Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #33

[SouthAussie]

In the link Bo posted to case it says argument ? What does that mean ?

There is a lot to read up on that. Don't have a lot of time left at the moment.

But, briefly, it looks as though it is arguing a precedent or policy or tradition.

Maybe he is trying to get around MSM policy, so that some future stuff is not printed (like the results and details of his criminal cases, perhaps)?

I will try to read up more about it later.

 

[sosocurious]

There is a lot to read up on that. Don't have a lot of time left at the moment.

But, briefly, it looks as though it is arguing a precedent or policy or tradition.

Maybe he is trying to get around MSM policy, so that some future stuff is not printed (like the results and details of his criminal cases, perhaps)?

I will try to read up more about it later.

The court sitting list indicates Judge McCallum has the Defemation List - Motions and Arguments.
Not on the 4th though but I guess the annual list dates could change as indicated.

http://www.supremecourt.justice.nsw.gov.au/Pages/sco2_courtlists/court_sittings.aspx

 

[iailwa]

I think its a unique reward because its directed solely to one person, and most of us know exactly who Jubelin means.
Its sad that so much has to be offered for someone to do the right thing.

Are we quite sure that we know who Jubelin means? His lone wolf statement doesn't quite strike me as him. Perhaps TJ? Or an unknown? Obviously, it could be BS, but who knows? They haven't been able to find any evidence despite numerous searches of his car/property/workplace. When little William is found, I hope there is an abundance of evidence then. Poor little kid...

 

[bearbear]

in my opinion, from what weve been fed by msm, bs looks like the main suspect in williams disappearance,
so many coincidences and situations point to it being him, and it could be,
also i believe those little girls who said he assaulted them and think hes possibly very active in those groups, especially online,
but is he really clever enough to get away with the assault or death of a child without leaving any evidence?
maybe he passed him on and distanced himself emotionally?
i do wonder if police are looking at someone else though, right from the start, when that first attending officers instincts kicked in, and bs is the perfect distraction, he has a shocking history and associates, so its believable for the public to think its him?
meanwhile theyre building a solid case against someone else and rounding up local paedophiles while theyre at it?

 

[iailwa]

in my opinion, from what weve been fed by msm, bs looks like the main suspect in williams disappearance,
so many coincidences and situations point to it being him, and it could be,
also i believe those little girls who said he assaulted them and think hes possibly very active in those groups, especially online,
but is he really clever enough to get away with the assault or death of a child without leaving any evidence?
maybe he passed him on and distanced himself emotionally?
i do wonder if police are looking at someone else though, right from the start, when that first attending officers instincts kicked in, and bs is the perfect distraction, he has a shocking history and associates, so its believable for the public to think its him?
meanwhile theyre building a solid case against someone else and rounding up local paedophiles while theyre at it?

Well said! Tis true they obviously had to investigate him - but is he smart enough to leave absolutely no evidence? Hopefully we'll find out!

 

[bearbear]

i think it was vanessa partridge who was first attending and she says 'williams not missing' or something like that,
might be in the 60 mins interview?
police must have a good idea what happened, nobody really commits the perfect crime

 

[suspicious]

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[they'll get you]

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That’s the very reason WS rules are MSM articles and links only because we (WS) can’t get sued.


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[SouthAussie]

in my opinion, from what weve been fed by msm, bs looks like the main suspect in williams disappearance,
so many coincidences and situations point to it being him, and it could be,
also i believe those little girls who said he assaulted them and think hes possibly very active in those groups, especially online,
but is he really clever enough to get away with the assault or death of a child without leaving any evidence?
maybe he passed him on and distanced himself emotionally?
i do wonder if police are looking at someone else though, right from the start, when that first attending officers instincts kicked in, and bs is the perfect distraction, he has a shocking history and associates, so its believable for the public to think its him?
meanwhile theyre building a solid case against someone else and rounding up local paedophiles while theyre at it?

Do the police do that? Point the finger at one person, while secretly investigating another?
I can't actually recall any case like that.
And surely it could lead to lawsuits against the police department(s) involved. Something I would think would not go down well with the Police Commisioner.

 

[iailwa]

Do the police do that? Point the finger at one person, while secretly investigating another?
I can't actually recall any case like that.
And surely it could lead to lawsuits against the police departments. Something I would think would not go down well with the Police Commisioner.

Of course they do investigate everyone who is a POI... and of course they secretly investigate others...?? Did the police point their finger at one person? I think not

 

[iailwa]

Sorry SA it seems I am at odds with your convictions today, I hope you are alright with that? All valid points by both of us...

