Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[sosocurious]

I think this kind of thing can be pretty much par for the course when detectives are involved in an intensive, long term investigation. Something similar happened between Jubes and his partner during the investigation into the murder of Terry Falconer. Jubes is a polarising figure. It has been said that his fellow investigators either love him or hate him but they don’t doubt his abilities as a detective.

Interesting that this story made it into MSM at all and even more interesting that it reported on compelling witnesses to give evidence. It must be getting to the pointy end of the investigation, when tensions run high.

At least their altercation only involved papers being thrown and a few harsh words. I’m sure they’ll ‘kiss and make up’ and get on with the job of solving William’s case once their tempers cool.

As for the reason for Jubes’ and Lambert’s argument, we might read about it in a book one day

Oh I missed it one witness said they took hold of each other.

 

[CuriousCritter]

Occurred at a briefing session that is work related!

Yes definitely work related, it states in the article it was an argument over the case of William Tyrrell, papers thrown on the ground and the 2 officers took hold of each other.

 

[Bohemian]

Yes definitely work related, it states in the article it was an argument over the case of William Tyrrell, papers thrown on the ground and the 2 officers took hold of each other.

Oh I missed it one witness said they took hold of each other.

Yeah, it also said there were conflicting stories about the incident. The official police line is that it was a verbal disagreement and neither Jubes nor Lambert have made a complaint about the other. I think it’s just a beat up.

That particular reporter also corresponded with Holdom in jail and wrote a tasteless piece about the brutal injuries inflicted on K&K.

 

[sosocurious]

I doubt Jubes would be carrying things around. Probably just a spontaneous spat over BS, like we seem to have here ad infinitum

I’m sure both being boxers and martial artists they’ll be able to regain their self-control, shake hands after a yarn and get back to the business of William’s case. POI’s be damned.

They are probably sipping green tea together already.
Wonder where this more recent search was?

 

[SouthAussie]

The most interesting thing that I got from the article was the line under the video at the top of the page ... Police say bushland search helped but failed to solve William Tyrrell case.

I am glad to see that the search was a help in their aim of bringing the perp to justice and (hopefully) finding William.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[Bohemian]

They are probably sipping green tea together already.
Wonder where this more recent search was?

Yes, they probably are.

The bit about the ‘more recent search’ was intriguing as it seemed like it was intimating that it was at a different site to the ones in June.

Also the bit about compelling witnesses got me. That’s to be expected at an upcoming inquest but it made me wonder if there was another hearing in progress, or slated for, somewhere else. Like the NSWCC perhaps.

 

[SouthAussie]

They are probably sipping green tea together already.
Wonder where this more recent search was?

I don't believe there was a more recent search than the one we already know about. The article refers to that search as the 'more recent search'. It has just taken a little while for this work altercation to find its way to MSM.


It followed a previous three-week search in June involving dozens of police, which was carried out to ensure nothing was missed early in the investigation, and to rule out the chance of accidental death.
The more recent search concluded with a plan to progress the case to the coroner — a technique that can advance cases by using coronial powers to compel witnesses to appear.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[SouthAussie]

Yes, they probably are.

The bit about the ‘more recent search’ was intriguing as it seemed like it was intimating that it was at a different site to the ones in June.

Also the bit about compelling witnesses got me. That’s to be expected at an upcoming inquest but it made me wonder if there was another hearing in progress, or slated for, somewhere else. Like the NSWCC perhaps.

No, I think they are speaking of the June search, Bo.

I also think the 'compelling witnesses to speak' is just par for the course, as that is what happens in any inquest.

However, there is definitely a person or two that I would be happy to see before an inquest, and be compelled to speak or face recriminations.

 

[Bohemian]

No, I think they are speaking of the June search, Bo.

I also think the 'compelling witnesses to speak' is just par for the course, as that is what happens in any inquest.

However, there is definitely a person or two that I would happy to see before an inquest, and be compelled to speak or face recriminations.

Yeah, I think you’re right about the ‘more recent search’ and I thought the same about ‘compelling witnesses to speak’ wrt an inquest.

Like you, and many OP’s, it would give me great pleasure to hear (sometime in the distant future) that a few bad eggs had been hauled before the NSWCC and grilled; not unlike what happened in Daniel’s (ETA: and Tiahleigh’s) case at the CCC. Give ‘em hell boys (and girls). Negotiation is over!

