Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

[CaptainPeacock]

Perhaps WSleuthers would find it a useful exercise to compare the reporting on both stories. It never ceases to amaze me how MSM reports manage to confound the facts. However, it would be naïve to think that this is always accidental. The Tyler Kennedy story was reported fairly accurately, with only a few discrepancies in the facts. In contrast, WT's case has been plagued with misleading information, probably due to a combination of two factors - purposeful and careful management of the information flow behind the scenes (by authorities) and guesswork to add sensationalism to the very few known facts (by media agencies).

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Sorry - new poster to WS. Still working out how to add links.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/b316623b04aa7206fbbbc68d69c0556c

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Here's a quick summary of what happened in the Tyler Kennedy case and my involvement.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Tyler came to the farm around 10am with his Mum and Dad fora rego check (there's a mechanical workshop there). It’s a 40 acre propertywith cleared paddocks, bushland and a pine forest plantation. It has river frontage onto Stewart’s River - dangerous place for a kid. I have lived on the farm myself twice in the past decade and know the place very well. I was particularly worried about the dams, river and well holes there.
The workshop is about 300m away from a pine forest (through two barbed wire fences) - which is where he’d wandered off to. He wasn't noticed missing for about 10 minutes - long enough to get a fair distance. The bush there isn't that thick - but the pine forest is appealling to older kids seeking adventure and may have seemed attractive to a little toddler. Everyone said he wouldn't be in the forest - why would a toddler go there? But he did! He was just 2.
I first heard about Tyler’s disappearance on the local news earlier in the day, but at first I didn’t know it had happened at my relative’s property. As soon as I heard the address, I bought a few torches and batteries at Woolies in Lakewood (Laurieton) and went down to the farm to help search for him. I got to the farm after dark (through the front gate). I went into the house to speak with my distraught relatives and to see Tyler’s mother - who was a hot mess, as you can imagine. Then I got a torch and a waterbottle and my relative and I went out to the forest. My relative had been out for hours already and after an hour we came back to the house. They had a break while I went out again.
I went through the pine forest - which covers about ten acres. Then I went up the back area of the farm to the edge of the state forest. Then right across the paddocks and cleared areas. Found nothing, heard nothing, although I called out Tyler’s name continuously.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

When I approached the mechanical workshop near the property’s front entrance (it’s a huge shed), the police officer stationed there collared me and was about to order me off the property until I explained who I was. He told me the official search for little Tyler was called off at 5:30 pm. .But he also told me that as I was a family member, he couldn’t stop me from continuing to search. I asked him was he aware that there were well shafts on the property - he wasn’t. At that time, about 7pm, I couldn’t see or hear anyone else outside the house.
I resumed searching on my own, and eventually I decided to go back to the house to get fresh torch batteries. The most heartening sight Iever saw was when I came out of the pine forest. Suddenly there were over a hundred people assembled on the dirt road at the property gates - a huge number of cars - all parked inside the exclusion zone and refusing to leave. It was awesome manpower - just what we needed. They had come in answer to calls on social media not to give up the search. People came from as far away as Macksville, Newcastle and even Wollongong. More kept coming all night.
I went to speak to the troops and let them in through the fence furthest from the one cop they’d left there. But he turned a blind eye anyway and didn’t stop me from showing the searchers where to go.
When we looked for Tyler we tramped right around the area where he was found - with sniffer dogs. Didn't find him until fifteen hours had passed and more than 300 searchers had gone through.
The official search party had police dogs that had not been able to track Tyler. I was within metres of him in the marshy area, and I couldn't find him either. Eventually, it was a guy who had made a pet of a retired army dog who found him - around one o’clock in the morning. He and three other people - a father, mother and daughter from Forster - had teamed up. One woman heard a faint cry coming from the swampy part of the property just on the edge of the pine forest. They took the dog over and the dog had been giving indications that she wanted to go that way when I'd been with those searchers earlier that night. They found the little boy lying half-conscious in water a few inches deep, among reed beds. Tyler had been gone since around 10 that morning and it was just 5 degrees.
The authorities gave up on that little guy and we (the community) found him AGAINST their orders. It was five frigging degrees out there that night, with a river and two dams, and well holes on the property.There was no way some uniform was going to stop me from searching! Later, they admitted that the local command got it wrong and shouldn't have called off the search just because it got dark.

 

[Bohemian]

No, nothing like WT's case, nor Tyler's. Had I not been a local, I would've seen similarities between Tyler's case and William's too, so I understand the reasoning there.

Perhaps WSleuthers would find it a useful exercise to compare the reporting on both stories. It never ceases to amaze me how MSM reports manage to confound the facts. However, it would be naïve to think that this is always accidental. The Tyler Kennedy story was reported fairly accurately, with only a few discrepancies in the facts. In contrast, WT's case has been plagued with misleading information, probably due to a combination of two factors - purposeful and careful management of the information flow behind the scenes (by authorities) and guesswork to add sensationalism to the very few known facts (by media agencies).

