Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #26

[Warshawski]

As a father of a 3 and 6 year old I have to disagree. The 6 year old "demands" certain help. And at a new setting I wouldn't expect any youngling to go solo.

i'm with you on that Richie, as per my previous suggestions.

Children are complex in their minute little beings! They can be very independent, particularly in familiar circumstances. At the same time they can be most competent in their 'insecurity', most especially when things are 'different'.

as someone who has accompanied many a child on their journey to the bathroom, I don't question this little girl's need.

My thoughts & prayers continue to be for this precious little boy, please spare him from pain, wrap him in love and kindness; also my thoughts & prayers are for those close to him, those who must be experiencing the most indescribable grief over his loss, a loss that is X 10000 X exacerbated by the fact that there are no reasons, no answers ... Please also give them some respite .. .. the Good must always prevail, and so it will ...

 

[Bohemian]

Welcome WWW&H. I'm sure we're all glad to have someone with 'fresh eyes' looking at the circumstances surrounding William's case. You've certainly made some interesting points wrt BS.

 

[Bohemian]

Isn't it interesting that in his YouTube video Spedding made a fraudulent slip up. He has denied that he was due to attend the Tyrrell house on the day William disappeared. Well Mr Spedding the house where William disappeared from was not the Tyrrell house was it! I would be interesting to know that during Williams time with his loving foster family if the surname Tyrrell was used or his foster parents name was used.

William was known by his foster family's surname, according to MSM:

However it’s understood these visits were infrequent and that William identified his foster family as his parents and was known to the public by their surname (which can’t be disclosed) and not "Tyrrell".'​

Source:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t/news-story/1f79e414e57cde0d1cfae86cab96115e

 

[Wexford]

Yes. And I imagine he bounced the script off his lawyer before he published the video.

or Col maybe??

 

[ozazure]

My son is the same age as William. He now looks nothing like he did 3 years ago, and can't remember those years. If William is alive and cared for by some confused individual (best scenario) then he could probably appear in public without being identified.

Just a brain dump. Continue.

This is so true ... some kids change more than others, I have one with rounded features that I think you could ID from young photos but the other has a skinny face now, much different from the round chubby face of late toddlerhood, plus darker hair.

 

[Karinna]

Online property sale reports indicate the benaroon address was sold 9 days prior to Williams disappearance. Does anyone know if the property was subject to home open inspections and the like affording perfect opportunity to scope out area. If foster gran had children's photos in prominent position they may have been recognised by someone with evil intent. There may have been 'innocent' discussion with foster gran or first names displayed on photos in house. I would be interested to know how Kim Loweke and biological gran became acquainted and when. Loweke has familial connection to convicted paedophile Jones.

Even though you raise some interesting points i would think LE in their investigation into BS's possible involvement in this case have done a thorough investigation of him to date. And as other posters have stated recently that police are covertly investigating others, i would think because BS is out on bail and due to go to Trial soon on the historical charges that police are looking elsewhere on this case.
My thinking is it could be someone BS has known or someone else related to him?

 

[Bohemian]

This is so true ... some kids change more than others, I have one with rounded features that I think you could ID from young photos but the other has a skinny face now, much different from the round chubby face of late toddlerhood, plus darker hair.

That's true of my kids too, ozazure, now that they're adults. They have a few familiar features that are recognisable (to me at least) from their childhood, notably the shape of their eyes, noses and mouths and, in the case of my son, his high, plump (and still softly 'pinchable') cheeks. A reason also for the successful application of facial recognition technology in counter-terrorism operations (although that's based on micro measurements).

William may become more difficult to easily recognise by the general public as he matures but someone who is intimately familiar with him would probably be able to. For some people, there also seems to be a strong but intangible connection to their loved ones (eg; I often 'feel' my children's and grandchildren's presence before I consciously recognise them).

Of course, there are also ways to disguise someone's easily recognisable characteristics such as colouring their hair or changing their usual hairstyle or, in extreme cases, cosmetic surgery.

Regardless, I hope that William was conscious enough of himself and those who loved him to remember at least something from the three years he spent as as a member of his biological and/or foster families. If William is still alive (I hate to even think of the possibility that he is dead), I hold out some slim hope that one day someone or something will trigger his memory of them and motivate him to investigate further. I'm pretty sure I've read of similar instances occurring (albeit rare) in other long-term missing children's cases.

 

[Bohemian]

Even though you raise some interesting points i would think LE in their investigation into BS's possible involvement in this case have done a thorough investigation of him to date. And as other posters have stated recently that police are covertly investigating others, i would think because BS is out on bail and due to go to Trial soon on the historical charges that police are looking elsewhere on this case.
My thinking is it could be someone BS has known or someone else related to him?

Not necessarily so to my mind, Karinna. Those circumstances don't preclude covert operations wrt BS — nor, in fact, do they include him. In all honesty, I don't think we can draw any conclusions about the possibility of any current covert surveillance of BS or anyone else from that particular statement by DCI Jubelin. It's simply a 'known unknown', ie; we know the task force is conducting 'covert surveiilance' wrt to suspects in William's case but just who those suspects are, we don't know.

As for your last paragraph, I agree. It's entirely possible. This is why I'm keeping an open mind pre-arrest wrt to the perpetrator no matter what is reported in MSM regarding the investigation into William's case. DCI Jubelin is my 'go-to guy' for information and he plays his cards close to his chest.

With regard to the separate historical child sexual assault charges, BS has been arrested. I may have my own opinion on his guilt or innocence, based only on what has been reported upon in MSM but I have to wait until such time as there is a verdict or a guilty plea to have that confirmed or not.

 

[Hbayne]

I watched the Claremont murders on crime investigation Australia today. Years after the murders the lead detective revealed some CCTV that they had had since day dot but only made it public some 6 years later. All detectives working on the case had to sign confidentiality papers and were not even allowed to discuss with other officers what they knew about suspects and details ect. Goes to show there is so much we just don't know ....

 

[butterstick]

I seen it was confirmed here yesterday that BS's van was taken by police for forensic testing i would imagine. If there was a spiderman toy in his van and police seized that as well i am sure it would of been dna tested as well. Same as the child's t-shirt they got from his residence out of some drain i think it was. We never heard more about that either.

There's probably a good reason we never heard anything more.

If there was ANY dna evidence of WT in the van, on the toy, at the house, or at the business.... then we'd have a clear SUSPECT.... but he remains a person of INTEREST.

 

[Karinna]

Not necessarily so to my mind, Karinna. Those circumstances don't preclude covert operations wrt BS — nor, in fact, do they include him. In all honesty, I don't think we can draw any conclusions about the possibility of any current covert surveillance of BS or anyone else from that particular statement by DCI Jubelin. It's simply a 'known unknown', ie; we know the task force is conducting 'covert surveiilance' wrt to suspects in William's case but just who those suspects are, we don't know.

As for your last paragraph, I agree. It's entirely possible. This is why I'm keeping an open mind pre-arrest wrt to the perpetrator no matter what is reported in MSM regarding the investigation into William's case. DCI Jubelin is my 'go-to guy' for information and he plays his cards close to his chest.

With regard to the separate historical child sexual assault charges, BS has been arrested. I may have my own opinion on his guilt or innocence, based only on what has been reported upon in MSM but I have to wait until such time as there is a verdict or a guilty plea to have that confirmed or not.

Yes we don't know much really as to what if any evidence they might have on BS in this case, but my line of thinking was with BS out on bail and having conditions for being out on bail, he would know he is in the gun with regard to WT, and if he did anything at all in that regard he would probably be aware LE are perhaps watching him. One false move and he's busted so to speak, so i think he would be treading very carefully.

 

[Karinna]

There's probably a good reason we never heard anything more.

If there was ANY dna evidence of WT in the van, on the toy, at the house, or at the business.... then we'd have a clear SUSPECT.... but he remains a person of INTEREST.

Yes i agree. I posted the other day if they had evidence on BS in William's disappearance, would they wait until after the Trial he has upcoming in the near future to arrest and charge him with that? I think probably not though. I think they could still bring new charges etc. on him if he is guilty of something on top of the historical ones.

 

[Bohemian]

Yes we don't know much really as to what if any evidence they might have on BS in this case, but my line of thinking was with BS out on bail and having conditions for being out on bail, he would know he is in the gun with regard to WT, and if he did anything at all in that regard he would probably be aware LE are perhaps watching him. One false move and he's busted so to speak, so i think he would be treading very carefully.

Yes but people often crack under pressure — particularly sustained psychological pressure, ie; the burden of guilt or the need to tell someone of their crime in order to relive it has bought many a perp undone.

 

[Puggle]

Hey Bo...

What info do you have on the Ballarat case...

If you know when he is supposed to appear.... can you give me a heads up.... I think I'd like to attend. ...

 

[Bohemian]

Hey Bo...

What info do you have on the Ballarat case...

If you know when he is supposed to appear.... can you give me a heads up.... I think I'd like to attend. ...

Ask soso.

 

[Karinna]

Yes but people often crack under pressure — particularly sustained psychological pressure, ie; the burden of guilt or the need to tell someone of their crime in order to relive it has bought many a perp undone.

That can happen but isn't a given IMO. Lots of criminals out there who never let on they have committed terrible crimes, and will forever plead their innocence, prisons are full of them.
In BS's case i would think he has been under a lot of pressure/stress especially from when he was arrested and charged and in jail until he was granted bail. Then his reporting to whatever PD he has to report to on his bail conditions, and now a forthcoming trial. That's a lot of stress for young person let alone someone in their 60's.
I guess he has by now got used to his new normal. And then what if he is in fact found innocent of any crimes? He wouldn't be the first person to stand wrongly accused, and think of the shame on his family and how his life has been wrecked.
If he is in fact acquitted i hope all those who went and wrote horrible things about him hang their heads in shame and apologize. And don't think you're ever immune from this kind of thing happening because people get set up all the time for wrongs they have never done just so LE can win their convictions.

 

[Bohemian]

That can happen but isn't a given IMO. Lots of criminals out there who never let on they have committed terrible crimes, and will forever plead their innocence, prisons are full of them.
In BS's case i would think he has been under a lot of pressure/stress especially from when he was arrested and charged and in jail until he was granted bail. Then his reporting to whatever PD he has to report to on his bail conditions, and now a forthcoming trial. That's a lot of stress for young person let alone someone in their 60's.
I guess he has by now got used to his new normal. And then what if he is in fact found innocent of any crimes? He wouldn't be the first person to stand wrongly accused, and think of the shame on his family and how his life has been wrecked.
If he is in fact acquitted i hope all those who went and wrote horrible things about him hang their heads in shame and apologize. And don't think you're ever immune from this kind of thing happening because people get set up all the time for wrongs they have never done just so LE can win their convictions.

I've already stated that I have an open mind wrt BS in this matter and that my concern is for no-one but William and, by extension, his siblings.

i am well aware that I'm not immune from being named as a POI in a matter that would damage my own and/or my family's reputation.

 

[WWW&H]

Hey Bo...

What info do you have on the Ballarat case...

If you know when he is supposed to appear.... can you give me a heads up.... I think I'd like to attend. ...[/QUOTE

Due to start Feb 2018 apparently

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/...-spedding-could-avoid-court-for-rest-of-year/

 

[Bohemian]

Due to start Feb 2018 apparently

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/...-spedding-could-avoid-court-for-rest-of-year/

Ah, that's right. Thank you WWW&H. Brain malfunction.

 

[Karinna]

I've already stated that I have an open mind wrt BS in this matter and that my concern is for no-one but William and, by extension, his siblings.

i am well aware that I'm not immune from being named as a POI in a matter that would damage my own and/or my family's reputation.

I agree finding a missing child should always be top priority over anything else.
I was referring to things stated elsewhere about BS, and some of the dreadful things people have said without anything to back that up. I have stated that no one knows about what he has or hasn't done, but everyone should be afforded due process in a court of law to prove their case or not because that's why we have a judicial system and not lynch mobs.
I also keep an open mind because no one knows for sure what has caused a little boy to go missing and to date sadly not been found.