 

[sosocurious]

The most interesting thing that I got from the article was the line under the video at the top of the page ... Police say bushland search helped but failed to solve William Tyrrell case.

I am glad to see that the search was a help in their aim of bringing the perp to justice and (hopefully) finding William.

We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

this ??


involved Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin and the officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert.

 

[Bohemian]

this ??


involved Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin and the officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert.

Nah, I don’t think so. A DS in charge of a DCI? Not happening IMO.

ETA: A DS in charge of such a high profile, intensive investigation such as William’s? Double nah.

 

[SouthAussie]

It would be interesting to see if Lambert is on either Rosann or Ancud taskforces.

The article states that Lambert is the officer in charge of the case (William's case).

The incident, witnessed by several officers with differing versions of the encounter, involved Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin and the officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[SouthAussie]

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involved Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin and the officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert.

Lambert could be in charge of the day to day operations of the case. He is a well-respected and very senior officer, one of the most senior officers on the NSW force.

He would report to Jubelin, no doubt. Jubelin overseeing this case and others, ultimately being the top dawgy and spokesperson.

I believe that Lambert would have to defer to any decisions made by Jubelin, gain his support for anything that steps outside the day to day operations. This, of course, could be bothersome if their opinions differ and Lambert must do or must not do something Jubelin requests.

 

[Bohemian]

The article states that Lambert is the officer in charge of the case (William's case).

The incident, witnessed by several officers with differing versions of the encounter, involved Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin and the officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert.
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

I think ACA must have that arse-about *smh in disbelief*

Any ideas from anyone how it could be as written?

 

[Bohemian]

Lambert could be in charge of the day to day operations of the case. He is a well-respected a very senior officer, one of the most senior officers on the NSW force.

He would report to Jubelin, no doubt. Jubelin overseeing this case and others, ultimately being the top dawgy and spokesperson.

I believe that Lambert would have to defer to any decisions made by Jubelin, gain his support for anything that steps outside the day to day operations. This, of course, could be bothersome if their opinions differ and Lambert must do or must not do something Jubelin requests.

Mebbe. *still shaking head in disbelief*

 

[Bohemian]

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I believe that Lambert would have to defer to any decisions made by Jubelin, gain his support for anything that steps outside the day to day operations. This, of course, could be bothersome if their opinions differ and Lambert must do or must not do something Jubelin requests.

This makes more sense.

 

[SouthAussie]

Mebbe. *still shaking head in disbelief*

I think Jubelin's duties extend further than William's case. I saw something recently about him working or appearing in another case (for the life of me, I can't remember what it was right now).

It is very possible that he has placed someone else in charge of the day to day operations (the leg work) of William's case, with regular operations meetings and other communications between the two of them.

 

[Bohemian]

I think Jubelin's duties extend further than William's case. I saw something recently about him working or appearing in another case (for the life of me, I can't remember what it was right now).

It is very possible that he has placed someone else in charge of the day to day operations (the leg work) of William's case, with regular operations meetings and other communications between the two of them.

Yes, Courtney Topic’s shooting by a police officer.

Yeah, you’re right about the latter. It just dawned on me. Again, need coffee or had too much. Mocha SA?

 

[sosocurious]

I think ACA must have that arse-about *smh in disbelief*

Any ideas from anyone how it could be as written?

None from me.
The DM says

Both inspectors are well-respected within the police force and are known for being tenacious when handling cases.

William Tyrrell clash: Lead detectives 'come to blows' during meeting about missing toddler | Daily Mail Online

 

[SouthAussie]

None from me.
The DM says

Both inspectors are well-respected within the police force and are known for being tenacious when handling cases.

William Tyrrell clash: Lead detectives 'come to blows' during meeting about missing toddler | Daily Mail Online

Makes me wonder if Lambert was not ready for the case to go to the Coroner, but Jubelin has decided that is exactly what will now happen.

They both could be filled with deep disappointment that they have not been able to get the suspect(s) definitively tied down and charged, but Jubelin is known to utilise the coronial system to compel others to speak and try to break things open.
It is time.

JULY 5 - The latest search ends with Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin saying the case could soon go to a coroner.
William Tyrrell clash: Lead detectives 'come to blows' during meeting about missing toddler | Daily Mail Online