Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #26

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  • #861
Yes its ok to discuss "it" .... He was mentioned in msm as being looked at in relation to Williams case ..... "it" has been discussed at length in the past.

The excrement has been my main POI from very early on.

Yes i agree - total excrement... piece of sh#t for sure! well said. all paedos are exactly as u say! I wish there was more info put out by police - i know they have strategies etc wrt to timing, but h#ll, it's almost 3 years. Just a clue would be good. It might help bring someone forward... there's no word even wrt to "who" is the main POI currently. Obviously it was BS for a while. There's nothing about the CCTV footage from the tennis club. No identikit for unidentified individuals. No hint of suspect vehicles. Nothing whatsoever. How can the public help if there is so little information? It could well be the excrement TJ as you say... What are the police waiting for? I just don't get it :(
 
  • #862
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And there is also a contingent of people prepared to foster because they don't assume all the burdens of good parenting or they see it as a way to have their own needs met, dark needs, not the normal every day need many people experience to nurture and love a child. .

well said everything you point out. the above paragraph horrifies me, but yes it is so true. Sometimes it's $, sometimes it's sinister, & sometimes both :( Then again there are those who try to do their best. It certainly sounds like william's foster parents are well off so they didn't need money (probably) - & hopefully nothing sinister there. It's encouraging they were ruled out as POI's and william's foster dad's alibi checked out. Getting off topic! But yes, it so scary to think little humans are sometimes put into (or born into) - situations that are deplorable. I think it's well & truly f&$ked paedophiles are protected in our communities - given they can be anyone and given it's a disease that never discriminates across social & economic boundaries. These bastards are everywhere and we aren't even allowed to know where the 'known' ones live... & then there are those that have never been are caught... sorry for the rant, i feel so sick just thinking about it!!!!!
 
  • #863
Sometimes I don't have a thank you button... but thank you even if I don't click to everyone who is writing here, except the culprit, if he/she is here &#128545;
 
  • #864
It probably won't help find William but sometimes adjacent issues have to be addressed when something as horrible as this happens.

I think we should think deeply about the issues of stigma and not just go for the bandaid solution. Convicted offenders get to maintain anonymity depending on who they abuse. Think about the ramifications of that. I have always wondered, if it was Bill Spedding who abducted William, if William's foster status did contribute to his decision to do that. Not because of the legal ramifications (because he had no intention of being caught) but because in his experience, foster children are not truly valued by either their biological nor foster parents, and perhaps to him, in his worldview, William was seen as disposable.

No one likes to say it but not all children are cherished, protected and wanted. Sometimes when people lose their children to foster care they do not put up much of a fight. People have personality disorders, addictions, dysfunction. Sometimes it suits them better to make themselves out as victims, than do the actual hard work of getting themselves on track and parenting well.

And there is also a contingent of people prepared to foster because they don't assume all the burdens of good parenting or they see it as a way to have their own needs met, dark needs, not the normal every day need many people experience to nurture and love a child.

In amongst this are people who perhaps had children at the wrong time and do have it in them to do what's required in a better circumstance, and others who recognise their own limitations and support their children finding a stable family, and people who see fostering as an amazing privilege to expand their family. It would be a much better world if this was the case across the board. As it appears, KT seems to be doing well now as a parent and William's foster family seemed to be a good one. Hopefully the foster situation had nothing to do with what happened to William.

If nothing else, this decision has shown that how we go about these issues is up for debate. There is no doubt we need to do better by our children.

Great post ozazure! Tiahleigh Palmer is a tragic casualty of this kind of fostering.
 
  • #865
Great post ozazure! Tiahleigh Palmer is a tragic casualty of this kind of fostering.

She sure is! So the foster brother sexually abuses her, then dad covers up. Did the foster brother get abused? Is the abuser often the abusee? Such a complex question... The likely answer is - not always....?? IDK. What makes people do these kind of things? Her foster brother was more than 5 years her senior - that is classed as paedophilia in the psychiatric DSM-5 manual, not a manual for true fact, but in forensic psychiatry, that's all they have to to rely on... he's a f&*king As87ole no matter what!
 
