Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

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Wexford said:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2005-07-04/grave-and-brutal-paedophile-jailed-for-30-years/2050676
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What I meant was, GJ is broadly known for his work in Task force tuno. GH is a brutal repeat offender who it seems of all the recorded convictions of his I have seen, to work alone and then confess straight after. Not much police work needed for that. IMO

Mind you, just looking at the series Badness yet again, and looked into a particular hitman character, who I seem to have read about before. Grew up in the same suburb and went to the same school, though about 6-7 years after another party in this investigation who has been cleared. Lots of interesting coincidences throughout this case.
 
frogwell said:
What I meant was, GJ is broadly known for his work in Task force tuno. GH is a brutal repeat offender who it seems of all the recorded convictions of his I have seen, to work alone and then confess straight after. Not much police work needed for that. IMO

Mind you, just looking at the series Badness yet again, and looked into a particular hitman character, who I seem to have read about before. Grew up in the same suburb and went to the same school, though about 6-7 years after another party in this investigation who has been cleared. Lots of interesting coincidences throughout this case.
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[BBM.]

‘Decker/Witness E’? Interesting character. God rest his soul. The ‘interesting coincidences’ almost make me want me to break out a roll of tinfoil and fashion a new hat.

I’ve always been mildly curious about the reasons behind the inclusion of members from other squads:

‘The Strike Force, led by the State Crime Command’s Homicide Squad, has been boosted by a secondary contingent - Strike Force Rosann 2 - drawing in recruitments from the Armed Hold up Squad, Sex Crimes and Fraud Squad and officers from local area commands across the state.’

http://www.camdencourier.com.au/sto...le-for-william-on-his-sixth-birthday/?cs=2452​

Might simply be because they, along with Homicide, are all SCD squads:

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/about_us/organisational_structure/units/state_crime_command
 
CaptainPeacock said:
So my theory is that WT's family was followed from Sydney, he was purposely targeted for abduction and the perp had local connections.
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Hi CP and welcome...It's great to have a fresh set of eyes bringing new life into Wiiliam's case and being a local is an added bonus.

I totally agree with you that William's foster family was followed from Sydney and that it was a purposely targeted abduction. I have felt this right from the beginning.

Also, I have strong feelings that it was someone known to William who had been watching the family in Sydney (possibly received a tip-off from someone who knew about the upcoming Kendall trip). The original plan was to leave on the Friday morning to drive to Kendall. However, they changed their plan... Why?

I firmly believe that the foster family had some knowledge that William was being watched and that's why they decided to change their plan and leave on the Thursday (to throw whoever was watching offguard).

The manner in which foster mum said in the 60 Minutes interview "It's as though an abductor just reached out and grabbed William and took him"...as if she knew what could have actually happened.

Also, when the foster parents were interviewed, it seemed as though foster mum was deliberately speaking to the specific person who had William.

Also, do you feel that there's any connection to those 2 parked cars in Benaroon Drive with the windows down that foster mum saw?
 
Captain Peacock, hello. I'm curious - so you couldn't get through the end of william's street with your on-road vehicle, true? I think that is what you said. my memory can be bad! :)

In West Oz, immediately after WT went missing, it was reported that a bronze 4wd drove into the forest from william's street. other later sources say a white(?) 4wd was seen 'leaving the street" at 10.30am-ish.

It's kinda the only way to get into the forest from WTs - & such a short route. 30-50 metres. Unless you go around to albert st.

Perhaps, as you say, if someone followed the night before, they would likely check out the street scenery (esp if their intention was to take him sometime later).

I'm still on the fence about local/outta-towner/planned/accident... tho... no idea. the cars are curious tho, yes? I'm not convinced anything but a AWD or a 4WD could leave william's street into the forest...
 