Sorry - new poster to WS. Still working out how to add links.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...y/news-story/b316623b04aa7206fbbbc68d69c0556c

I really appreciate your insight, CP. Being an MNC local, do you have a theory wrt what has happened to William (bearing in mind that both his foster and biological parents are not POI’s irt the investigation)?

ETA. BBM. Also could you expand on what you see as misleading information irt MSM reports surrounding William’s disappearance please, CP? Other than their inability to report that he was in foster care, of course.

 

[Bohemian]

Tyler came to the farm around 10am with his Mum and Dad fora rego check (there's a mechanical workshop there). It’s a 40 acre propertywith cleared paddocks, bushland and a pine forest plantation. It has river frontage onto Stewart’s River - dangerous place for a kid. I have lived on the farm myself twice in the past decade and know the place very well. I was particularly worried about the dams, river and well holes there.
The workshop is about 300m away from a pine forest (through two barbed wire fences) - which is where he’d wandered off to. He wasn't noticed missing for about 10 minutes - long enough to get a fair distance. The bush there isn't that thick - but the pine forest is appealling to older kids seeking adventure and may have seemed attractive to a little toddler. Everyone said he wouldn't be in the forest - why would a toddler go there? But he did! He was just 2.
I first heard about Tyler’s disappearance on the local news earlier in the day, but at first I didn’t know it had happened at my relative’s property. As soon as I heard the address, I bought a few torches and batteries at Woolies in Lakewood (Laurieton) and went down to the farm to help search for him. I got to the farm after dark (through the front gate). I went into the house to speak with my distraught relatives and to see Tyler’s mother - who was a hot mess, as you can imagine. Then I got a torch and a waterbottle and my relative and I went out to the forest. My relative had been out for hours already and after an hour we came back to the house. They had a break while I went out again.
I went through the pine forest - which covers about ten acres. Then I went up the back area of the farm to the edge of the state forest. Then right across the paddocks and cleared areas. Found nothing, heard nothing, although I called out Tyler’s name continuously.

When I approached the mechanical workshop near theproperty’s front entrance (it’s a huge shed), the police officer stationedthere collared me and was about to order me off the property until I explainedwho I was. He told me the official search for little Tyler was called off at5:30 pm. .But he also told me that as I was a family member, he couldn’t stopme from continuing to search. I asked him was he aware that there were wellshafts on the property - he wasn’t. At that time, about 7pm, I couldn’t see orhear anyone else outside the house.
I resumed searching on my own, and eventually I decided togo back to the house to get fresh torch batteries. The most heartening sight Iever saw was when I came out of the pine forest. Suddenly there were over ahundred people assembled on the dirt road at the property gates - a huge numberof cars - all parked inside the exclusion zone and refusing to leave. It wasawesome manpower. They had come in answer to calls on social media not to giveup the search. People came from as far away as Macksville, Newcastle and even Wollongong.
I went to speak to the troops and let them in through thefence furthest from the one cop they’d left there. But he turned a blind eyeanyway and didn’t stop me from showing the searchers where to go.
When we looked for Tyler we tramped right around the areawhere he was found - with sniffer dogs. Didn't find him until fifteen hours hadpassed and more than 300 searchers had gone through.
The official search party had police dogs that had not beenable to track Tyler. I was within metres of him in the marshy area, and Icouldn't find him either. Eventually, it was a guy who had made a pet of aretired army dog who found him - around one o’clock in the morning. He andthree other people - a father, mother and daughter from Forster - had teamedup. One woman heard a faint cry coming from the swampy part of the propertyjust on the edge of the pine forest. They took the dog over and the dog hadbeen giving indications that she wanted to go that way. They found the littleboy lying half-conscious in water a few inches deep, among reed beds. Tyler hadbeen gone since around 10 that morning and it was just 5 degrees.
The authorities gave up on that little guy and we (thecommunity) found him AGAINST their orders. It was five frigging degrees outthere that night, with a river and two dams, and well holes on the property.There was no way some uniform was going to stop me from searching! Later, theyadmitted that the local command got it wrong and shouldn't have called off thesearch just because it got dark.

