Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

[sosocurious]

You would think a coronial inquest would trump FACs, but I ponder how powerful these suppression orders are. Maybe coronial inquest doesn't become public?
With suppression orders in place, information is short on the ground. We have a person in jail, another in court. I ponder if police have flanked the case, putting POIs in prison on other charges which means community is safe from these persons.

At times, I think William is alive based on attributes I cannot make mention of. But I query how long he could stay below the radar without being discovered in this day and age with technology available. Eventually he would be exposed mainly in part due to his maturity and awareness.
The question would be, who has him, where would he be under the radar?
He would have to be rural and someone would have known he was there at the perfect time in the morning, perfect time of the week, in the perfect place to abduct. Houses considerably recessed from the verge with frontal barrier foliage.
The person was either resident to the street, or a visitor to the street which has an extremely low traffic rate when everyone is taking their children to school. This was a rural dead end street, inside the working week when everyone was taking kids to school or at work, cafe etc.
The abduction was the perfect time that the least amount of people would be around

Grandma was selling, the window inside the place of abduction was coming to an end. Someone knew this.

Police have mapped all the known visitors that may have entered the street. Police have mapped everyone that was home. People are accounted for. Nearly everyone was accounted for.

The window of opportunity opened. The visitor who was either watching, or entered the street at the perfect time of abduction they anticipated would make a great window of opportune that arose.

Does someone have that tennis club footage? :happydance:

There was one other possibility. The house was for sale across the road. I cant remember if it were occupied? But usually, unless you are a resident of nearby area, you would have a real estate agent accompany you to view inside. Exterior elevations are digital now. A person would want to see inside, let alone walk the distant driveway to the house drawing suspicion.
That's the only other possible unlikely visitor scenario in a rural dead end street with an extremely low traffic rate.

What have I missed?

BBM

Jubelin in the reward announcement media conference did say something along the lines of there 690 ish poi. We target poi according to risk. What methodology we use I am not going into.

This local media article approx a month (24 Dec 2014)before Jubelin took lead and the case being handed to the coroner as a suspected death.

http://www.portnews.com.au/story/2782283/william-tyrell-search-is-not-over/

The state crime command's homicide squad took charge of the investigation in early December.

But detective inspector Hans Rupp said the public shouldn't read too much into his squad's involvement.

"We're only involved because we want to make sure it is done thoroughly," the homicide investigator said.

"We don't know whether William is alive or dead at this stage."

## 9 Dec the investigation into BS due to his treatment of children by FACS and local detectives.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e/news-story/73350ebd1be700109fa5a5eb5bb06d0c


Nearly three months later the homicide squad are conscious of the community's concern over Christmas.

Mr Rupp said he and his team are "pursuing a number of lines of inquiry, and we will persist with them for some time".

The investigator did not rule out seeking the public's help, as his team did in November when they used security footage from the Kendall Tennis Club.

He stressed that the search for William is far from over.

"It's going to go on for some time, there's no doubt of that."

It does seem as though it was expected this was going to be a long and winding investigation that would cast the net wide very early on. imo

Are the billboards still on the highway?

 

[crabstick]

If it was random abduction that police perpetrate it to be, who ever committed this crime, had the mindset to weigh the risks, analyse the geography to assess the risk was incredibly low at the perfect window of time in the perfect abduction scenario with all favourable attributes to carry out the crime.

Its not like the Morcombe case where the road was a thoroughfare.
Traffic loads in Benaroon extremely low.
The visitor factor is incredibly low and visitors are accounted for.
There is that ever slim chance someone may have been trafficking drugs attracting undesirables that might have seen Will as a commodity?
The build up of locals and police looking for William was relatively fast.
If wealthy parents had been in witness protect, police presence would have been almost immediate.
Duress alarm.

 

[sosocurious]

I have felt from the beginning that the wealthy Foster Parents have been in Witness Protection from the start......something bad has happened to William along the way......it is like a revenge kidnapping.

The article from Natalie Collins (18 months after William's disappearance) has come a little too late.......made my theory ring that bit more true with the bio grandmother hinting that this could be a coverup in some way and I think she may be spot on!