Hi Tiddles, Yes - the FM's gut feeling is interesting.
As for the cars, I think they're irrelevant. Why didn't they release that info right away? How useful could it be after such a long delay? LE seem to have dealt with them very strangely IMO. TJ's car turned out to be another false lead. BS's cars all came back cleared. It's as if the FM's impression that he'd been abducted was bolstered by the presence of the cars, yet the matter was supposedly being treated as a 'lost in the bush' scenario for the first 9 days. Curious.
 
Hi Iailwa,
It would need to be a 4WD or AWD to make a clean getaway, IMO. You wouldn't risk being seen emerging on the other side in an on-road car. It would look strange.
An out of towner could have scoped out the trails, or received help from a local to do so - which is a plausible scenario. I think it would be more efficient to have an abductor and a driver - so I'd be looking at the involvement of two people, perhaps one being local or at least familiar with the area. Newcastle and Sydney folks tend to use the Port Macquarie area as a preferred holiday and short break destination as it is only 3-5 hours drive up the coast. Our family (originally from Sydney) were based in Newcastle for decades and we holidayed up here every year. It's close, cheap and beachy. There wouldn't be many families in Newcastle or Sydney who haven't visited this area before.
 
frogwell said:
What I meant was, GJ is broadly known for his work in Task force tuno. GH is a brutal repeat offender who it seems of all the recorded convictions of his I have seen, to work alone and then confess straight after. Not much police work needed for that. IMO

Mind you, just looking at the series Badness yet again, and looked into a particular hitman character, who I seem to have read about before. Grew up in the same suburb and went to the same school, though about 6-7 years after another party in this investigation who has been cleared. Lots of interesting coincidences throughout this case.
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agree, some of those names keep cropping up don't they?
 
Folks, this thread is dedicated to discussion of William's case. All the posting about Tyler is causing confusion as to what relates to William's case vs Tyler's case.

If there is a thread for Tyler, could someone please link it so discussion of that case can take place in its own dedicated thread.

:tyou:
 
At the recent press conference, GJ was asked about the car taken for forensic testing, to which he replied it's been eliminated.
If the car connected to TJ has been eliminated and pedo ring all but ruled out.....
Does it mean that car belonging to his partner is not the car which was parked on Benaroon Drive the morning of 12th Sep '14? and they are still looking into both those cars?
or
Does it mean the old white station wagon parked on Benaroon Drive has been eliminated?
GJ is still saying the cars are a line of enquiry they are following. I'd like to know which cars they are still looking for or which cars they have found and are investigating probably in a covert operation.
 
sillybilly said:
Folks, this thread is dedicated to discussion of William's case. All the posting about Tyler is causing confusion as to what relates to William's case vs Tyler's case.

If there is a thread for Tyler, could someone please link it so discussion of that case can take place in its own dedicated thread.

:tyou:
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Unfortunately there isn’t, SB. The discussion regarding Tyler began because we were trying to ascertain if there were any similarities between his disappearance and that of William’s less than 18 months later. Tyler, who was of a similar age to William, disappeared from John’s River, approximately 15 kms from Kendall, where William was abducted.
 
CaptainPeacock said:
Hi Tiddles, Yes - the FM's gut feeling is interesting.
As for the cars, I think they're irrelevant. Why didn't they release that info right away? How useful could it be after such a long delay? LE seem to have dealt with them very strangely IMO. TJ's car turned out to be another false lead. BS's cars all came back cleared. It's as if the FM's impression that he'd been abducted was bolstered by the presence of the cars, yet the matter was supposedly being treated as a 'lost in the bush' scenario for the first 9 days. Curious.
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Josie2014 said:
At the recent press conference, GJ was asked about the car taken for forensic testing, to which he replied it's been eliminated.
If the car connected to TJ has been eliminated and pedo ring all but ruled out.....
Does it mean that car belonging to his partner is not the car which was parked on Benaroon Drive the morning of 12th Sep '14? and they are still looking into both those cars?
or
Does it mean the old white station wagon parked on Benaroon Drive has been eliminated?
GJ is still saying the cars are a line of enquiry they are following. I'd like to know which cars they are still looking for or which cars they have found and are investigating probably in a covert operation.
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BBM.

