Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #33

[SouthAussie]

I have 2 ways of looking at this new search


I got the impression that the coroner has advised the investigation that with the information Strikeforce Rosann has at present, misadventure cannot be ruled out as a coronial finding or as an explanation in someone's defence if on trial. This search has to happen to rule that out completely for a coroner's satisfaction. So police are gathering and spending up to a month, hoping to find nothing?

Also keep thinking about the tracker at the beginning of WT's disappearance, Jake Cassar, who found a knife sheath.

If we are talking about a criminal trial, which is what I think Jubes was more focussing on due to his comments, it would likely be the Prosecutor that wants any reasonable doubt about William's disappearance being from human intervention ruled out.

Seems there is still a lot to do before an inquest is considered.

 

[MRichards]

Sorry if I'm dim, but are you accusing the poor old foster grandma?

I was suggesting that someones phone picked up a WIFI connection in a location aka out front grandmas.

A MAC address might be conflicting with someones statement.

Certainly not. For your clarity, none of the foster family and asociates.
The fosters have been cleared. I adhere to the police narrative.

 

[sosocurious]

I have 2 ways of looking at this new search


I got the impression that the coroner has advised the investigation that with the information Strikeforce Rosann has at present, misadventure cannot be ruled out as a coronial finding or as an explanation in someone's defence if on trial. This search has to happen to rule that out completely for a coroner's satisfaction. So police are gathering and spending up to a month, hoping to find nothing?

Also keep thinking about the tracker at the beginning of WT's disappearance, Jake Cassar, who found a knife sheath.

He added there were “hundreds of persons of interest” in the case but very few “high risk” persons of interest.
New twist in search for William Tyrrell

Well Jube's seems to think they may find something.

I keep thinking about that early statement - It's bewildering, too, in this era of electronic footprints.
Kendall may have have reception. But you would ping somewhere suggesting you were not at Kendall, surely.
Or as MRichards suggest that you were.

Nocookies

 

[MRichards]

A coroners supervised forensic search will omit misadventure in a trial or inquest.

Multiple searches, some under the framework of proper process.

Misadventure wont be entertained in a trial or inquest once completed.

 

[purpleandgreen]

I was suggesting that someones phone picked up a WIFI connection in a location aka out front grandmas.

A MAC address might be conflicting with someones statement.

Certainly not. For your clarity, none of the foster family and asociates.
The fosters have been cleared. I adhere to the police narrative.

Thanks MR. You'll have to forgive me as I have no comprehension of anything to do with a lot of this amazing technology stuff. I can use a smartphone and a computer and that's about it!

But yes I do now understand what you're saying about the phone and wi-fi. I wonder who that phone belonged to? Thanks for clarifying. Cheers.

 

[Morrisa]

Has anyone tracked down the press conference to post here?
With full Q&A?

 

[louisepiglet]

I was suggesting that someones phone picked up a WIFI connection in a location aka out front grandmas.

A MAC address might be conflicting with someones statement.

Certainly not. For your clarity, none of the foster family and asociates.
The fosters have been cleared. I adhere to the police narrative.

That is a really good point but wouldn't this have been known a long time ago. Pretty hard to say you were not in the area if your phone picked up someones wifi.

 

[frogwell]

If we are talking about a criminal trial, which is what I think Jubes was more focussing on due to his comments, it would likely be the Prosecutor that wants any reasonable doubt about William's disappearance being from human intervention ruled out.

Seems there is still a lot to do before an inquest is considered.

Sure, same same. The initial searches though, were for WT, alive and then continued on when it was conceded that if he was in the bush he could not have survived. Surely those searches were convincing enough that he wasn't there and no trace of him found either. I'm so confused by this case still after all these years, and 2nd guess everything that is reported cause it can all have at least 2 meanings. It is a unique investigation apparently and I hope for a result for everyone involved, I get the impression that there is something quite dysfunctional about this case. I couldn't put blame anywhere in particular except that it feels like there is some type of conflict between those who are responsible for investigating and overseeing this case and maybe others who have a responsibility to bring an outcome or closure to this case. I'm being inspecific cause no one in particular comes to mind, but is this feeling palpable to anyone else following this case?

 

[louisepiglet]

Sure, same same. The initial searches though, were for WT, alive and then continued on when it was conceded that if he was in the bush he could not have survived. Surely those searches were convincing enough that he wasn't there and no trace of him found either. I'm so confused by this case still after all these years, and 2nd guess everything that is reported cause it can all have at least 2 meanings. It is a unique investigation apparently and I hope for a result for everyone involved, I get the impression that there is something quite dysfunctional about this case. I couldn't put blame anywhere in particular except that it feels like there is some type of conflict between those who are responsible for investigating and overseeing this case and maybe others who have a responsibility to bring an outcome or closure to this case. I'm being inspecific cause no one in particular comes to mind, but is this feeling palpable to anyone else following this case?

Totally agree.

 

[SouthAussie]

Has anyone tracked down the press conference to post here?
With full Q&A?

The video in this link, which I just watched again, is the fullest that I have personally seen.