Amazing work. Thank you and to all the searchers who went out looking for Tyler that night.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

I do have thoughts on the disappearance of WT, certainly. I would rule out both sets of parents. I ruled out the 'little boy lost' scenario the moment I drove up Benaroon Drive to refresh my memory of that street. I've been there before and since WT went missing. As for discrepancies in the facts, a good starting point would be the fact that WT was definitely at the house on Friday 12 September. I've heard a lot of speculation to the contrary. The information about various vehicles is also a slippery one to get ahold of. The timing of the release of the info about the cars has people confused. They were noticed sometime in the morning before WT vanished and were remembered by the evening that WT went missing.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

I ruled out the 'WT became lost in the bush' scenario early on. One day at 10:30am, I drove out there to the house and took my two children to the siteand had them stand near the front porch. I encouraged them toplay hide and seek to see which direction they might choose to run in when theywere trying to hide. They did precisely what everyone says kids would do whenthey see that yard - they ran down the slope, away from the bushland, to hideamong the low trees and greenery in the parklike front and side garden area ofthe block. If William was hiding out just before he vanished, this is the placefrom which he was taken.

 

[frogwell]

Hi CP and thank you so much for the information, background you have given on TK's search, and for understanding why it was of interest irt WT's case. I'm glad there was no foul play in regards to TK, however the similarities are strange to me in this case especially as the only known case of a child of WT's statistics and proximity to where he went missing in recent times. I found out about TK by reading an old post of someone who had been reported on in MSM. At the time she was asking the SES how locals from Kendall could help with TK's search. I think there would be other locals who were involved in both TK's and Wt's searches. I have wondered if one of the searchers for TK, was triggered in some way by that search, and from that event, began fantasising about how they could abduct a child until the opportunity presented itself when he/she saw WT. Just wonderings. Also, maybe you can help answer this question, was your relative already in the process of selling the property on the day TK got lost , or was it still for sale with people looking at the property? Thanks.

 

[Bohemian]

I do have thoughts on the disappearance of WT, certainly. I would rule out both sets of parents. I ruled out the 'little boy lost' scenario the moment I drove up Benaroon Drive to refresh my memory of that street. I've been there before and since WT went missing. As for discrepancies in the facts, a good starting point would be the fact that WT was definitely at the house on Friday 12 September. I've heard a lot of speculation to the contrary. The information about various vehicles is also a slippery one to get ahold of. The timing of the release of the info about the cars has people confused. They were noticed sometime in the morning before WT vanished and were remembered by the evening that WT went missing.

I ruled out the 'WT became lost in the bush' scenario early on. One day at 10:30am, I drove out there to the house and took my two children to the siteand had them stand near the front porch. I encouraged them toplay hide and seek to see which direction they might choose to run in when theywere trying to hide. They did precisely what everyone says kids would do whenthey see that yard - they ran down the slope, away from the bushland, to hideamong the low trees and greenery in the parklike front and side garden area ofthe block. If William was hiding out just before he vanished, this is the placefrom which he was taken.

Thank you again, CP. It’s wonderful to have a local joining in the discussion. My brain is just about fried so I’m going to bed. I’ll read your posts again and check in for updates in the morning.

 

[Bohemian]

Hi CP and thank you so much for the information, background you have given on TK's search, and for understanding why it was of interest irt WT's case. I'm glad there was no foul play in regards to TK, however the similarities are strange to me in this case especially as the only known case of a child of WT's statistics and proximity to where he went missing in recent times. I found out about TK by reading an old post of someone who had been reported on in MSM. At the time she was asking the SES how locals from Kendall could help with TK's search. I think there would be other locals who were involved in both TK's and Wt's searches. I have wondered if one of the searchers for TK, was triggered in some way by that search, and from that event, began fantasising about how they could abduct a child until the opportunity presented itself when he/she saw WT. Just wonderings. Also, maybe you can help answer this question, was your relative already in the process of selling the property on the day TK got lost , or was it still for sale with people looking at the property? Thanks.

Night le frog x

 

[CaptainPeacock]

So my theory is that WT's family was followed from Sydney, he was purposely targeted for abduction and the perp had local connections.

 

[frogwell]

Nite Bo

 

[frogwell]

So my theory is that WT's family was followed from Sydney, he was purposely targeted for abduction and the perp had local connections.

Hmm, interesting.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Also, maybe you can help answer this question, was your relative already in the process of selling the property on the day TK got lost , or was it still for sale with people looking at the property? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Hi Frogwell, It was still for sale. At that time they had only shown a few people through. I personally became involved in the WT case from the first breaking news because of my involvement with Tyler's case the previous year. I had planned to join the search but my kids came down with illness and I couldn't go. I was very frustrated, so I took to social media to encourage people not to give up the search (because of Tyler). At the time, in the early days of the story breaking, I felt it was likely he had wandered into the scrub or fallen into a dam or river. I spoke to people I know from the area, and folks who know the FGM and the foster family, and the picture got stranger and stranger.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

WS is a bit laggy tonight.

 

[frogwell]

WS is a bit laggy tonight.

Yeah, it can really slow down some nights. Was wondering what has drawn you to WS's and this investigation?

 

[CaptainPeacock]

I've done a great deal of research on the case.

 

[CaptainPeacock]

Hasn't everyone?