Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #28

[sosocurious]

No, the judge was definitely referring to the specifics of William and his bio parents, and the community in which William and "Sarah" lived for so much of their lives, with their foster parents.

Here's the link ... it is in point #6.

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9

Thanks SA - I thought it referring the said community.
How many other children would be experiencing that folklore in their little communities?

Given the present state of society, it is, in my view, only proper that the public be made aware of the bitterness, distrust, and, at times, irresponsible actions which are a commonplace of disputes such as these, and of the often intractable problems which judges commonly encounter when called upon to resolve such disputes.
https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9

 

[Bohemian]

He was sentenced to a total three year sentence but Judge Leonie Flannery ordered he be released on supervised parole after two years behind bars, on September 26, 2016.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...person-Tony-Jones-released.html#ixzz54zlzaUi1
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I'm puzzled by the article, I'm of the understanding he was released in September 2016, so why the article now?

Could this have something to do with the date discrepancy?

‘Judge Flannery indicated Jones should attend a sexual offenders program.’

http://www.news.com.au/national/cou...d/news-story/d9ec79b9a306ce05f01558790c3b5fc4

Maybe it was residential?

 

[Bohemian]

I think he probably has been ... and 'someone' has just pointed that out to the media.

How sickening. Rape an 11 year old girl, multiple times, and do less than 2 years in jail.
So many of our judges and the precedence they use are <bleep> .

For example:

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-police-ordered-to-pay-45000-to-child-sex-offender-20180122-h0mlc6.html

:gaah:

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks SA - I thought it referring the said community.
How many other children would be experiencing that folklore in their little communities?

Given the present state of society, it is, in my view, only proper that the public be made aware of the bitterness, distrust, and, at times, irresponsible actions which are a commonplace of disputes such as these, and of the often intractable problems which judges commonly encounter when called upon to resolve such disputes.
https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9

The way the point is written, it almost sounds as if there has been trouble where William, "Sarah", and the foster parents lived. Trouble with the bio parent(s).

 

[Karinna]

Maybe now that KT is publicly identified, she has people say disgusting things to her out in public. Before she was identified it has been reported that there have been no issues with her other children, so why now? Maybe she is an easy target to set up, by the media or others with an agenda, especially since she has been laying low and "co-operating" with establishment for the last few years. There is possibly a lot going on behind the scenes in court rooms etc., ...... but govt. departments and committed christians and the media don't ever play rough with people when things aren't going their way, do they?

I am also wondering about KT's relationship with the media? Is she allowing them carte blanche on her life, photographing her out and about with her other children? They don't seem like posed photos to me, but random shots by media journos? But don't really know what that is all about with that.

 

[Karinna]

The way the point is written, it almost sounds as if there has been trouble where William, "Sarah", and the foster parents lived. Trouble with the bio parent(s).

That's not what it says
(quote)
However, his Honour declined to grant an injunction restraining the proposed televising of a segment on a television program relating to children who were wards of the court, their maternal grandparents and their mother, the matter being in the public interest and there being no real risk of substantial harm to the children.
In context the judge mentions "children" and i doubt this pertains to bio parents or FP's before WT went missing. IMO

 

[frogwell]

The way the point is written, it almost sounds as if there has been trouble where William, "Sarah", and the foster parents lived. Trouble with the bio parent(s).

Karinna's 3 posts back, shows that the judge was not referring to WT or his sister. Point 6 referrs to previous case law to help in the judge's decision making process.

 

[SouthAussie]

That's not what it says
(quote)
However, his Honour declined to grant an injunction restraining the proposed televising of a segment on a television program relating to children who were wards of the court, their maternal grandparents and their mother, the matter being in the public interest and there being no real risk of substantial harm to the children

That's not the point I was referring to. I was referring to the specific part that soso quoted.

Karinna's last post shows that the judge was not referring to WT or his sister. Point 6 referrs to previous case law to help in the judge's decision making process.

I don't read it that way at all. I see that the judge brought the point back to relate to this specific case. He speaks in general, then gets specific.


Anyway. it doesn't matter. I believe this discussion all started because Karlie spat in a police officer's face.

 

[frogwell]

Thanks SA - I thought it referring the said community.
How many other children would be experiencing that folklore in their little communities?

Given the present state of society, it is, in my view, only proper that the public be made aware of the bitterness, distrust, and, at times, irresponsible actions which are a commonplace of disputes such as these, and of the often intractable problems which judges commonly encounter when called upon to resolve such disputes.
https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/58853ecfe4b058596cba36a9

That is a good question and since the judge did not want to uphold the injunction on the grounds that it would at the very least display to the public the very common situation judges find themselves in, during intractible disputes.