Regarding all of the cars in Benaroon Drive and the timing of the release of information:

William Tyrrell detectives hunt for drivers 12 months after disappearance
The Sydney Morning Herald
Ava Benny-Morrison
Sep 7, 2015

‘For a "long time" police have known about these cars but have now, almost 12 months after William disappeared, released the information to the public.

"There is a strategy behind when we release information," Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin said.

"Appeals to the public is only one method in the way we get information."’

‘"The people driving these cars have not come forward to police," Detective Inspector Jubelin said.

"But it's important in saying that we have received information we are following up about who might be owners of these vehicles."

He would not elaborate on what links investigators had made between the cars and "other information that has come to us in recent times". ’

‘Police stressed it was not suggested the cars were linked to William's disappearance but the vehicles needed to eliminated from the homicide squad investigation.’

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-t...nths-after-disappearance-20150907-gjgpr1.html
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TJ’s car was eliminated:

‘(20:50) R:

'What about, are the cars still of interest?'

(20:55) GJ:

'We're still looking at the cars. From the last time we put the appeals out for the cars, we received a lot of information and that's a line of inquiry that we're following up. As I said, it is unusual for an active investigation to go into how we're approaching it but, because of the uniqueness of the investigation and the public' interest, we prioritise our lines of inquiry.

So we'll have a person of interest and we'll focus on that person of interest, we'll focus on the cars and we've got lines of inquiry going all over the place. We've got our dedicated Strike Force but we've also got access to all other investigators across the state if we need them.'
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(21:31) R:

'There was a car seized, at one point, matching the description of the graphics that were put out there. Can you say that [unintelligible] been ruled out?'

(21:42) GJ:

'I can only say it's been eliminated.'’

Source: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/en...-disappearance-of-William-Tyrrell-(continued)
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Also, irt BS but not his cars:

‘(10:17) R:

'It's been described as Bill Spedding was a person of interest. Is he still a person of interest twelve months on?'

(10:23) GJ:

'This is a current investigation. I won't speak specifically in regards to persons of interest. We keep an open mind to everything until this is solved but I will not discuss specific persons of interest.'’

Source: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/en...e-of-William-Tyrrell-7-News-12-September-2017

Unless, of course, I have missed something in MSM about BS’ cars being eliminated.
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ETA. Regarding the search for William, police were ‘looking into other scenarios’ within two days of his disappearance:

William Tyrrell: Timeline of boy's disappearance in September 2014
ABC News
POSTED MON 2 MAR 2015, 2:31 PM AEDT
UPDATED MON 12 SEP 2016, 9:33 AM AEST

’September 14, 2014

The search continued: hundreds of people combed rugged terrain around the home, while police divers searched waterways and dams. Police said they were looking into other scenarios.

September 15, 2014

Hundreds of police, State Emergency Services, Rural Fire Service and members of the community searched day and night for William. Specialist police, including the sex crimes squad form Strike Force Rosann continued to speak to local residents.

September 16, 2014

Police said the search would be expanded to three kilometres around the spot he disappeared from.

However, police said they were unable to come up with any leads after five days of searching and it was no longer possible William could still be alive if he was lost in bushland.

Sources told the ABC police were also talking to all known sex offenders in the region.’

Source: http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2015-...line-follows-disappearance-of-nsw-boy/6274088
 
This info was made available at the 2 year anniversary and is currently on the NSW Police website.

“To put the past two years into perspective, I can tell you police have received almost 3000 calls through Crime Stoppers, there have been more than 1000 alleged sightings in NSW, and another 300 around Australia or overseas; hundreds of persons of interest and hundreds more potential vehicles of interest nominated, more than 11,000 investigative reports completed, more than 450 addresses canvassed, and more than 300 statements obtained,” Det Ch Insp Jubelin said.