The abduction by a pedophile ring was a total diversion and the police are working on the real theories...MOO

But if a couple of pedo's come down along the way then that is a good thing. imo

 

[crabstick]

But if a couple of pedo's come down along the way then that is a good thing. imo

If someone was producing illegal child for large sums of money, that is a good thing too.

Was it Dunboggan someone said they went out to?

Speculative theorising. Where they with someone may have had a boat to take a body out to sea?
If they said they went there, then they would have gone there. Whether they killed two birds with one stone is another matter.
Its an alibi and everyone appears to have that covered.
The million dollars hasnt drawn them out the woodwork.

 

[tiddles24]

A lot of people have been deceived in this case and the investigators need to go back to where it all began.

Why hasn't there been more urgency to find William?

I don't believe that William was taken by anyone involved in a pedophile ring.
Investigators have successfully charged and prosecuted many pedophiles who were living in the general area of where William disappeared....There is no indication that any of them were involved in William's disappearance.

FACS and William's complicated family history play a huge part.

Was William captured at McDonalds on CCTV on the trip up to Kendall?
Why did the foster family leave a day before originally planned?....Did they know that they were being watched and followed?

Is it possible that the last photo of William in his Spiderman Suit taken by foster mum could have been taken off a previous photo earlier that morning and time stamped with the later time?

William disappeared while his foster dad was away making that facetime call.

William had been playing with his sister, who then runs inside to the bathroom...William is left unsupervised for 5 minutes and disappears into thin air...Sister doesn't know what happened.

Then we have the "gag orders" for legal reasons...on foster and bio parents.

I'm getting fed up with the continual "If you know something please come forward or ring Crimestoppers"....Nobody came forward for the $1,000,000 Reward...MOO

 

[crabstick]

Police would know if the EXIF data had been edited.
I agree, obviously any McDonalds video footage would bd handy.
I always pondered WT may have been followed from Maccas playground.

 

[deugirtni]

I have felt from the beginning that the wealthy Foster Parents have been in Witness Protection from the start......something bad has happened to William along the way......it is like a revenge kidnapping.

The article from Natalie Collins (18 months after William's disappearance) has come a little too late.......made my theory ring that bit more true with the bio grandmother hinting that this could be a coverup in some way and I think she may be spot on!

The abduction by a pedophile ring was a total diversion and the police are working on the real theories...MOO

The 'wealthy foster parents' had a history (that was viewable online) from before this happened, and continue to have one under the same names after this event. Doesn't that preclude their being in a witness protection program?

 

[bearbear]

If it was random abduction that police perpetrate it to be, who ever committed this crime, had the mindset to weigh the risks, analyse the geography to assess the risk was incredibly low at the perfect window of time in the perfect abduction scenario with all favourable attributes to carry out the crime.

Its not like the Morcombe case where the road was a thoroughfare.
Traffic loads in Benaroon extremely low.
The visitor factor is incredibly low and visitors are accounted for.
There is that ever slim chance someone may have been trafficking drugs attracting undesirables that might have seen Will as a commodity?
The build up of locals and police looking for William was relatively fast.
If wealthy parents had been in witness protect, police presence would have been almost immediate.
Duress alarm.

police presence was almost immediate
a neighbour hiding in their bushes is a likely scenario too, maybe someone who has wanted to do this for a long time and seized their opportunity?
several of the neighbours have now moved away

 

[crabstick]

There was a neighbour that had little furniture? Police must have questioned all the neighbours extensively.

Interesting all the neighbours moved away. That is an expensive exercise moving, especially if they are the home owner. The publicity must be some of the factor?

I'm open to one the neighbours but they must have shifted WT away fast. I would be rather nervous if the police came back for an interview. All the neighbours have been timelined and have an alibi?

police presence was almost immediate
a neighbour hiding in their bushes is a likely scenario too, maybe someone who has wanted to do this for a long time and seized their opportunity?
several of the neighbours have now moved away

 

[butterstick]

A lot of people have been deceived in this case and the investigators need to go back to where it all began.

Might be better for William if we phrased conjecture more cautiously.

Can't claim many people have been deceived, because nobody knows where William is.