  • #866
She sure is! So the foster brother sexually abuses her, then dad covers up. Did the foster brother get abused? Is the abuser often the abusee? Such a complex question... The likely answer is - not always....?? IDK. What makes people do these kind of things? Her foster brother was more than 5 years her senior - that is classed as paedophilia in the psychiatric DSM-5 manual, not a manual for true fact, but in forensic psychiatry, that's all they have to to rely on... he's a f&*king As87ole no matter what!

Here's the DSM5 diagnostic criteria for those interested:

Pedophilic Disorder
Diagnostic Criteria 302.2 (F65.4)
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger).
B. The individual has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
C. The individual is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.
Specify whether:
Exclusive type (attracted only to children)
Nonexclusive type
Specify if:
Sexually attracted to males
Sexually attracted to females
Sexually attracted to both
Specify if:
Limited to incest

Edit: I have a PDF of DSM-5, not sure where it came from now. I've been trying to find a link to attach here without success.
 
  • #867
WT being missing has everything to do with being in foster care, because he went missing while being in state care.
I have never seen a picture of William's bio mother before, but from an msm article recently i have seen pictures of her and she looks so very young. Was she a teen at the time she had WT and his sister? She made bad choices with the guy she had her kids to because the bio dad has been a career criminal in & out of jail.
WT & his sister were not physically abused from what i have read, but there were problems in the household. Kids having kids and doing stupid things? It sure as heck happens.
Did KT agree at a very young age with a life of instability for her children that it was a good idea at the time to give them up to someone else's care until they were 18 and as she got a bit older decide she wanted her kids back?
There is IMO a lot more to this story and how this situation came to be. All we can do is speculate about it though.

It's none of our business why William and his sibling were in care or for how long, extremely poor of anyone to disclose the situation while his sibling is still there, in my opinion. The lengths some people have gone to, to put this family in the public eye, is very disturbing.
 
  • #868
Makes you wonder if Ms Smith has a hidden agenda.

It was public knowledge anyway, so why go thought this whole process?

It's none of our business why William and his sibling were in care or for how long, extremely poor of anyone to disclose the situation while his sibling is still there, in my opinion. The lengths some people have gone to, to put this family in the public eye, is very disturbing.
 
  • #869
It's none of our business why William and his sibling were in care or for how long, extremely poor of anyone to disclose the situation while his sibling is still there, in my opinion. The lengths some people have gone to, to put this family in the public eye, is very disturbing.

No it isn't, but it's out there now in msm, and i just find the whole case disturbing to say the least. That it's okay to out the bios, but not the FP's. Double standards much.
Then again Tialeigh Palmer's mother was in the line of fire too because her daughter was in foster care, so i guess when a child comes up missing or murdered while in state care it is a big deal, and people want to know in these dreadful situations when things go so wrong how such a thing can happen and the authorities ask for the publics help to locate a child.
 
  • #870
Yes i agree - total excrement... piece of sh#t for sure! well said. all paedos are exactly as u say! I wish there was more info put out by police - i know they have strategies etc wrt to timing, but h#ll, it's almost 3 years. Just a clue would be good. It might help bring someone forward... there's no word even wrt to "who" is the main POI currently. Obviously it was BS for a while. There's nothing about the CCTV footage from the tennis club. No identikit for unidentified individuals. No hint of suspect vehicles. Nothing whatsoever. How can the public help if there is so little information? It could well be the excrement TJ as you say... What are the police waiting for? I just don't get it :(

BBM, The police can't do much until they have the evidence to arrest & charge the perpetrator/s. It is still an ongoing investigation i would imagine because to date William has not yet been located. Sometimes some of these cases can be a while to come to any kind of completion, and that is a tragedy for the victims and their families. And then some sadly are never solved and go to cold case status.
 
  • #871
William's sister is still with the FP's as far as we know. She deserves to be protected, loved and nurtured. It's not double standards when the Bio Family (Natalie Collins) decides to break out into the media. The FP have not done that, possible because by law they're not able to.

No it isn't, but it's out there now in msm, and i just find the whole case disturbing to say the least. That it's okay to out the bios, but not the FP's. Double standards much.
Then again Tialeigh Palmer's mother was in the line of fire too because her daughter was in foster care, so i guess when a child comes up missing or murdered while in state care it is a big deal, and people want to know in these dreadful situations when things go so wrong how such a thing can happen and the authorities ask for the publics help to locate a child.
 
