Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[purpleandgreen]

BBM

In NSW what is issued is either a "concern for child" alert ~ or ~ "child abduction" alert.

In Williams case a "concern for child" alert was issued immediately.

It's called an 'Amber Alert' in QLD, FWIW.

 

[SouthAussie]

The additional search site seems to be in this area ... Batar Creek Rd and Cedar Loggers Lane.

Is this where the large woman by a car acting suspiciously was sighted? I wonder if there is a woman in this mix of 5 POIs/suspects? An aider and abettor of some type perhaps?

 

[Bohemian]

The additional search site seems to be in this area ... Batar Creek Rd and Cedar Loggers Lane.

Is this where the large woman by a car acting suspiciously was sighted? I wonder if there is a woman in this mix of 5 POIs/suspects? An aider and abettor of some type perhaps?

From memory, it was that she was seen on Batar Creek Road. I don’t remember a specific location, ie; an intersecting road being mentioned, as it was so long ago. It’s entirely possible that the 5th POI could be a woman. I specifically remember DCI Jubelin saying ‘they could be a man or a woman’ when he spoke about them being connected to, but not necessarily living in, the Port Macquarie area when he spoke to MSM at one stage.

 

[iailwa]

here's an aerial shot. the area searched was around this size - 800 sq metres AFAIK

 

[iailwa]

From memory, it was that she was seen on Batar Creek Road. I don’t remember a specific location, ie; an intersecting road being mentioned, as it was so long ago. It’s entirely possible that the 5th POI could be a woman. I specifically remember DCI Jubelin saying ‘they could be a man or a woman’ when he spoke about them being connected to, but not necessarily living in, the Port Macquarie area when he spoke to MSM at one stage.

I didn't hear about this woman. Was she there around the time they did the search?

 

[Karinna]

Thanks for clarifying about Amber Alert/ Missing child alert.
So in that regard by the time FM notified LE about the cars she remembered seeing there the morning WT went missing, it would seem that LE didn't think the vehicles were of any consequence for 12 mnths. after the fact to notify the public about them.

It's called an 'Amber Alert' in QLD, FWIW.

 

[SouthAussie]

I didn't hear about this woman. Was she there around the time they did the search?

I have been looking and looking for the link ... all I can find is discussion on another forum that says that it was a truck driver at a servo that saw her (doesn't say if the truck driver saw her from the servo or if the truck driver reported it from the servo). The driver thought the large woman at the side of the road was acting suspiciously.

Yes, it was on the first day. The day that William went missing.

Wish I could find the link.

 

[iailwa]

I found a recent article, but no mention of the woman. In this article at the very bottom it mentions the foster parents hopes & dreams, but no mention of Karlie or Brendan.

I find it a coincidence that BF was in the vicinity around the time the search started. He's been cleared i know - heartbreaking to think he was out there looking with a shovel. Can u imagine?

Police hone in on five suspects relating to William Tyrrell’s disappearance

 

[iailwa]

I have been looking and looking for the link ... all I can find is discussion on another forum that says that it was a truck driver at a servo that saw her (doesn't say if the truck driver saw her from the servo or if the truck driver reported it from the servo). The driver thought the large woman at the side of the road was acting suspiciously.

Yes, it was on the first day. The day that William went missing.

Wish I could find the link.

There was a woman at the Caravan park too?? AFAIR but..

 

[iailwa]

Thanks for clarifying about Amber Alert/ Missing child alert.
So in that regard by the time FM notified LE about the cars she remembered seeing there the morning WT went missing, it would seem that LE didn't think the vehicles were of any consequence for 12 mnths. after the fact to notify the public about them.

It could be something they find alarming, & prefer to keep it close to their chest for a while, while investigating?

 

[purpleandgreen]

I have been looking and looking for the link ... all I can find is discussion on another forum that says that it was a truck driver at a servo that saw her (doesn't say if the truck driver saw her from the servo or if the truck driver reported it from the servo). The driver thought the large woman at the side of the road was acting suspiciously.

Yes, it was on the first day. The day that William went missing.

Wish I could find the link.

Very odd, SA. I can't find it either. All I found was mention of a black Camry that had been discounted. I wonder why all links and references to the woman have been removed? The only mention I can find is on another forum where anything goes and the language is disgraceful, and of course they don't need links! So no joy for a link for us there either.

Ref to Camry: Police stop drivers in Kendall as search for William Tyrell, 3, turns up nothing

Edited to add, but I do know we've discussed it several times over the threads, and maybe it was even in the last thread that hbayne brought it back up and we couldn't find it then either.

 

[purpleandgreen]

It could be something they find alarming, & prefer to keep it close to their chest for a while, while investigating?