 

[sosocurious]

Of course they do investigate everyone who is a POI... and of course they secretly investigate others...?? Did the police point their finger at one person? I think not

Actually the police said BS was not a suspect, during the search of his home and office.
It was he who named himself as a POI in his and Marg's exclusive interview.
The one when he said they they were both close to a nervous breakdown.

Tradie 'close to breakdown' after search
Police say he's not a suspect in the disappearance of toddler William Tyrell, but William Spedding says the experience has left him close to a breakdown.
Updated 24 January 2015

 

[SouthAussie]

Sorry SA it seems I am at odds with your convictions today, I hope you are alright with that? All valid points by both of us...

I am okay with people not agreeing with me. I wish you would back up your statement with some evidence of what you are saying, though.

I am saying that I cannot remember a case where a POI(s) has been so blatantly named, and then suddenly another completely different unknown unnamed person is arrested for that crime.

 

[iailwa]

Actually the police said BS was not a suspect, during the search of his home and office.
It was he who named himself as a POI in his and Marg's exclusive interview.
The one when he said they they were both close to a nervous breakdown.




Tradie 'close to breakdown' after search
Police say he's not a suspect in the disappearance of toddler William Tyrell, but William Spedding says the experience has left him close to a breakdown.
Updated 24 January 2015

so what's your point?

 

[iailwa]

I am okay with people not agreeing with me. I wish you would back up your statement with some evidence of what you are saying, though.

I am saying that I cannot remember a case where a POI(s) has been so blatantly named, and then suddenly another completely different unknown unnamed person is arrested for that crime.

I've seen heaps --- do you want me to drag them up? Mainly USA cases...

 

[bearbear]

Do the police do that? Point the finger at one person, while secretly investigating another?
I can't actually recall any case like that.
And surely it could lead to lawsuits against the police department(s) involved. Something I would think would not go down well with the Police Commisioner.

but i dont know that theyve really pointed the finger at bs, theyve let msm do that for them which conveniently takes the focus from someone else maybe, det jubelin always refuses to discuss who may or may not be a poi
and from past dealings he knows what bs is and is capable of and if hes guilty of harming william theyve exposed him through msm hoping someone comes forward, or otherwise hes just a welcome distraction?

 

[they'll get you]

The thing that I find really interesting is the Supreme Court application. Why the Supreme Court? That is a pretty darn high court for a lawsuit, if that is what this is.

Could he be shutting them up on some knowledge they intend to publish?


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[SouthAussie]

The court sitting list indicates Judge McCallum has the Defemation List - Motions and Arguments.
Not on the 4th though but I guess the annual list dates could change as indicated.

http://www.supremecourt.justice.nsw.gov.au/Pages/sco2_courtlists/court_sittings.aspx

So, if it is defamation that will be argued, this is what Spedding has to prove ....

The communication has been published by the defendant; and
The communication has been published to a third person; and
The communication identifies or is about the plaintiff; and
The communication is defamatory.
https://www.turnerfreeman.com.au/nsw/defamation-claims/

That part is easy, I would think.

The rest of it, not so easy ....

Defamation actions are perceived as “controversial” because freedom of speech and protection of reputation are difficult to balance. Many of the complexities derive from the maintaining of this balance.

Defamation cases are conducted in the Supreme Court .....

The precise words said to have been written or spoken must also be pleaded; it is not enough to identify their substance:....

In Australia, defences fall into three main categories: justification, fair comment and privilege .....

https://www.judcom.nsw.gov.au/publications/benchbks/civil/defamation.html

 

[SouthAussie]

I've seen heaps --- do you want me to drag them up? Mainly USA cases...

Yes, I would like you to provide at least one decent example, if you want to make a point. I try to do that as much as possible.

But an Australian example would be only right, as we are talking about Australian police practise and methodology .. not what they do in the US.

 

[sleepinoz]

The thing that I find really interesting is the Supreme Court application. Why the Supreme Court? That is a pretty darn high court for a lawsuit, if that is what this is.

It's being heard in the Supreme court because of the monetary value IMO.

District court is limited to $750,000, if you want more you have to go to the Supreme Court.

https://www.judcom.nsw.gov.au/publications/benchbks/civil/monetary_jurisdiction.html

For claims involving the general law, including common law actions, intentional torts and commercial disputes, the jurisdiction of the District Court is $750,000: s 4(1) of the District Court Act 1973.