  • #872
Makes you wonder if Ms Smith has a hidden agenda.

It was public knowledge anyway, so why go thought this whole process?
I think it's worth pushing back at government agencies that try to control what's said about them on the basis of legislation that doesn't even look applicable. The notices citing section 105 presented to journalists and others were sheer bullying.

Child protection agencies appear to underfunded in all states, with terrible consequences. One hopes that the exposure of their failures will result in public pressure for better funding for their services.

This may have nothing to do with William, though until the mystery is solved it's difficult to say that anything is definitely irrelevant. However, I don't accept that the public's or Websleuthers' "distraction" at this stage can in any way harm the investigation. The released information has been thoroughly processed. We're not missing anything by looking away for a couple of weeks.
 
  • #873
Sometimes I don't have a thank you button... but thank you even if I don't click to everyone who is writing here, except the culprit, if he/she is here &#55357;&#56865;

I would certainly hope the culprit/s is not here, yikes! I just see mostly the same posters that have followed the case from the get go, plus a few newbies. I always check to see any new developments in WT's case, and even though i don't always comment still pray he will be found one day.
So btw Welcome to all new posters that are here.
 
  • #874
William's sister is still with the FP's as far as we know. She deserves to be protected, loved and nurtured. It's not double standards when the Bio Family (Natalie Collins) decides to break out into the media. The FP have not done that, possible because by law they're not able to.

I think the bio family have a story to tell as well though, and it appeared that initially they had been gagged. The FP's did the 60 minutes show , only their faces were blacked out, so they have spoken publicly.
 
  • #875
I think it's worth pushing back at government agencies that try to control what's said about them on the basis of legislation that doesn't even look applicable. The notices citing section 105 presented to journalists and others were sheer bullying.

Child protection agencies appear to underfunded in all states, with terrible consequences. One hopes that the exposure of their failures will result in public pressure for better funding for their services.

This may have nothing to do with William, though until the mystery is solved it's difficult to say that anything is definitely irrelevant. However, I don't accept that the public's or Websleuthers' "distraction" at this stage can in any way harm the investigation. The released information has been thoroughly processed. We're not missing anything by looking away for a couple of weeks.

I don't think anyone in any state can argue against the underfunding - it's disgraceful to say the least. However, I do need to say at this stage that I do FIRMLY believe that William was very lucky to be placed in a loving family who genuinely cared for him and his welfare. IMO.

I don't recall apportioning blame to WSers. In fact, I think WSers do a great job. We have many very talented people on here (this poster excluded).
 
  • #876
I don't think anyone in any state can argue against the underfunding - it's disgraceful to say the least. However, I do need to say at this stage that I do FIRMLY believe that William was very lucky to be placed in a loving family who genuinely cared for him and his welfare. IMO.

I don't recall apportioning blame to WSers. In fact, I think WSers do a great job. We have many very talented people on here (this poster excluded).


BBM. William had no luck in his life.He may have been place with people who cared for him, but he is still missing, presumed dead. What is lucky about that?
 
  • #877
I think you've twisted what I said and placed it in an entirely different context. William was very lucky to be placed with his FF, as opposed to being placed with a foster family who is unloving, un-nurturing and uncaring, such as Tialeigh was. IMO

BBM. William had no luck in his life.He may have been place with people who cared for him, but he is still missing, presumed dead. What is lucky about that?
 
  • #878
I don't think anyone in any state can argue against the underfunding - it's disgraceful to say the least. However, I do need to say at this stage that I do FIRMLY believe that William was very lucky to be placed in a loving family who genuinely cared for him and his welfare. IMO.

I don't recall apportioning blame to WSers. In fact, I think WSers do a great job. We have many very talented people on here (this poster excluded).

On your second paragraph--I was more referring to Jubelin's argument in the case before Brereton J which I thought had found some support here generally, not necessarily from you.

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9
paragraph 53.
 
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  • #880
Looks like I'm the baddy here today for some reason. I give up.

Nothing bad about what you said, William and his sibling were blessed with their placement, the only blame is on the abductor.
 
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