Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

[louisepiglet]

toddlers speak at varying degrees of accuracy at different ages. wt is actually shown/heard putting words together in that birthday video, albeit he is rather difficult to understand (although i'm sure his FPs can understand him, and many of us too). from his little (actually big) personality there, his attempts at sentence-making, his understanding of what fp is saying to him, his appearance, his body language, i'm certain he is 2 in that video. again, jmo. Too bad the candle(s) are already gone, or the cake decoration presumably stating the age!

My three boys were all slow to speak. I worried about all of them. You would think that by number three I would be used to it lol. I think William may be two in the video because his speech seems to be very similar to my boys at two. Boys seem to be slower to speak clearly than girls. Also, if he came from a home where he was subjected to some form of neglect it may have affected his development.

 

[deugirtni]

38.5 months is 3 years 2 and half months, so on the lower side of 3. So he was 2 or 1 year of age when removed. Not referring to you koios, I still cant see how this helps us. How can this help us? I have always presumed an 18 month window of removal, but I cant see how this helps us?



Nothing about 38.5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_William_Tyrrell



The chances are minuscule. The search extensive.

Surely we have to admit that the chances of the sun and moon and stars coming together in perfect harmony for an abductor to come along at just that tiny window of unsupervised opportunity is also minuscule? Since nobody knows what has in fact happened to him, why is it a problem for all theories to be considered respectfully?

 

[bearbear]

agree, maybe william and his sister were given up voluntarily for whatever reason, and bm makes a fresh start with a new family

 

[Bohemian]

agree, maybe william and his sister were given up voluntarily for whatever reason, and bm makes a fresh start with a new family

Not saying this is the case at all but sadly this does happen. Children and grandchildren are abandoned in favour of a new life and/or partner and a chance to forget past 'mistakes'. Heartbreaking.

 

[deugirtni]

Not saying this is the case at all but sadly this does happen. Children and grandchildren are abandoned in favour of a new life and/or partner and a chance to forget past 'mistakes'. Heartbreaking.

i wasn't really suggesting that type of thing, so much as perhaps a situational thing where at the time, it may have made sense for her, to her and possibly others. It doesn't seem that she has tried to forget and seems they all still get together from what i can tell. I recall police in the beginning stating that there were no weird family things that would be known to perhaps cause a party to take the child from another.. at the time i thought that was a weird thing to say, under the circumstances, but if WT were placed with FF voluntarily, that would kind of explain that thinking?

 

[asac]

If you're referring to William's biological father, that's not the case. Police know where he is. The same applies to William's uncles.

Can I ask how you know this?

 

[tiddles24]

Can I ask how you know this?

Re Post #350, I would like to know this as well.....Is there a link please, Makara?....I must have missed something, as I have often wondered if that was the case....:tyou:

 

[crabstick]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^check the link in the post of #351 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Re Post #350, I would like to know this as well.....Is there a link please, Makara?....I must have missed something, as I have often wondered if that was the case....:tyou:

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[louisepiglet]

Then again we all know there are women who have babies solely to avoid working for a living. Or to keep a partner.

 

[Makara]

Re Post #350, I would like to know this as well.....Is there a link please, Makara?....I must have missed something, as I have often wondered if that was the case....:tyou:

No there isn't a link that I can post here so It's my opinion.

 

[Bohemian]

i wasn't really suggesting that type of thing, so much as perhaps a situational thing where at the time, it may have made sense for her, to her and possibly others. It doesn't seem that she has tried to forget and seems they all still get together from what i can tell. I recall police in the beginning stating that there were no weird family things that would be known to perhaps cause a party to take the child from another.. at the time i thought that was a weird thing to say, under the circumstances, but if WT were placed with FF voluntarily, that would kind of explain that thinking?

I was replying to bb, deu and it was a general statement based partly on my own experience as a child. I understand your points however. I don't remember police saying that a parental kidnapping wasn't a line of enquiry very early on in the investigation; although subsequently it has been stated that William's relatives have been cleared. I would like to bookmark and archive the earlier link. Could you post it please deu?

 

[Sillybilly]

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[crabstick]

Police have stated that all of William's families have been cleared by the police.


URL: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...s/news-story/3f72de598e8911b15a852140629a0e9c
Title: Daniel Morcombe’s dad critical of gag on William’s parents
Publisher: The Weekend Australian
Date:The Australian 12:00AM April 18, 2015
Author: Dan Box Crime reporter Sydney
Online: 3:45pm 8Oct 2016 - Status: Non paywall

 

[Hbayne]

I guess we all can assume pretty much certainly that William is a foster child but police and msm have never as far as I know stated this at any time. Complicated is all that has been said, so anything about his time in care ect would have to be unverified I guess.

 

[crabstick]

Apr 18, 2015 - William Tyrrell is more or less a full time foster child, whose foster ... William was with his foster parents and foster grandmother when he was ...

Ref: Google search
Content: Google metadata
Source: The Australian Newspaper
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=QcL4V67uPKXM8geX24LYAg

 

[jerdipski]

My bad.. Thanks for pointing that out Makara.

 

[Bohemian]

Permanency planning in child protection: a review of current concepts and available data 2016
Released: 20 Sep 2016
Author: Australian Institute of Health and Welfare, Australian Government

http://www.aihw.gov.au/publication-detail/?id=60129557071

'Permanency planning and long-term care for children in out-of-home care can involve family reunification, third-party parental responsibility orders, long-term finalised guardianship/custody orders and adoptions by carers. This report describes concepts and available data in this area, and development work being undertaken to improve national reporting.

Available data indicate:

• There were 31,129 children on finalised guardianship/custody orders and 9,070 children on finalised third-party parental responsibility orders at 30 June 2015.
• There were 94 adoptions by carers finalised in 2014–15.
• Most (87%) children who had been continuously in care for 2 or more years had also spent at least 2 years in one main care arrangement.'

Publication download:

• Permanency planning in child protection: a review of current concepts and available data 2016 (1.4MB PDF): http://www.aihw.gov.au/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=60129557082
• Appendix A: Permanent care-related concepts, definitions, legislative and policy contexts, by jurisdiction (233KB PDF): http://www.aihw.gov.au/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=60129557083
• Appendix B: National mapping of care and protection orders (370KB PDF): http://www.aihw.gov.au/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=60129557084

 

[koios]

Nothing about 38.5: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_William_Tyrrell

"born 26 June 2011". "disappeared ....12 September 2014"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_William_Tyrrell
A quick calculation gives age at disappearance = 38.5 months

 

[deugirtni]

I was replying to bb, deu and it was a general statement based partly on my own experience as a child. I understand your points however. I don't remember police saying that a parental kidnapping wasn't a line of enquiry very early on in the investigation; although subsequently it has been stated that William's relatives have been cleared. I would like to bookmark and archive the earlier link. Could you post it please deu?

i'm not sure if this is what i was referring to (i'm going from memory), but I found this (bbm);

William has a complicated family history and, for legal reasons, his family cannot be identified.

And that, in itself, has started gossip. But there is no history of family conflict. Everyone has been interviewed and the whereabouts of all relatives checked out and verified.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/missing-william-tyrell-casts-dark-shadow-over-town-20141031-11fbdi.html

 

[koios]

I think Detective Jubelin's team will have already investigated all possible abduction scenarios (by non-stranger or by stranger, planned or opportunistic) about a thousand times more thoroughly than any of us have the resources to do.