'We have grave fears': Police begin wide-scale search for missing boy William Tyrrell

 

[Jennifer17]

He added there were “hundreds of persons of interest” in the case but very few “high risk” persons of interest.
New twist in search for William Tyrrell

Well Jube's seems to think they may find something.

I keep thinking about that early statement - It's bewildering, too, in this era of electronic footprints.
Kendall may have have ****** reception. But you would ping somewhere suggesting you were not at Kendall, surely.
Or as MRichards suggest that you were.

Nocookies

Thank God that I am not a murderer, or even a missing person. They would not find any phone pings for me. I leave my phone at home, when I go out, much to the disgust of my children.

 

[SouthAussie]

I get the impression that there is something quite dysfunctional about this case. I couldn't put blame anywhere in particular except that it feels like there is some type of conflict between those who are responsible for investigating and overseeing this case and maybe others who have a responsibility to bring an outcome or closure to this case. I'm being inspecific cause no one in particular comes to mind, but is this feeling palpable to anyone else following this case?

No, I can't say that I have ever felt like that about this case.
I think they know exactly where they are going, they just need to change strategy now and then due to the lack of cooperation by someone(s) in the know. They are not going to let anything/anyone stand in their way of an eventual accurate result.

 

[Hbayne]

I would find it believable for a panicked perp to relocate little William’s body to the area they initially thought he had wandered off into in an attempt to either - make it appear as though he had wondered off after all, or to cast doubt on their guilt to a jury.
Where the kept his body before the relocation though & how they managed to avoid detection while relocating is a bit hard to believe.

Everything about this case is hard to believe yes. Whoever abducted William in the first place took an incredible risk so I find it possible they would take a risk again

 

[Jennifer17]

Sure, same same. The initial searches though, were for WT, alive and then continued on when it was conceded that if he was in the bush he could not have survived. Surely those searches were convincing enough that he wasn't there and no trace of him found either. I'm so confused by this case still after all these years, and 2nd guess everything that is reported cause it can all have at least 2 meanings. It is a unique investigation apparently and I hope for a result for everyone involved, I get the impression that there is something quite dysfunctional about this case. I couldn't put blame anywhere in particular except that it feels like there is some type of conflict between those who are responsible for investigating and overseeing this case and maybe others who have a responsibility to bring an outcome or closure to this case. I'm being inspecific cause no one in particular comes to mind, but is this feeling palpable to anyone else following this case?

BBM. I am not sure what that means. Aren't the people who are investigating the case, the same people who have responsibility to want closure?

 

[they'll get you]

It does, it does.
The question to Jube's about the active pedo ring operating in the area.
It was a legitimate line of inquiry we explored. But it did not provide any information that lead to the charging of any person or the recovery of William.

'We have grave fears': Police begin wide-scale search for missing boy William Tyrrell

It certainly put a few high risk persons residing in the area on the radar, though.
Seems it won't be long before police will be naming their poi or poi's.

So BS's case against the media will be smack bang in the middle of this large scale - forensic search.
Geez I wish we knew just what his gripe is...

IMO BS is lawyered up and has $$ in his eyes.
He’s cocky thinking they can’t touch him and he thinks they can’t prove a thing ‘cause his lawyer is telling him so.

The more cocky he gets the more stupid and loose lipped he’ll become.
All MOO.

We know who knows don’t we.

The insecure looks.......

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[louisepiglet]

BBM. I am not sure what that means. Aren't the people who are investigating the case, the same people who have responsibility to want closure?

I think I understand what froggy means. Maybe some of the investigating team are focussing all the efforts on one particular POI and the rest of the team are more open to other possibilities. It is only human nature to want to be proved right but hopefully when you a leading an investigating team you would be able to put your personal feelings aside.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think I understand what froggy means. Maybe some of the investigating team are focussing all the efforts on one particular POI and the rest of the team are more open to other possibilities. It is only human nature to want to be proved right but hopefully when you a leading an investigating team you would be able to put your personal feelings aside.

I am not sure how that can be said. Jubelin expressed very clearly in the presser, how they are remaining open to everything. Even a pedo ring, which they have found no evidence to lead to "charging of anyone or finding William".

What more would he be expected to say or do? Especially when none of us knows everything that has been done already ... in the almost 4 years that William has been missing.

 

[louisepiglet]

I am not sure how that can be said. Jubelin expressed very clearly in the presser, how they are remaining open to everything. Even a pedo ring, which they have found no evidence to lead to "charging of anyone or finding William".

What more would he be expected to say or do?

He said what he is expected to say. I would love to know how the rest of his team feel about the direction of the investigation.

 

[Jennifer17]

I think I understand what froggy means. Maybe some of the investigating team are focussing all the efforts on one particular POI and the rest of the team are more open to other possibilities. It is only human nature to want to be proved right but hopefully when you a leading an investigating team you would be able to put your personal feelings aside.

We have heard nothing that the investigating team is divided. Where does that come from?

 

[louisepiglet]

We have heard nothing that the investigating team is divided. Where does that come from?

Why would we? Jubelin is the leader and the spokesperson.