 

[frogwell]

That's not the point I was referring to. I was referring to the specific part that soso quoted.





I don't read it that way at all. I see that the judge brought the point back to relate to this specific case. He speaks in general, then gets specific.


Anyway. it doesn't matter. I believe this discussion all started because Karlie spat in a police officer's face.

To my mind the point is either right or wrong. I believe that I am correct on this point and you are not. MOO. I don't care if she spat at a cop if he deserved it, and on that point, we do not know. MOO

 

[drsleuth]

Maybe now that KT is publicly identified, she has people say disgusting things to her out in public. Before she was identified it has been reported that there have been no issues with her other children, so why now? Maybe she is an easy target to set up, by the media or others with an agenda, especially since she has been laying low and "co-operating" with establishment for the last few years. There is possibly a lot going on behind the scenes in court rooms etc., ...... but govt. departments and committed christians and the media don't ever play rough with people when things aren't going their way, do they?

It's never OK to spit in anyone's face, no matter what "problems" anyone maybe encountering...........no matter who you are :sick::maddening:

 

[SouthAussie]

To my mind the point is either right or wrong. I believe that I am correct on this point and you are not. MOO. I don't care if she spat at a cop if he deserved it, and on that point, we do not know. MOO

My opinion is very different from yours, as is my interpretation of the judge's words. So I am just going to agree to disagree.

Though I do care very much that Karlie spat in a police officer's face. I care about anyone disrespecting our officers who try to maintain peace and order for us all. They don't deserve that ever imo. And it is disgusting.
I can see that some people lose their tempers and swear at a police officer, but the spitting .....

I hope she never complains when her children spit at her, because she has just shown them that spitting is acceptable behaviour, to her.

 

[Karinna]

To my mind the point is either right or wrong. I believe that I am correct on this point and you are not. MOO. I don't care if she spat at a cop if he deserved it, and on that point, we do not know. MOO

Another point here is wasn't KT a victim of DV with her drug taking violent & abusive ex partner? Where is the empathy i wonder from people toward a victim of DV, and losing her children because of it?
I agree & she might have got manhandled by police, it does happen if they restrain & hurt you in the process.

 

[frogwell]

It's never OK to spit in anyone's face, no matter what "problems" anyone maybe encountering...........no matter who you are :sick::maddening:

Of course you are entitled to your opinion. Funny how she wasn't charged with the initial complaint that security had with her behaviour towards other customers, just how she reacted to police... No other unofficial witnesses in court....

 

[sosocurious]

Maybe now that KT is publicly identified, she has people say disgusting things to her out in public. Before she was identified it has been reported that there have been no issues with her other children, so why now? Maybe she is an easy target to set up, by the media or others with an agenda, especially since she has been laying low and "co-operating" with establishment for the last few years. There is possibly a lot going on behind the scenes in court rooms etc., ...... but govt. departments and committed christians and the media don't ever play rough with people when things aren't going their way, do they?

To my mind the point is either right or wrong. I believe that I am correct on this point and you are not. MOO. I don't care if she spat at a cop if he deserved it, and on that point, we do not know. MOO

I thought KT identified her self as WT mother on facebook.

Natalie Collins has criticised the secrecy surrounding her family's name

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-grandmother-slams-secrecy.html#ixzz54zy1aYnx

Oh frog it is never OK to spit at anyone in front of children especially a police officer.
moo

 

[sosocurious]

My opinion is very different from yours, as is my interpretation of the judge's words. So I am just going to agree to disagree.

Though I do care very much that Karlie spat in a police officer's face. I care about anyone disrespecting our officers who try to maintain peace and order for us all. They don't deserve that ever imo. And it is disgusting.
I can see that some people lose their tempers and swear at a police officer, but the spitting .....

I hope she never complains when her children spit at her, because she has just shown them that spitting is acceptable behaviour, to her.

What is it with this lot spitting in peoples faces?

 

[Karinna]

What is it with this lot spitting in peoples faces?

A family trait?

 

[sosocurious]

A family trait?

Or learned behaviour.
No child should ever witness their role models doing that.
imo

 

[Karinna]

Or learned behaviour.
No children should never witness their role models doing that.
imo

Well no, but no kids should ever witness their mother getting beat up either. I have seen little kids spit & bite, so they do it without even seeing that too.

 

[SouthAussie]

Or learned behaviour.
No child should ever witness their role models doing that.
imo

And someone needs to be big enough to not continue the behaviour, and start turning things around.
We should never enable someone by providing excuses for their bad (and/or criminal) behaviour imo.

It likely was not okay by Karlie to go through domestic violence, but it is okay by her, apparently, to spit in a police officer's face. That is assault.