Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #25

[tiddles24]

When WT's FF returned from near Kew he immediately was very very frightened and weeping searched for William, not only then but for days and in the neighbourhood again and again. For me this points to his shock maybe to have been warned and now indeed found the little boy abducted. He couldn't believe it and he obviously wouldn't believe it. - IMO My feeling only.

I have also felt this right from the very beginning FG...Could this be a part of what Caroline Overington was referring to...all the lies being told to the public?

Could this be the reason for the foster family leaving a day earlier than planned on the Thursday to throw the perps off?...Sounds feasible to me.

It only took the police 6 minutes to be on the scene after foster mum's 000 call...so much almost immediate action from ALL sources.

A 3 year old boy just doesn't disappear into thin air while unsupervised for 5 minutes, from an environment only a few "supposedly" knew about at that precise time...MOO

 

[matey]

William's foster father took part in the search every day...others involved in the search obviously knew this...the media knew who he was, but just couldn't publish his name...the foster grandmas's address was widely known...the foster mum was also active in the search, so it's not like they were totally incognito.

Does anyone know what the purpose of that particular level of anonymity is that their names couldn't be published in msm, even though many people knew who they were...it's a genuine question...what is the risk or the rationale?

I believe that locating a missing child should be the first and foremost concern, moreso than the foster parents identity...MOO

 

[tiddles24]

We are a tech advanced world and why we can't find someone in today's age is beyond me.
When someone goes missing, especially an innocent person, I think that there should be a shortcut to all legal avenues that can be used to find the innocent.
Something should be done in these cases to speed up the process of the law.
The innocent's rights need to come before the rights of their parents, the public and/or their perpetrators...MOO

 

[JLZ]

We are a tech advanced world and why we can't find someone in today's age is beyond me.
When someone goes missing, especially an innocent person, I think that there should be a shortcut to all legal avenues that can be used to find the innocent.
Something should be done in these cases to speed up the process of the law.
The innocent's rights need to come before the rights of their parents, the public and/or their perpetrators...MOO

. . . and government departments.

 

[Eloise]

William's foster father took part in the search every day...others involved in the search obviously knew this...the media knew who he was, but just couldn't publish his name...the foster grandmas's address was widely known...the foster mum was also active in the search, so it's not like they were totally incognito.

Does anyone know what the purpose of that particular level of anonymity is that their names couldn't be published in msm, even though many people knew who they were...it's a genuine question...what is the risk or the rationale?

I believe that locating a missing child should be the first and foremost concern, moreso than the foster parents identity...MOO

The law lags behind society (as it is a reflection of society, rather than the shaper of it) especially with regard to tech and communications and social media. That everyone that day who cared to could find out the foster families names, address, vehicle details, workplace, names of extended fam and friends within minutes is irrelevant to the law. And mainstream media has to follow laws that social media doesn't*- at least as of now. Will that change? Maybe. It will take time though.

*hence why only MSM is allowed as a source here ...

ETA and technically it's about protecting the identity of the children, not the parents. William's sister is no doubt a prime reason for the level of secrecy being enforced.

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[sleepinoz]

We are a tech advanced world and why we can't find someone in today's age is beyond me.
When someone goes missing, especially an innocent person, I think that there should be a shortcut to all legal avenues that can be used to find the innocent.
Something should be done in these cases to speed up the process of the law.
The innocent's rights need to come before the rights of their parents, the public and/or their perpetrators...MOO

Some would argue, but William and his sisters rights are being protected under Section 105 of[FONT=&amp]Children and Young Persons (Care and Protection) Act 1998.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/caypapa1998442/s105.html[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]One of the reasons (there are probably many of them) would be that Williams sister cannot be identified (as per the Act) – and I would also say because of the “complicated family history”. It is NOT protecting the Parents or anyone else.[/FONT]

[FONT=&amp]I’m sure nobody would want to put another child’s life in danger.[/FONT]

Just because we the public do not get to know every single aspect of Williams history and this case, it doesn’t mean that the Police don’t know. Could be that the complicated family history could put others in danger – We Don’t Know.

We are only being told, on what you might say, is a “need to know” basis.

If that is what is needed to keep any of the other children safe, then I’m all for it.

 

[JLZ]

We don't know what it is we don't know. If Caroline Overington was talking about the fact of the foster care situation, and the exact identities of the families, her reaction seems disproportionate. So perhaps she meant something else . . . an accidental release of information such as happened in Victoria recently, or even an ongoing situation within the NSW department which in her opinion puts children at risk.

 

[sleepinoz]

We don't know what it is we don't know. If Caroline Overington was talking about the fact of the foster care situation, and the exact identities of the families, her reaction seems disproportionate. So perhaps she meant something else . . . an accidental release of information such as happened in Victoria recently, or even an ongoing situation within the NSW department which in her opinion puts children at risk.

Maybe she was being overly dramatic because she wants the law changed to suit her and other Journalists ???

You are correct - we don't know.

 

[Wexford]

William's foster father took part in the search every day...others involved in the search obviously knew this...the media knew who he was, but just couldn't publish his name...the foster grandmas's address was widely known...the foster mum was also active in the search, so it's not like they were totally incognito.

Does anyone know what the purpose of that particular level of anonymity is that their names couldn't be published in msm, even though many people knew who they were...it's a genuine question...what is the risk or the rationale?

I believe that locating a missing child should be the first and foremost concern, moreso than the foster parents identity...MOO

BBM

If you subscribe to the theory that it was all a planned abduction, I think it is possible that this could also serve to muddy the waters and make it even more difficult for William to be traced. I have always been of the belief that the gag order did NOT come from the government department. And lets face it, even if it did....would they really be able to uphold it to this level?