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/can_you_help_us/rewards/1000000_reward/$1_million_nsw_government_reward_announced_for_the_return_on_william_tyrrell

Following up hundreds of potential vehicles of interest would be a huge task. I wonder how many they have been able to eliminate over the last 12 months.
 
Lemony said:
This info was made available at the 2 year anniversary and is currently on the NSW Police website.

“To put the past two years into perspective, I can tell you police have received almost 3000 calls through Crime Stoppers, there have been more than 1000 alleged sightings in NSW, and another 300 around Australia or overseas; hundreds of persons of interest and hundreds more potential vehicles of interest nominated, more than 11,000 investigative reports completed, more than 450 addresses canvassed, and more than 300 statements obtained,” Det Ch Insp Jubelin said.

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/can_you_help_us/rewards/1000000_reward/$1_million_nsw_government_reward_announced_for_the_return_on_william_tyrrell

Following up hundreds of potential vehicles of interest would be a huge task. I wonder how many they have been able to eliminate over the last 12 months.
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From DCI Jubelin’s latest MSM presser irt POI (but some could be in connection with ‘vehicles of interest’):

’(10:36) R:

'In twelve months, can you narrow down how many persons of interest — with no names — you may have?'

(10:42) GJ:

'This is a dynamic investigation. I think the last time I spoke to the media we talked about a large number of persons of interest that we have in this matter. A substantial amount of those persons of interest have now been reduced but, because of the dynamic nature of this investigation, that list of persons of interest is constantly being added to so we are reducing the persons of interest.

Without going into methodology, we prioritise our lines of inquiry. We prioritise persons of interest and we target them. And we make no apologies to the vigorous way in which we target persons of interest. This is a serious crime that we're treating with the intensity that it deserves and we target persons of interest until we can thoroughly eliminate them.’
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(11:24) R:

'[Unintelligible] this is to the complexity of the investigation, can you give us, then, a ballpark figure, how many people you're targeting?'

(11:31) GJ:

'I can give you a ballpark figure — it's in the hundreds — but then we break that down from high priority persons of interest to more low risk persons of interest.

And the strike force is comprised of members from Homicide, from Local Area Command and also specialised commands. The Strike Force Rosann concentrate on the high priority persons of interest.'

Source: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/en...e-of-William-Tyrrell-7-News-12-September-2017


‘(21:45) R:

'How many suspects have you ruled out in the past twelve months? Are they dozens or hundreds?'

(21:48) GJ:

'Hundreds. Hundreds, and look it sounds like a very strong term when I say suspect or person of interest. Basically, these are people that we feel need further inquiries to be carried out to eliminate them but, in terms of persons of interest, we've eliminated hundreds in the past twelve months, since I spoke.'’

Source: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/en...-disappearance-of-William-Tyrrell-(continued)
 
Josie2014 said:
At the recent press conference, GJ was asked about the car taken for forensic testing, to which he replied it's been eliminated.
If the car connected to TJ has been eliminated and pedo ring all but ruled out.....
Does it mean that car belonging to his partner is not the car which was parked on Benaroon Drive the morning of 12th Sep '14? and they are still looking into both those cars?
or
Does it mean the old white station wagon parked on Benaroon Drive has been eliminated?
GJ is still saying the cars are a line of enquiry they are following. I'd like to know which cars they are still looking for or which cars they have found and are investigating probably in a covert operation.
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BBM
A pedo RING all but ruled out.
But A pedo - maybe not.....
imo
 
sosocurious said:
BBM
A pedo RING all but ruled out.
But A pedo - maybe not.....
imo
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Thanks soso, I was concentrating on the cars, the misper search for William and the initial involvement of Sex Crimes and formation of SF Rosann, so I skimmed right past that phrase in Josie’s post. Bless your eagle eyes x
 
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