Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #36

[purpleandgreen]

What excuses has he offered? An alibi, like everyone else questioned in the case I imagine? A defence in a trial? Or would you like to be saved from other members exploring any other possibilities in aspects of the case related to him? I don't know BS from a bar of soap. I have followed WT's case from day one through the media. When they 1st splashed BS van passing a police search site on the front page of the paper, and all but calling him the suspect without charging him was the day I went looking for a forum that is seriously discussing this case. I also called the paper registering my anger with the editor, who said they had received many calls sharing the exact same sentiment, that the paper was subverting natural justice for the man. So from my own experience it did not pass with a mere raising of the eye brow, but a real concern for civil rights in this country. MOO

I was thinking about this last night. The question is WHY they chose to publish it. Was his the only vehicle that passed by? If so then that would explain why they published it. If not, then the question has to be asked why they chose him. Nothing happens in the world of jounalism by accident. They have a lot of contacts and inside information, so I suspect they had a very good reason for publishing it. For all we know, it could have even been done at the behest of the police to apply pressure to that 'someone who knows something' who Jubes keeps referring to. Or else it might have been a 'hint' for the public.

As for natural justice, I'm far more concerned about natural justice for an innocent little boy stolen from his grandmother's yard, rather than a dreary old washing machine repairman / handyman. And as for indignation that it was published, that reeks to me of guilt, or suspected guilt, after-all, if he has nothing to hide, why should there be any problem with his photo being in the paper. In fact if I was him and innocent, I'd be glad to help to bring publicity to this shocking crime.

 

[Bohemian]

None from me.
The DM says

Both inspectors are well-respected within the police force and are known for being tenacious when handling cases.

William Tyrrell clash: Lead detectives 'come to blows' during meeting about missing toddler | Daily Mail Online

So they’re both DCI’s and Lambert isn’t a DS?

 

[SouthAussie]

So they’re both DCI’s and Lambert isn’t a DS?

The most recent thing I can find about Lambert is "Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Lambert", in April 2013.

NSW Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Lambert - The Ray Hadley Morning Show - Omny.fm


Also, in the DM article it does state ....

The officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert and Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin became involved in an altercation.

Perhaps they should have said 'both detectives' as they have throughout the rest of the article, except that one line where they suddenly say 'both inspectors'. Seems to me that the journo may have made a mistake with that one line.

 

[SouthAussie]

I was thinking about this last night. The question is WHY they chose to publish it. Was his the only vehicle that passed by? If so then that would explain why they published it. If not, then the question has to be asked why they chose him. Nothing happens in the world of jounalism by accident. They have a lot of contacts and inside information, so I suspect they had a very good reason for publishing it. For all we know, it could have even been done at the behest of the police to apply pressure to that 'someone who knows something' who Jubes keeps referring to. Or else it might have been a 'hint' for the public.

RSBM

I would say that they certainly were not expecting Spedding to pass by. The sole published photo is of the rear of the van, as it has passed by the site and is further down the road.

If they were expecting or hoping for his appearance, I think there would have been photos of the front, the side, of the van. They would have been more prepared for a photo of Spedding approaching the search site area, and at least caught the van while it was right in front of them.

Seems to me that someone said ... 'hey, there's Spedding', and quickly grabbed a photo after he had passed by the journos.

 

[purpleandgreen]

RSBM

I would say that they certainly were not expecting Spedding to pass by. The sole published photo is of the rear of the van, as it has passed by the site and is further down the road.

If they were expecting or hoping for his appearance, I think there would have been photos of the front, the side, of the van. They would have been more prepared for a photo of Spedding approaching the search site area, and at least caught the van while it was right in front of them.

Seems to me that someone said ... 'hey, there's Spedding', and quickly grabbed a photo after he had passed by the journos.

Probably right, SA. Just can't understand all of the indignation that the editor copped if people think he's innocent, 'cause if he is, it's a storm in a teacup.

 

[purpleandgreen]

And yet his status remains at POI, whilst 4, or a handful of unnamed suspects have come to light during the most recent searches. Quite a few trees being shaken as it turns out.

And all probably have something in common and are probably even acquaintances. IMO

 

[purpleandgreen]

I would assume you have all heard about the historic and currently unsolved case known as Mr Cruel in Victoria.

I was very disturbed to find the No 2 SUSPECT in that case lived in Lake Cathie in a caravan park up until June 2014 and fled to canada with his canadian wife.

Yes he left before Williams abduction but why did he choose Lake Cathie to flee to from Victoria?

Then the attempted abduction of 6yo boy in Lake Cathie on 5 march 2015 one day after Long Point Trail search.

Too many things getting linked in this area.

BBM

Yes there are. And there's that darn caravan theme. Again!

 

[purpleandgreen]

And possibly the trees have been in the wrong forest all along with the real tree and its sapplings ignored.

And who do you think that tree is, PT?

 

[purpleandgreen]

OK.

I suspect there are more than 1 vexatious persons in Spedding's life, BO. And they probably have a right to be . IMO

 

[Bohemian]

The most recent thing I can find about Lambert is "Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Lambert", in April 2013.

NSW Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Lambert - The Ray Hadley Morning Show - Omny.fm


Also, in the DM article it does state ....

The officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert and Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin became involved in an altercation.

Perhaps they should have said 'both detectives' as they have throughout the rest of the article, except that one line where they suddenly say 'both inspectors'. Seems to me that the journo may have made a mistake with that one line.

I think the reporters have made a few mistakes in those stories. One probably emanated from Friday after-work drinks and the other an even more sensational rip-off of the first. <modsnip>

 

[papertrail]

I suspect there are more than 1 vexatious persons in Spedding's life, BO. And they probably have a right to be . IMO

And equally they might NOT have a right to be!

 

[papertrail]

I think the reporters have made a few mistakes in those stories. One probably emanated from Friday after-work drinks and the other an even more sensational rip-off of the first. <modsnip>

Dont buy that for a nano second.

 

[Bohemian]

I suspect there are more than 1 vexatious persons in Spedding's life, BO. And they probably have a right to be . IMO

Yeah, you’re probably right but would they go to the extent of ripping the ‘S’ off his van, planting a Spiderman figurine in it and various other acts all to do with pet conspiracy theories. I think not. Hoofbeats, horses not zebras.

 

[papertrail]

So, who are we thinking the 5 suspects could be?

Spedding
Jones
Bickford
Nichols
..... ???

None of these names have been DECLARED SUSPECTS by NSW Police
.

 

[Bohemian]

So, who are we thinking the 5 suspects could be?

Spedding
Jones
Bickford
Nichols
..... ???

5. Unpublished/unknown (to us anyway).

 

[Bohemian]

Dont buy that for a nano second.

OK.

 

[SouthAussie]

Probably right, SA. Just can't understand all of the indignation that the editor copped if people think he's innocent, 'cause if he is, it's a storm in a teacup.

There are people in this world that are more interested in civil liberties. Innocent until proven guilty. No trial by media. That kind of thing.
Terry O'Gorman, lawyer, comes to mind. He is very outspoken in criminal trials about things like this - we discovered that prior to Gable Tostee's trial.

Terry O'Gorman - Wikipedia

At times it seems to supercede the bigger concern to many of us, that of laying all things bare in the biggest effort to find a missing boy and apprehend a potential perpetrator of his abduction ... and basic freedom of information.

 

[Bohemian]

There are people in this world that are more interested in civil liberties. Innocent until proven guilty. No trial by media. That kind of thing. Terry O'Gorman, lawyer, comes to mind. He is very outspoken in criminal trials about things like this - we discovered that prior to Gable Tostee's trial.

Terry O'Gorman - Wikipedia

At times it seems to supercede the bigger concern to many of us, that of laying all things bare in the biggest effort to find a missing boy and apprehend a potential perpetrator of his abduction ... and basic freedom of information.

The same-minded people that think that sensitive police investigations should be subject to public scrutiny but persons of interest should have their identities protected? They can’t have it both ways. It’s a matter of weighing up the public good.

ETA: And in this case; William’s interests and those of other vulnerable children. They are my first, and only, priority.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Makes me wonder if Lambert was not ready for the case to go to the Coroner, but Jubelin has decided that is exactly what will now happen.

They both could be filled with deep disappointment that they have not been able to get the suspect(s) definitively tied down and charged, but Jubelin is known to utilise the coronial system to compel others to speak and try to break things open.
It is time.

JULY 5 - The latest search ends with Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin saying the case could soon go to a coroner.
William Tyrrell clash: Lead detectives 'come to blows' during meeting about missing toddler | Daily Mail Online

I wondered something similar, SA. Rustle, rustle, rustle.... that's the noise of the wind in the trees. Never know what it might dislodge.

 

[Bohemian]

Makes me wonder if Lambert was not ready for the case to go to the Coroner, but Jubelin has decided that is exactly what will now happen.

They both could be filled with deep disappointment that they have not been able to get the suspect(s) definitively tied down and charged, but Jubelin is known to utilise the coronial system to compel others to speak and try to break things open.
It is time.

JULY 5 - The latest search ends with Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin saying the case could soon go to a coroner.
William Tyrrell clash: Lead detectives 'come to blows' during meeting about missing toddler | Daily Mail Online

Could have just been a simple ‘stuff up’ by a junior officer. Not pointing any fingers.

Then again, Lambert might have used Jubes’ tea mug and forgot to wash it up