 

[sleepinoz]

BBM

If you subscribe to the theory that it was all a planned abduction, I think it is possible that this could also serve to muddy the waters and make it even more difficult for William to be traced. I have always been of the belief that the gag order did NOT come from the government department. And lets face it, even if it did....would they really be able to uphold it to this level?

IMO they can try - they just took one FB group to court over the exact thing.

 

[Bohemian]

IMO they can try - they just took one FB group to court over the exact thing.

That particular department wields a lot of clout, legally and politically. If you read the Child and Young Persons Care and Protection Act (link posted above) you'll be left wondering just who our children 'belong' to.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

BBM
Or possibly MS, or DJ.....not NC though. I guess it depends on your definition of large. Some would call large a person of big stature whereas some might say large rather than chubby or overweight.

I vague remember the woman should have been a "blonde". Yes, KL maybe could most likely fit the description. I looked for a pic and noticed her very long ponytail one could describe as being "blonde". If she didn't wear her ballerina pumps but high heels then she would appear "big" I think. With her ballerina pumps she has almost the size of the reporter beside her.

 

[matey]

The law lags behind society (as it is a reflection of society, rather than the shaper of it) especially with regard to tech and communications and social media. That everyone that day who cared to could find out the foster families names, address, vehicle details, workplace, names of extended fam and friends within minutes is irrelevant to the law. And mainstream media has to follow laws that social media doesn't*- at least as of now. Will that change? Maybe. It will take time though.

*hence why only MSM is allowed as a source here ...

ETA and technically it's about protecting the identity of the children, not the parents. William's sister is no doubt a prime reason for the level of secrecy being enforced.

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Regarding the level of secrecy being enforced, I have noticed that William's BM has pics of William and his sister taken with her other two children on her current social media page....Out of respect for William's ongoing case, you would think that this is not a good idea, with regard to the other three children's safety and wellbeing....Just a thought. MOO

 

[sosocurious]

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw....#/detail/20150011963915445997Mention/spedding
BS - 7 Feb for mention - Judge Huggett

Wonder what happened in today's hearing before Judge Blackmore?

 

[they'll get you]

I guess this is just another scenario what could have happened to William. Beit a family member or someone unknown.


US flight attendant rescues victim of child trafficking

US Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials arrested 2,000 human traffickers and identified 400 victims of human trafficking in 2016.

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2017/...attendant-rescues-victim-of-child-trafficking

 

[bearbear]

i recently read one of caroline overingtons mystery novels, 'the one who got away', i noticed several similarities to alison baden clays murder in the story which got me wondering if past crimes shes reported on give her inspiration for her books and if she will ever write a story about a missing little foster child? although fiction, the public may then get some idea what lies and misinformation shes spoken of?
shes written 9 crime/mystery novels so far

 

[matey]

I have gone way back to where this all began.....IMO, BS is definitely involved because of all the upheavel to his Bonnyhills home, ex pawn shop and flat above at Laurieton (where items were taken away for testing).....I feel that the father (mask man) of the children who were being cared for by BS and MS has a connection with biofam and is involved with the abduction and being protected by BS and MS.....he used to help BS at the previous pawn businesses and has spent time behind bars.....maybe he was living in the flat above pawn shop where mattress and computers were taken away for testing.....he may have been driving BS's white van on occasions when people assumed it was BS.....there was a psychic's sketch of a man in the very early stages published in Daily Mail that looks very much like him...all MOO

 

[frogwell]

https://onlineregistry.lawlink.nsw....#/detail/20150011963915445997Mention/spedding
BS - 7 Feb for mention - Judge Huggett

Wonder what happened in today's hearing before Judge Blackmore?

Is this where he is going to apply for a stay in proceedings for the NSW charges? If so do you think it will be dealt with today? I'm impatient for this process to go ahead, it was reported last year during his Victorian case mention that he would be applying for a stay in NSW, so they have known that long, that is the way they are going to proceed. I'm surprised todays court appearance is described as a mention... I thought the mentions were over, he waived his right to a hearing of the evidence and a trial would commence unless he is granted a stay.....God the wheels of justice grind so slowly

 

[matey]

Is this where he is going to apply for a stay in proceedings for the NSW charges? If so do you think it will be dealt with today? I'm impatient for this process to go ahead, it was reported last year during his Victorian case mention that he would be applying for a stay in NSW, so they have known that long, that is the way they are going to proceed. I'm surprised todays court appearance is described as a mention... I thought the mentions were over, he waived his right to a hearing of the evidence and a trial would commence unless he is granted a stay.....God the wheels of justice grind so slowly

Time quoted in Soso's post is 2pm today.

 

[sosocurious]

Is this where he is going to apply for a stay in proceedings for the NSW charges? If so do you think it will be dealt with today? I'm impatient for this process to go ahead, it was reported last year during his Victorian case mention that he would be applying for a stay in NSW, so they have known that long, that is the way they are going to proceed. I'm surprised todays court appearance is described as a mention... I thought the mentions were over, he waived his right to a hearing of the evidence and a trial would commence unless he is granted a stay.....God the wheels of justice grind so slowly

I wish I knew how it worked frog.
Yes the mention confused me as well.

However the application for a stay on proceedings was put back to February next year.

Mr Spedding's trial, expected to run over three to four weeks, was also moved to Sydney's Downing Centre District Court.
His stay application is expected to be heard before his trial begins.
The case was adjourned to February 6 with the trial judge expected to hear the stay application.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-b...hild-sexual-assault-case-20160907-grako8.html

The hearing on the 6th and the mention on the 7th same case numbers, but different judges.


Please no suppression order.