 

[Eloise]

The 'wealthy foster parents' had a history (that was viewable online) from before this happened, and continue to have one under the same names after this event. Doesn't that preclude their being in a witness protection program?

This. The FPs identities are known to many people including people here. They had completely open social media before this incident with many photos of WT and his sister, their car, their home. The FD has a professional identity that he has not (probably can not) hide entirely. He is just a regular middle class businessman.

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[Hbayne]

I have felt from the beginning that the wealthy Foster Parents have been in Witness Protection from the start......something bad has happened to William along the way......it is like a revenge kidnapping.

The article from Natalie Collins (18 months after William's disappearance) has come a little too late.......made my theory ring that bit more true with the bio grandmother hinting that this could be a coverup in some way and I think she may be spot on!

The abduction by a pedophile ring was a total diversion and the police are working on the real theories...MOO

Would people in witness protection have Facebook profiles ? I wouldn't think so.

 

[Bohemian]

FYI. The RCSO who wrote 'stories' about William and Madeline McCann whilst in prison has a new residence:

Tasmanian child sex offender Sonny Day moved from Ellendale after arson attack
BY EDITH BEVIN
TUE JAN 24 18:40:09 EST 2017

'The Tasmanian Government has confirmed convicted child sex offender Sonny Day has been moved from the Freedom Centre at Ellendale in the Derwent Valley but would not say where he is currently living.'

'It is understood Day's new home is on Hobart's eastern shore near the seaside suburb of Lauderdale - popular with families.'

 

[Karo]

This. The FPs identities are known to many people including people here. They had completely open social media before this incident with many photos of WT and his sister, their car, their home. The FD has a professional identity that he has not (probably can not) hide entirely. He is just a regular middle class businessman.

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I have not seen anything that shows them to be wealthy, well off perhaps.

 

[Eloise]

I have not seen anything that shows them to be wealthy, well off perhaps.

I agree. Killara (the suburb they live in - as published in The Australian, it's no secret, further eliminating any chance they are or ever have been in WP) is a really nice suburb and their home is no doubt worth a great deal of money and he has a very good career. But they're not on the level of executive CEO celebrity, as has been speculated on here sometimes. Of course, I understand where that speculation comes from, because if you weren't following the case in its earliest hours and days then you missed the chance to see their FB and other pages without having to be sneaky about it.

 

[frogwell]

I always hoped that with the FM remembering the cars on the 1st night, that fingerprinting was done around all the door frames and accessible windows. Thought being that the occupants of the cars had been there since the night/pre dawn the day before he went missing, they might have scoped the house and tried to gain access the night before WT went missing.... also to see if WT left fingerprints on the back door, dishes, cutlery etc.

 

[tiddles24]

Might be better for William if we phrased conjecture more cautiously.

Can't claim many people have been deceived, because nobody knows where William is.

With due respect....How do you know that?....Somebody knows where William is and it's about time we are told the TRUTH.

I totally believe the Caroline Overington story that "Many lies have been told to the public".....She must have good reasons for publishing that, as she is a highly respected Australian Journalist....She has no need to lie.

There are too many coincidences and inconsistencies in this case.

A 3 year-old boy cannot possibly disappear into thin air while unsupervised for 5 minutes.

I believe Caroline Overington and I do believe that we, the public, will NEVER hear the TRUTH about what REALLY happened to William...MOO

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I agree. Killara (the suburb they live in - as published in The Australian, it's no secret, further eliminating any chance they are or ever have been in WP) is a really nice suburb and their home is no doubt worth a great deal of money and he has a very good career. But they're not on the level of executive CEO celebrity, as has been speculated on here sometimes. Of course, I understand where that speculation comes from, because if you weren't following the case in its earliest hours and days then you missed the chance to see their FB and other pages without having to be sneaky about it.

bbm

----> me, unfortunately. :tantrum:

 

[nat198]

bbm

----> me, unfortunately. :tantrum:

I was around from the start but had just had a baby so in the newborn fog must have missed a lot as I didn't see it either!

I grew up in killara. It's a lovely suburb.

 

[tiddles24]

bbm

----> me, unfortunately. :tantrum:

Me too, unfortunately..:tantrum: