Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

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Off topic but tragically Stephanie Scott's father has been reportedly killed in an accident with a falling tree. You have to wonder how this world we live in works. Truly devastating.
 
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Off topic but tragically Stephanie Scott's father has been reportedly killed in an accident with a falling tree. You have to wonder how this world we live in works. Truly devastating.

Sad news indeed Hb. It just doesn't seem fair.

Goodnight my beautiful WSers :loveyou: :offtobed:
 
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Melbourne Magistrates sex court, a day in the life

http://www.wauchopegazette.com.au/story/4259580/a-day-in-the-life-of-the-sex-court/

What a difficult job..

I notice the article says this ...... could be very applicable in Spedding's cases.

prosecutor Wall says ..... And we're beginning to see an increase of reporting of historical matters."

This, she suggests, could be a result of increased publicity due to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

"It could be that people are feeling more supported."
 
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Just a couple of local news stories that might be of interest.

BRAVEHEARTS criminologist Carol Ronken will be a special guest at the organisation’s third annual breakfast at Port Macquarie Panthers.

The November 24 breakfast, hosted by Bravehearts Mid North Coast, will support child protection through education.

Bravehearts’ vision is to make Australia the safest place in the world to raise a child with its child safety blueprint called the three piers to prevention - educate, empower, protect.
http://www.portnews.com.au/story/4266871/educate-empower-and-protect/?cs=257

Kids remain reluctant to report sexual abuse, study finds

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/4269053/kids-remain-reluctant-to-report-abuse/?cs=2452

 
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Just to jog the memory
Tony Jones- white station wagon
Paul Bickford- silver or grey sedan driver
The two reportedly met up the day of Williams disappearance
These cars fit fm's description of cars seen that morning in her street
Both convicted of sexual abuse of children
I know this has all been discussed but sometimes good to look back at these things that cannot just be a coincidence
 
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Great find, can take a bit more guess work out of some of these court appearances in NSW.

Can you elaborate Froggy? I'm confused
 
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Where would these monsters meet to carry out the disgusting vial acts they do? How long would they have?

One lives in a pub. The other lived with family? They had to go somewhere?

Dunboggan? They have to have somewhere

Just to jog the memory
Tony Jones- white station wagon
Paul Bickford- silver or grey sedan driver
The two reportedly met up the day of Williams disappearance
These cars fit fm's description of cars seen that morning in her street
Both convicted of sexual abuse of children
I know this has all been discussed but sometimes good to look back at these things that cannot just be a coincidence
 
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Where would these monsters meet to carry out the disgusting vial acts they do? How long would they have?

One lives in a pub. The other lived with family? They had to go somewhere?

Dunboggan? They have to have somewhere

If such a thing happened, I cannot see WT being held in the surrounding 20km radius while such extensive searches were going on and locals on high alert. Unless he was made quiet and held until he could be passed on. PB reckons he was having lunch with his wife and family friends at a club in Port Macquarie. TJ came home drunk at about 2pm after "looking for scrap metal", his family claims he mentioned meeting PB before he left. But this is the same family who were absolutely surprised by the extent of his rap sheet, were very quick to separate themselves from him, even though they would have known he was up on charges for repeated CSA of an 11 year old,(he was living with them at that stage), an estranged wife and her brother know KL well, the brother has lived with KL for years, and KL has become WT's bio grandmothers best friend since the beginning of this year? BS apparently doesn't go to Dunbogan til the afternoon. My understanding is at the time of WT's disappearance is that DN was living at Dunbogan. If we go by penchants for certain genders, (which i'm told is unreliable in classifying pedos), the POI who has form around young boys is DN. Was it a delivery to him at Dunbogan, and then what......? Where was he put? Where was he moved around? I think the time factor around all these men needs to be extended out to at least 2 weeks from the time WT went missing and all their movements accounted for and unfortunately, audits, however possible of bank accounts or any assets that have been acquired since WT went missing................. I feel sure police would have done all that. If there was a collaboration between TJ, PB and BS,(let's call them F*Knuckle and associates) then I can think of 3 motives. personal sexual gratification, child recovery (for money), child exploitation/trafficking (for money). If they are involved together, then I think the 1st motive the most unlikely and grim. The second option, more likely as they are all seem to be involved in kinship of younger relatives and may (even with the crimes they have committed) be sympathetic to WT being returned to bio family, and wanting to supplement lower incomes. Third option, just as grim as the 1st and they are in contact with a network and can pass him on quickly. But I think all 3 options would need WT to be removed from the local area asap. When I look at TJ's in laws and friends, they are the most interesting degrees of separation in WT's case. Much has been made of BS Wellington connections but has either been downplayed by TJ's in laws and friend,(The 2 men never had much to do with each other, he fixed my washing machine years ago, TJ's daughter bought a washing machine from him) or they truly didn't have much to do with him. Or.......... They did a child recovery/kidnap and one of the 3 betrayed them and moved WT on for bigger profit to a network, or the person transporting him found there was too much heat around his disappearance, panicked and unfortunately got rid of him? They are all accessories at the least to kidnap and too terrified to open their mouths. I have noted TJ seemed quick to plead guilty to the CSA's for a downgrade on charges, usually tells me they have done more. And now he is up on a further 5 charges of the same calibre, not historical. What does he have to bargain with this time and should his estranged in-laws be a bit nicer to him, covertly at least? I don't hear mention yet of his wife being his ex wife, only estranged, and yet she has made it very clear in MSM that not only will her family have nothing to do with him but his own mother and the rest of the family won't either. I wonder if there was an implied threat in there to him. This is the woman who has denounced her husband publicly, had her husband bury her dead dog in her parents grave, still supports GAPA as a great organisation, is friends with KL, and will fight till her last dying breath for stronger penalties against child sex crimes but has had a softer stance on the same subject on social media. Why would the police even be interested in KL except for her association with TJ's in-laws? MOO
 
