Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[iailwa]

I have some questions:

1. How rare is it for young boys to be abducted from their front yards and the perpetrator never to be found?
2. How many times has this happened in our lifetimes?
3. Is this the only time?
4. Who is the person (are the persons) who has/have a proven history of abducting young boys in NSW, if not Australia, after taking them from their front yards?

When you say from "front yards" it makes it very exclusive BO - is there something you aren't saying; someone u have in mind? I can't think of a single boy taken from a nsw yard... but in the whole of aust, idk? If the wording was changed to opportunist abduction from 'anywhere' of opportunity, rather than yards - we'd have heaps. Numbers in our lifetime of course depend on whether we are grannies/granpas, or not haha I can think of a more than a many young girls abducted in australia on the whole, over time, but not as many young boys (who were alone).

OT --perhaps the bowraville culprit would have taken a young boy, if he could. he went for both female & male teens, & a 4 year old girl. he didn't seem to have a type MOO

 

[Bohemian]

When you say from "front yards" it makes it very exclusive BO - is there something you aren't saying; someone u have in mind? I can't think of a single boy taken from a nsw yard... but in the whole of aust, idk? If the wording was changed to opportunist abduction from 'anywhere' of opportunity, rather than yards - we'd have heaps. Numbers in our lifetime of course depend on whether we are grannies/granpas, or not haha I can think of a more than a many young girls abducted in australia on the whole, over time, but not as many young boys (who were alone).

OT --perhaps the bowraville culprit would have taken a young boy, if he could. he went for both female & male teens, & a 4 year old girl. he didn't seem to have a type MOO

I don’t have anyone in mind, just thinking about a perpetrator with a specific MO. I’m thinking, in William’s case, that the perpetrator might have escalated to murder, similar to BPC in Daniel’s case. Thankfully, he is locked up for a very long time.

A child, particularly male, abducted from their home. Either front yard, back yard, or very close to home. May have even been returned or abandoned close to home. I am thinking this was a very brazen crime, fraught with incredible risk.

There was a similar one in WA in 2015:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-15/police-investigate-report-child-removed-from-shelley-backyard/6547132

Anecdotally, I know of two little girls who were taken from their homes or very close to their homes, one in the 70s and the other in the 90s, who were sexually assaulted and then either returned to their home or abandoned very close to home.

 

[iailwa]

I don’t have anyone in mind, just thinking about a perpetrator with a specific MO. I’m thinking, in William’s case, that the perpetrator might have escalated to murder, similar to BPC in Daniel’s case. Thankfully, he is locked up for a very long time.

A child, particularly male, abducted from their home. Either front yard, back yard, or very close to home. May have even been returned or abandoned close to home. I am thinking this was a very brazen crime, fraught with incredible risk.

There was a similar one in WA in 2015:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-15/police-investigate-report-child-removed-from-shelley-backyard/6547132

Anecdotally, I know of two little girls who were taken from their homes or very close to their homes, one in the 70s and the other in the 90s, who were sexually assaulted and then either returned to their home or abandoned very close to home.

I think BPC had intended to kill a boy many years before, somehow the boy emerged from being left for dead (in darwin). I think it was many years before Daniel

Ok, so from their home vacinity. yes incredible risk. Being abducted & returned has me thinking of that car repair shop - not far from Kendall :O

Could be a MO...? There's been cases before where the kid has been drugged... & given too much.

can't open the link

 

[iailwa]

Got to open it @Bohemian - did you detect an undercurrent of the police not 100% believing in this kid? Must be so hard for children.. recall & everything. A lot of fear

 

[Bohemian]

I think BPC had intended to kill a boy many years before, somehow the boy emerged from being left for dead (in darwin). I think it was many years before Daniel

Ok, so from their home vacinity. yes incredible risk. Being abducted & returned has me thinking of that car repair shop - not far from Kendall :O

Could be a MO...? There's been cases before where the kid has been drugged... & given too much.

can't open the link

I think he killed Daniel because Daniel could identify him and he had been convicted of similar crimes before. Twice, in fact.

I have always wondered about the toddler from John’s River and if he did wander away or was taken.

The article is titled: ‘Child reportedly grabbed from backyard of Perth home, found later in street uninjured, police say’

Published on the ABC News website on Tuesday, 16 June 2015.