Exactly, Iailwa, and as we've discussed before, it could be a tool in helping eliminate people. Ie owners of similar cars were able to prove they were somewhere else, as we've previously discussed. Police have a reason for everything. I agree with you.

 

[Bohemian]

Thanks for clarifying about Amber Alert/ Missing child alert.
So in that regard by the time FM notified LE about the cars she remembered seeing there the morning WT went missing, it would seem that LE didn't think the vehicles were of any consequence for 12 mnths. after the fact to notify the public about them.

That may not be true. More like they didn’t decide to release that information to the public, for operational reasons, until 12 months later.

 

[Karinna]

And LE can't know what they don't know either. So it's vital to find any information in the initial investigation to a missing/abducted child IMO. And the public can be very helpful during such an investigation to bring forth information.
LE are only human, and they don't always get it right. They do the best they can with what they have.
Vital clues around the FGM's house could of been lost with everyone walking all over the yard when it was thought that WT could of been out in the bush lost somewhere. The place as far as i know wasn't cordoned off as a crime scene that i can recall?

 

[purpleandgreen]

And LE can't know what they don't know either. So it's vital to find any information in the initial investigation to a missing/abducted child IMO. And the public can be very helpful during such an investigation to bring forth information.
LE are only human, and they don't always get it right. They do the best they can with what they have.
Vital clues around the FGM's house could of been lost with everyone walking all over the yard when it was thought that WT could of been out in the bush lost somewhere. The place as far as i know wasn't cordoned off as a crime scene that i can recall?

But perhaps they do. After all, that's what they're trained to do - find out what they don't know, and are equipped with the knowledge and the tools to do so. If they didn't find out what they didn't know, we'd never have any arrests. IMO

 

[Bohemian]

And LE can't know what they don't know either. So it's vital to find any information in the initial investigation to a missing/abducted child IMO. And the public can be very helpful during such an investigation to bring forth information.
LE are only human, and they don't always get it right. They do the best they can with what they have.
Vital clues around the FGM's house could of been lost with everyone walking all over the yard when it was thought that WT could of been out in the bush lost somewhere. The place as far as i know wasn't cordoned off as a crime scene that i can recall?

We have been over the initial events surrounding William’s suspicious disappearance ad nauseum. It is bringing us no closer to finding out what happened to him. Of course, everyone makes mistakes. In William’s case, it will be up to the Coroner to make recommendations regarding police missing persons operations, depending if that is necessary. I am not about to preempt the Coroner or accuse NSW police officers of being in error. If it makes any difference, I don’t recall the place being cordoned off as a crime scene. As for the amount of people who had walked all over the yard, I couldn’t tell you either. Or if vital clues were lost.

Maybe police would have done things differently had they known for certain, at the outset, that William was not a missing person lost in the bush. Had they known what they now know, that he was abducted, they would have conducted their initial investigation differently. As I said, recommendations wrt those actions are the preserve of the NSW State Coroner; given the facts and not hypotheticals.

 

[Bohemian]

Very odd, SA. I can't find it either. All I found was mention of a black Camry that had been discounted. I wonder why all links and references to the woman have been removed? The only mention I can find is on another forum where anything goes and the language is disgraceful, and of course they don't need links! So no joy for a link for us there either.

Ref to Camry: Police stop drivers in Kendall as search for William Tyrell, 3, turns up nothing

Edited to add, but I do know we've discussed it several times over the threads, and maybe it was even in the last thread that hbayne brought it back up and we couldn't find it then either.

I seem to remember the large woman was seen in the passenger side of a dark car by the truck driver. Whether it was a black Camry I can’t quite recall. I hate it when MSM articles are edited or disappear down ‘memory holes’.

 

[Karinna]

I was referring to what they knew at the outset of WT being found to be missing. Of course as an investigation progresses, they are going to find out more, i think that's pretty self explanatory in missing child and other cases.

But perhaps they do. After all, that's what they're trained to do - find out what they don't know, and are equipped with the knowledge and the tools to do so. If they didn't find out what they didn't know, we'd never have any arrests. IMO

 

[Karinna]

In reference to going over this case 'ad nauseum', yes that is what most are doing here because there really is no new information on the case to date to discuss.
The recent searches we have not much idea on what was found and the suspects/POI who knows whom LE are actually referring to? It's anyone's guess really.

 

[Bohemian]

In reference to going over this case 'ad nauseum', yes that is what most are doing here because there really is no new information on the case to date to discuss.
The recent searches we have not much idea on what was found and the suspects/POI who knows whom LE are actually referring to? It's anyone's guess really.

I agree, there’s not much new information on William’s case to date, apart from that which came from the recent searches, but we are moving away from the initial search and into the final phase where it will go to a Coroner’s inquest or an arrest and trial. We could try to discuss that, I suppose, and be prepared for what is to come, ‘sooner rather than later’; according to DCI Jubelin.