Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #26

[Jennifer17]

Can anyone say anything about TJ now, in relation to this case? I didn't quite get whether he was discounted or not?Here's an old article about him & PB
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...t/news-story/6610a00c1351596a4da67013a34ec23a

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cheers!

Can't see that without a subscription.

 

[iailwa]

Can't see that without a subscription.

Oh sorry. Basically it says this POI - TJ ... his alibi involves searching for scrap metal in the bush, and he returned home drunk that day, according to family. Also that he told his family he was going to see PB that day. They both deny being friends, but that doesn't appear to be the case. They are both convicted peadophiles btw.

 

[sosocurious]

It is quite sad that the court case even happened. It has opened the door to all kinds of conversation about the circumstances of William (and his sister's) removal, why it happened, what will happen next, etc etc. (Talking primarily about on SM.)

It has replaced the public focus of finding William. Not sure how it has helped that at all. :thinking:
Any petition to call for a Coroners Inquiry did not need the foster care detail. And won't change the proceedings anyway. imo

It has become a focus on FACS.

Could this be the motivation, as you were questioning before?

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A spokesman for the NSW Ombudsman said: “I can confirm the mother has made contact with our office. Our office had already started to make inquiries regarding the matter prior to
this contact.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n/news-story/dc162954d67a5c014031cb4e59bfc735

Wonder what the outcome of this was?

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, the FPs. We have no indication of who they are or if they were related.

Sorry Jen but I don't get your point. Why do you think a familial relationship between the FF and the BF would matter?

 

[Bohemian]

Sorry for being dim, Bo, but what are you referring to here?

What SA said, far more eloquently than me, below.

It is quite sad that the court case even happened. It has opened the door to all kinds of conversation about the circumstances of William (and his sister's) removal, why it happened, what will happen next, etc etc. (Talking primarily about on SM.)

It has replaced the public focus of finding William. Not sure how it has helped that at all. :thinking:
Any petition to call for a Coroners Inquiry did not need the foster care detail. And won't change the proceedings anyway. imo

It has become a focus on FACS.

Could this be the motivation, as you were questioning before?

That's just about the gist of it SA but where that's coming from I don't know. I just have the gut feeling that 'things are not always what they seem; the first appearance deceives many; [...]'. I think I'm having the equivalent of a 'hinky feeling' to use WSspeak.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Oh I see now - sorry, having a bad day. Totally agree with you and SA.

What SA said, far more eloquently than me, below.



That's just about the gist of it SA but where that's coming from I don't know. I just have the gut feeling that 'things are not always what they seem; the first appearance deceives many; [...]'. I think I'm having the equivalent of a 'hunky feeling' in WSspeak.

 

[Bohemian]

Oh I see now - sorry, having a bad day. Totally agree with you and SA.

BTW, I'm pleased you have a hunk but I'll bet your hinky metre is going off too! (Trying to find emoji of running behind couch for cover but can't get it to work !)

Kind of. William's case sometimes makes me blow a fuse. No hunk now (I edited it) but yes, my 'hinky meter' is beeping madly. Not sure why yet. Like the wheels of justice, the cogs in my brain sometimes grind slowly.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I know police have to be thorough, but I really was hoping for something more in this case by now. That poor little boy. He didn't deserve it and yes I think a lot of us have blown fuses. Those who know what happened and are concealing the perpetrators are the scum of the earth.

Kind of. William's case sometimes makes me blow a fuse. No hunk now (I edited it) but, Yes, my 'hinky meter' is in the red zone. Not sure why yet. Like the wheels of justice, the cogs in my brain sometimes grind slowly.

 

[iailwa]

In relation to other POIs - this article might work, very similar article to which i posted earlier but you needed a subscription for - if anyone is interested. There's something very weird about TJ

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t/news-story/a41002be975f8c25811381d3eac78b75

 

[Puggle]

In relation to other POIs - this article might work, very similar article to which i posted earlier but you needed a subscription for - if anyone is interested. There's something very weird about TJ

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t/news-story/a41002be975f8c25811381d3eac78b75

Weird is not a word I personally associate to "it" ....

Vile piece of excrement..... is my favoured label for "it" ...

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/wife-horr...am-tyrrell-disappearance-20151002-gk03hc.html

 

[Puggle]

Can anyone say anything about TJ now, in relation to this case? I didn't quite get whether he was discounted or not?Here's an old article about him & PB
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...t/news-story/6610a00c1351596a4da67013a34ec23a

cheers!

Yes its ok to discuss "it" .... He was mentioned in msm as being looked at in relation to Williams case ..... "it" has been discussed at length in the past.

The excrement has been my main POI from very early on.

 

[Puggle]

Kind of. William's case sometimes makes me blow a fuse. No hunk now (I edited it) but yes, my 'hinky meter' is beeping madly. Not sure why yet. Like the wheels of justice, the cogs in my brain sometimes grind slowly.

Williams case is very emotional. ..... it's easy to let it get to us.

I personally have a problem with the "revelation" that he was a foster child taking away focus from him being missing.

But it's out now ..... how it will help find William ... IMO it won't make an ounce of difference.

 

[Bohemian]

A spokesman for the NSW Ombudsman said: “I can confirm the mother has made contact with our office. Our office had already started to make inquiries regarding the matter prior to
this contact.”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...n/news-story/dc162954d67a5c014031cb4e59bfc735

Wonder what the outcome of this was?

I couldn't find anything specific to this particular complaint online but I did find the following general information on complaint handling on the Ombudsman's website:

https://www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/what-we...aints-about-Community-and-disability-services

After reading, it seems like this may be a lengthy process.

 

[Bohemian]

Can anyone say anything about TJ now, in relation to this case? I didn't quite get whether he was discounted or not?Here's an old article about him & PB
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...t/news-story/6610a00c1351596a4da67013a34ec23a

cheers!

He has been discussed at length throughout William's case. I seem to remember last I heard of him was that he was appearing in court on multiple sexual assault charges. I don't know what the outcome of those proceedings were, or if they are still being heard. Maybe soso knows as she usually posts relevant court lists.

 

[Bohemian]

I know police have to be thorough, but I really was hoping for something more in this case by now. That poor little boy. He didn't deserve it and yes I think a lot of us have blown fuses. Those who know what happened and are concealing the perpetrators are the scum of the earth.

Williams case is very emotional. ..... it's easy to let it get to us.

I personally have a problem with the "revelation" that he was a foster child taking away focus from him being missing.

But it's out now ..... how it will help find William ... IMO it won't make an ounce of difference.

Yes, we've all been hoping for a resolution to William's case for such a long time. The person, or people, that are responsible for his disappearance are diabolical. Surely they must be aware of the trauma William's disappearance has caused his sister (and, possibly, other siblings). How adults can be so uncaring (and, in some cases, downright cruel) to children, whatever their motivation or agenda, is beyond me. I've never understood that and I never will (and thank God for that). Truly, they must have little, if any, conscience at all. It must be quite painful at times for them to live inside their heads, but even more painful (and, sometimes, fatal) for those unlucky children who come into contact with them. In the words of Elton John, 'It's a sad, sad situation.'

 

[ozazure]

It probably won't help find William but sometimes adjacent issues have to be addressed when something as horrible as this happens.

I think we should think deeply about the issues of stigma and not just go for the bandaid solution. Convicted offenders get to maintain anonymity depending on who they abuse. Think about the ramifications of that. I have always wondered, if it was Bill Spedding who abducted William, if William's foster status did contribute to his decision to do that. Not because of the legal ramifications (because he had no intention of being caught) but because in his experience, foster children are not truly valued by either their biological nor foster parents, and perhaps to him, in his worldview, William was seen as disposable.

No one likes to say it but not all children are cherished, protected and wanted. Sometimes when people lose their children to foster care they do not put up much of a fight. People have personality disorders, addictions, dysfunction. Sometimes it suits them better to make themselves out as victims, than do the actual hard work of getting themselves on track and parenting well.

And there is also a contingent of people prepared to foster because they don't assume all the burdens of good parenting or they see it as a way to have their own needs met, dark needs, not the normal every day need many people experience to nurture and love a child.

In amongst this are people who perhaps had children at the wrong time and do have it in them to do what's required in a better circumstance, and others who recognise their own limitations and support their children finding a stable family, and people who see fostering as an amazing privilege to expand their family. It would be a much better world if this was the case across the board. As it appears, KT seems to be doing well now as a parent and William's foster family seemed to be a good one. Hopefully the foster situation had nothing to do with what happened to William.

If nothing else, this decision has shown that how we go about these issues is up for debate. There is no doubt we need to do better by our children.

 

[sosocurious]

I couldn't find anything specific to this particular complaint online but I did find the following general information on complaint handling on the Ombudsman's website:

https://www.ombo.nsw.gov.au/what-we...aints-about-Community-and-disability-services

After reading, it seems like this may be a lengthy process.

Thanks Bo
A lengthy process indeed......and the ombudsman had started making inquiries prior to the mothers contact......

Inquiries as to why BS had obtained the guardianship of three young children?

A guardian has full care and responsibility for your child including making decisions about their health, education and managing contact with their family and significant people in their life.
A guardian ensures your child’s emotional, social, cultural and spiritual needs are met until they become an adult as outlined in their care or case plan................

If a guardianship order is made, case management support will no longer be provided to the guardian, your child, you and your family. Supervision of contact will not be provided by the Department of Family and Community Services (FACS).

How does someone become a guardian? All prospective guardians must undertake a detailed assessment and review process, which includes seeking the views of the child or young person,
their parents and family and their carer or carers. A child or young person who is 12 years of age or older must give written consent to a guardianship order being made, where they are capable to do so.
The assessment will determine whether guardianship is in your child’s best interests and if the prospective guardian is able to meet your child’s long term needs without ongoing casework support from FACS or other out-of home care agencies.

http://www.facs.nsw.gov.au/__data/a...ardianship_Orders_Information_for_Parents.pdf

The legislative framework in care and protection in NSW is shifting from a focus on ‘care and protection’ per se to ‘preservation and restoration’ and now places a greater emphasis on permanency placement
principles.
Under the current legislative regime in NSW, the Children’s Court is asked to prefer placing children with their parents first and if that is not possible, then with a guardian. Both scenarios confer all aspects of parental responsibility. Under these types of care orders, children’s legal status ‘more closely resemble that of children in the realm of “private” family law type arrangements.

http://www.legalaid.nsw.gov.au/__da...ly-Law-and-Child-Protection-Jurisdictions.pdf

The NSW Ombudsman is investigating how the children came to be living with Bill Spedding, despite authorities knowing he allegedly committed child abuse as far back as 1987..............
The mother whose three children were living with Mr Spedding at the time William disappeared in Kendall last September, said she had raised the allegations surrounding the alleged 1987 abuse involving Mr Spedding during a meeting with state authorities roughly 2½ years ago. She has now complained to the NSW Ombudsman, and the authority will investigate how her children came to be living with the tradesman.
http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...g/news-story/2a8a51819720492213582b8d70dc61da

Until four years ago Spedding, an electrician, and Margaret had lived in western NSW at Coonabarabran and Wellington. Four years ago they moved back to the mid-north coast, where Margaret was raised. They initially bought a unit, but sold that when they took on the guardianship of Margaret’s three grandchildren, and moved into larger rented premises to accommodate the boys, who came across from Wellington...............
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rs-disappearance/story-e6frg6z6-1227195227854

Exactly how long did BS have the care of these boys. I initially thought it was 4 years, maybe not.
Now I am wondering if it were less time.

