sue the police. You can rest assured media and police both have considerable legal teams that discuss the legal liable on announcing someone as a 'Person of Interest"

To my knowledge, BS has no prior convictions. But it can easily be seen how he is interpreted by the public *because* of the reporting that has gone on in this case. And apparently BS was listed in MSM, in error, as being a 'suspect', which was subsequently changed, after the fact. Not soon enough, however.

 

[deugirtni]

i would be suiing too, if i was innocent, so does make you wonder if bs is innocent why isnt he suiing?

I don't think he could bring a lawsuit just yet, because the case isn't solved. Can you imagine if he sued and then was subsequently charged and convicted after receiving a windfall for defamation? i think he will have to wait until the case is solved and someone else is charged, jmo. It seems unfair that he can continue to be named as a poi for years, with no resolution either way - either charge him, or clear him - but yet they cannot - not until the case is solved. In the meantime, BS's life is held in limbo, having been named in MSM, which leads people to assume guilt.

 

[Bohemian]

'Married to a Monster' about unsuspecting partners of child sex offenders was on 60 Minutes tonight.

Thread here:

Australia - 60 Minutes: Married to a Monster, 30 October 2016

 

[SouthAussie]

'Married to a Monster' about unsuspecting partners of child sex offenders was on 60 Minutes tonight.

Thread here:

Australia - 60 Minutes: Married to a Monster, 30 October 2016

I just watched that on TV and came here to mention it, too. There is an organisation called Partner Speak for the partners to support each other through the healing process following the realisation that the person you thought you knew has been watching and trading child .
One woman had discovered the images on their/his computer herself, and turned him in.

 

[Bohemian]

I just watched that on TV and came here to mention it, too. There is an organisation called Partner Speak for the partners to support each other through the healing process following the realisation that the person you thought you knew has been watching and trading child .
One woman had discovered the images on their/his computer herself, and turned him in.

The first partner also discovered her now-ex husband had been uploading material involving himself and the 15 year old daughter of a neighbour who he had been sexually exploiting. The head of Task Force Argos' comments were interesting.

Now back to William. God Love him.

 

[Ellmau]

Another here sad to see this case relegated to Missing but not Forgotten. With 25 threads to date and the case still active, might it be a candidate for its own sub-forum?

 

[Bohemian]

Another here sad to see this case relegated to Missing but not Forgotten. With 25 threads to date and the case still active, might it be a candidate for its own sub-forum?

Yes, that thought crossed my mind when greg posted earlier. It wouldn't hurt for you to ask Ell.

 

[Wexford]

'Married to a Monster' about unsuspecting partners of child sex offenders was on 60 Minutes tonight.

Thread here:

Australia - 60 Minutes: Married to a Monster, 30 October 2016

I watched it also. I couldn't help but wonder at the timing of it. I wonder how many of these 'people' have been exposed as a result of investigations related to William? I thought she was an incredibly brave and compassionate woman and I really felt for her. She still had more concern for those children than herself. I wonder how many find (or suspect) this sort of thing and do not report it? i dare say it isn't an easy thing to report, but I don't have the words to describe what it is probably like for the children involved.

 

[Violet77]

Still targeting NSW & QLD... obviously we know why NSW, but why QLD, why not all of Australia, makes me think Jube's has a very good idea of what happened & who they are targeting.

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-...ies-join-the-campaign-to-find-william/7979394


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