 

[Bohemian]

Got to open it @Bohemian - did you detect an undercurrent of the police not 100% believing in this kid? Must be so hard for children.. recall & everything. A lot of fear

Yeah, I did get that feeling. But individual police officers have discounted this type of incident before.

 

[iailwa]

Yeah, I did get that feeling. But individual police officers have discounted this type of incident before.

too true...

 

[iailwa]

I think he killed Daniel because Daniel could identify him and he had been convicted of similar crimes before. Twice, in fact.

I have always wondered about the toddler from John’s River and if he did wander away or was taken.

The article is titled: ‘Child reportedly grabbed from backyard of Perth home, found later in street uninjured, police say’

Published on the ABC News website on Tuesday, 16 June 2015.

Yes i'm pretty sure he murdered Daniel so he couldn't be identified, but if you look at the horrific injuries to the little boy in Darwin - he likely tried to silence him forever. he's such an evil man. I wonder how many other kids have gone missing while he's in the area?

 

[Bohemian]

Yes i'm pretty sure he murdered Daniel so he couldn't be identified, but if you look at the horrific injuries to the little boy in Darwin - he likely tried to silence him forever. he's such an evil man. I wonder how many other kids have gone missing while he's in the area?

Yes, it makes you wonder. If William was abducted by someone akin to BPC, no child is safe until they are behind bars.

 

[iailwa]

Yes, it makes you wonder. If William was abducted by someone akin to BPC, no child is safe until they are behind bars.

OT - what makes someone be like BPC? I read & saw some stuff re aside from nurture, some psychopaths have a different physiological wiring of the brain. Good to think in terms of what the future may hold... identify young & intervene, whether that will help? All this gene technology will go places . I'm so loving people are being convicted lately because their relatives want to take an heredity test -hahahaha, just love it

 

[iailwa]

OT

Man charged with mum-of-three Samantha Fraser’s murder

the hubby or ex-hubby once again

 

[Bohemian]

OT - what makes someone be like BPC? I read & saw some stuff re aside from nurture, some psychopaths have a different physiological wiring of the brain. Good to think in terms of what the future may hold... identify young & intervene, whether that will help? All this gene technology will go places . I'm so loving people are being convicted lately because their relatives want to take an heredity test -hahahaha, just love it

Who knows? AFAIK he came from a normal family, was educated in a non-government school. It was reported that people thought him weird from a young age and he also had some traits like flashing when he was in school. It was suspected he learnt his trade from an employee of the school who was later convicted on CSA offences.

Yes, intervention may hold the key. Again, who knows? Also loving GED Match and the like for tracking down perpetrators in cold cases. There is nowhere to hide from DNA *mwahahahaha*

Nevertheless, the answer to William’s disappearance will come. The smallest piece of evidence will link the perpetrator to his crime. If not, there is always an inquest — when the time is right.

 

[iailwa]

Who knows? AFAIK he came from a normal family, was educated in a non-government school. It was reported that people thought him weird from a young age and he also had some traits like flashing when he was in school. It was suspected he learnt his trade from an employee of the school who was later convicted on CSA offences.

Yes, intervention may hold the key. Again, who knows? Also loving GED Match and the like for tracking down peeps in cold cases. There is nowhere to hide from DNA *mwahahahaha*

Nevertheless, the answer to William’s disappearance will come. The smallest piece of evidence will link the perpetrator to his crime. If not, there is always an inquest — when the time is right.

yes n0-where to hide & who'd of thought of it - back then? hehe suckers! me rubbing hands together

that stuff about BPC, lends theory to perhaps he's wired differently - as also are narcissists, and i think all psychopaths are narcissist but not all narcissist are psychopaths? (Maybe not all psychopaths are narcissists? holy hell).

Love brain mapping stuff , & looking forward to watching it expand...

And with all this other DNA stuff, will it eventually be impossible to get away with murder? Hopefully it's much much more difficult... ( insert prayer symbol)

 

[Bohemian]

yes n0-where to hide & who'd of thought of it - back then? hehe suckers! me rubbing hands together

that stuff about BPC, lends theory to perhaps he's wired differently - as also are narcissists, and i think all psychopaths are narcissist but not all narcissist are psychopaths? (Maybe not all psychopaths are narcissists? holy hell).

Love brain mapping stuff , & looking forward to watching it expand...

And with all this other DNA stuff, will it eventually be impossible to get away with murder? Hopefully it's much much more difficult... ( insert prayer symbol)

Problem is that it hasn’t been reported that SFR has DNA in William’s case. If they had, I think there would have been an arrest by now.

I’m thinking more about anomalies in someone’s timeline, a false or retracted alibi, CCTV, phone pings, so far unforthcoming witness statements, etc. Every time there is a movement by SFR that is reported widely in MSM, more information would be coming in to police from members of the public, or even those close to the perpetrator, not to mention the same from any covert operations or hearings that may be occurring that we know nothing about, to add to the intelligence and evidence already held.

If the perpetrator, or someone close to him, thinks they can get away with their crime against William forever, I think they are very much mistaken.

ETA: btw I wouldn’t be surprised if the perp read William’s threads.

 

[iailwa]

Problem is that it hasn’t been reported that SFR has DNA in William’s case. If they had, I think there would have been an arrest by now.

I’m thinking more about anomalies in someone’s timeline, a false or retracted alibi, CCTV, phone pings, so far unforthcoming witness statements, etc. Every time there is a movement by SFR that is reported widely in MSM, more information would be coming in to police from members of the public, or even those close to the perpetrator, not to mention the same from any covert operations or hearings that may be occurring that we know nothing about, to add to the intelligence and evidence already held.

If the perpetrator, or someone close to him, thinks they can get away with their crime against William forever, I think they are very much mistaken.

No reports of DNA liked to William - looking like it for sure. It's a possibility they may find some - if they find him. Usually, if there's an abduction & there's no 'body', there's limited DNA (not all cases of course), until the primary crime scene is found. By primary, i dont mean the yard - that would be secondary. I hope they find the primary scene/s. There may be 2 primary scenes. 1. scene of crime 2. scene of disposal. Sorry those two very touchy things when it comes to William & i hope it's not the case

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I have some questions:

1. How rare is it for young boys to be abducted from their front yards and the perpetrator never to be found?
2. How many times has this happened in our lifetimes?
3. Is this the only time?
4. Who is the person (are the persons) who has/have a proven history of abducting young boys in NSW, if not Australia, after taking them from their front yards?

Many missing children cases where they have disappeared from the front/back yard.
All similar age to William. Mostly US.

I found this on WT Disappearance - Case Discussion.

 

[Bohemian]

Many missing children cases where they have disappeared from the front/back yard.
All similar age to William. Mostly US.

I found this on WT Disappearance - Case Discussion.

Do you have a link FG?

 

[Bohemian]

No reports of DNA liked to William - looking like it for sure. It's a possibility they may find some - if they find him. Usually, if there's an abduction & there's no 'body', there's limited DNA (not all cases of course), until the primary crime scene is found. By primary, i dont mean the yard - that would be secondary. I hope they find the primary scene/s. There may be 2 primary scenes. 1. scene of crime 2. scene of disposal. Sorry those two very touchy things when it comes to William & i hope it's not the case

They are very touchy things and quite rightly so. There are still people who believe William may still be alive. I still have a slim hope, rapidly lessening with each passing day, that somehow William is alive and well, even after the great amount of time that has passed since he disappeared.

In fact, the police thought he was alive when the wrote to the Coroner twelve months after he disappeared and Karlie stated the same in her Sunday Night interview earlier this year.

I suppose we won’t know for sure until MSM reports that a Form P79B (Report of suspected death to the Coroner) has been lodged by police with the Coroner’s office. Once that is done, for me at least, all hope of recovering William alive is lost.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

They are very touchy things and quite rightly so. There are still people who believe William may still be alive. I still have a slim hope, rapidly lessening with each passing day, that somehow William is alive and well, even after the great amount of time that has passed since he disappeared.

In fact, the police thought he was alive when the wrote to the Coroner twelve months after he disappeared and Karlie stated the same in her Sunday Night interview earlier this year.

I suppose we won’t know for sure until MSM reports that a Form P79B (Report of suspected death to the Coroner) has been lodged by police with the Coroner’s office. Once that is done, for me at least, all hope of recovering William alive is lost.

bbm
I don't know, where the little sweetie should be, being well. I can't think of anything. Which possibilities would exist?

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Do you have a link FG?

William Tyrrell Disappearance - Case Discussion

Do you mean this link?