I assume, well hope - the ombudsman might be looking into this as well!
The two friends, who were both members of grandparent social group Grandparents as Parents Again operating around Port Macquarie,.........PB and AJ.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...t/news-story/a41002be975f8c25811381d3eac78b75


imo

 

[Wexford]

It probably won't help find William but sometimes adjacent issues have to be addressed when something as horrible as this happens.

I think we should think deeply about the issues of stigma and not just go for the bandaid solution. Convicted offenders get to maintain anonymity depending on who they abuse. Think about the ramifications of that. I have always wondered, if it was Bill Spedding who abducted William, if William's foster status did contribute to his decision to do that. Not because of the legal ramifications (because he had no intention of being caught) but because in his experience, foster children are not truly valued by either their biological nor foster parents, and perhaps to him, in his worldview, William was seen as disposable.

No one likes to say it but not all children are cherished, protected and wanted. Sometimes when people lose their children to foster care they do not put up much of a fight. People have personality disorders, addictions, dysfunction. Sometimes it suits them better to make themselves out as victims, than do the actual hard work of getting themselves on track and parenting well.

And there is also a contingent of people prepared to foster because they don't assume all the burdens of good parenting or they see it as a way to have their own needs met, dark needs, not the normal every day need many people experience to nurture and love a child.

In amongst this are people who perhaps had children at the wrong time and do have it in them to do what's required in a better circumstance, and others who recognise their own limitations and support their children finding a stable family, and people who see fostering as an amazing privilege to expand their family. It would be a much better world if this was the case across the board. As it appears, KT seems to be doing well now as a parent and William's foster family seemed to be a good one. Hopefully the foster situation had nothing to do with what happened to William.

If nothing else, this decision has shown that how we go about these issues is up for debate. There is no doubt we need to do better by our children.

I could not agree more with this post. Very well said.

 

[Bohemian]

It probably won't help find William but sometimes adjacent issues have to be addressed when something as horrible as this happens.

I think we should think deeply about the issues of stigma and not just go for the bandaid solution. Convicted offenders get to maintain anonymity depending on who they abuse. Think about the ramifications of that. I have always wondered, if it was Bill Spedding who abducted William, if William's foster status did contribute to his decision to do that. Not because of the legal ramifications (because he had no intention of being caught) but because in his experience, foster children are not truly valued by either their biological nor foster parents, and perhaps to him, in his worldview, William was seen as disposable.

No one likes to say it but not all children are cherished, protected and wanted. Sometimes when people lose their children to foster care they do not put up much of a fight. People have personality disorders, addictions, dysfunction. Sometimes it suits them better to make themselves out as victims, than do the actual hard work of getting themselves on track and parenting well.

And there is also a contingent of people prepared to foster because they don't assume all the burdens of good parenting or they see it as a way to have their own needs met, dark needs, not the normal every day need many people experience to nurture and love a child.

In amongst this are people who perhaps had children at the wrong time and do have it in them to do what's required in a better circumstance, and others who recognise their own limitations and support their children finding a stable family, and people who see fostering as an amazing privilege to expand their family. It would be a much better world if this was the case across the board. As it appears, KT seems to be doing well now as a parent and William's foster family seemed to be a good one. Hopefully the foster situation had nothing to do with what happened to William.

If nothing else, this decision has shown that how we go about these issues is up for debate. There is no doubt we need to do better by our children.

So beautifully written. You really 'get it'.

 

[Karinna]

WT being missing has everything to do with being in foster care, because he went missing while being in state care.
I have never seen a picture of William's bio mother before, but from an msm article recently i have seen pictures of her and she looks so very young. Was she a teen at the time she had WT and his sister? She made bad choices with the guy she had her kids to because the bio dad has been a career criminal in & out of jail.
WT & his sister were not physically abused from what i have read, but there were problems in the household. Kids having kids and doing stupid things? It sure as heck happens.
Did KT agree at a very young age with a life of instability for her children that it was a good idea at the time to give them up to someone else's care until they were 18 and as she got a bit older decide she wanted her kids back?
There is IMO a lot more to this story and how this situation came to be. All we can do is speculate about it though.