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continuing......... and couldn't help police it seems initially with where her white station wagon was. Don't know who it was who informed the police of it's whereabouts after the 60 mins WT interview. This woman seems like the more powerful one in the marriage to me. MOO
 
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If such a thing happened, I cannot see WT being held in the surrounding 20km radius while such extensive searches were going on and locals on high alert. Unless he was made quiet and held until he could be passed on. PB reckons he was having lunch with his wife and family friends at a club in Port Macquarie. TJ came home drunk at about 2pm after "looking for scrap metal", his family claims he mentioned meeting PB before he left. But this is the same family who were absolutely surprised by the extent of his rap sheet, were very quick to separate themselves from him, even though they would have known he was up on charges for repeated CSA of an 11 year old,(he was living with them at that stage), an estranged wife and her brother know KL well, the brother has lived with KL for years, and KL has become WT's bio grandmothers best friend since the beginning of this year? BS apparently doesn't go to Dunbogan til the afternoon. My understanding is at the time of WT's disappearance is that DN was living at Dunbogan. If we go by penchants for certain genders, (which i'm told is unreliable in classifying pedos), the POI who has form around young boys is DN. Was it a delivery to him at Dunbogan, and then what......? Where was he put? Where was he moved around? I think the time factor around all these men needs to be extended out to at least 2 weeks from the time WT went missing and all their movements accounted for and unfortunately, audits, however possible of bank accounts or any assets that have been acquired since WT went missing................. I feel sure police would have done all that. If there was a collaboration between TJ, PB and BS,(let's call them F*Knuckle and associates) then I can think of 3 motives. personal sexual gratification, child recovery (for money), child exploitation/trafficking (for money). If they are involved together, then I think the 1st motive the most unlikely and grim. The second option, more likely as they are all seem to be involved in kinship of younger relatives and may (even with the crimes they have committed) be sympathetic to WT being returned to bio family, and wanting to supplement lower incomes. Third option, just as grim as the 1st and they are in contact with a network and can pass him on quickly. But I think all 3 options would need WT to be removed from the local area asap. When I look at TJ's in laws and friends, they are the most interesting degrees of separation in WT's case. Much has been made of BS Wellington connections but has either been downplayed by TJ's in laws and friend,(The 2 men never had much to do with each other, he fixed my washing machine years ago, TJ's daughter bought a washing machine from him) or they truly didn't have much to do with him. Or.......... They did a child recovery/kidnap and one of the 3 betrayed them and moved WT on for bigger profit to a network, or the person transporting him found there was too much heat around his disappearance, panicked and unfortunately got rid of him? They are all accessories at the least to kidnap and too terrified to open their mouths. I have noted TJ seemed quick to plead guilty to the CSA's for a downgrade on charges, usually tells me they have done more. And now he is up on a further 5 charges of the same calibre, not historical. What does he have to bargain with this time and should his estranged in-laws be a bit nicer to him, covertly at least? I don't hear mention yet of his wife being his ex wife, only estranged, and yet she has made it very clear in MSM that not only will her family have nothing to do with him but his own mother and the rest of the family won't either. I wonder if there was an implied threat in there to him. This is the woman who has denounced her husband publicly, had her husband bury her dead dog in her parents grave, still supports GAPA as a great organisation, is friends with KL, and will fight till her last dying breath for stronger penalties against child sex crimes but has had a softer stance on the same subject on social media. Why would the police even be interested in KL except for her association with TJ's in-laws? MOO

You make good points. I am leaning very much towards Option 2 at the moment for a lot of reasons. But I have concerns that even Option 2 in this case could also involve something more sinister due to the complicated history. There are way too many connections and supposed co-incidences for my liking in this whole scenario and people who seem to not quite be who they appear. I guess you can be whoever you choose in cyberspace. At the end of the day a little boy has gone missing and I fear very much for his safety in this case with any of these options.
 
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Dunbogan has a lot of boating infrastructure?
 
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