Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[papertrail]

That's certainly worth investigating, but shining a spotlight on an overworked (and maybe dysfunctional) FACS is not the immediate issue at hand for some people.

I'd rather the batteries in that spotlight be used to scour the ground for footprints leaving and entering a particular house in Benaroon Drive.

Why do you say ...entering and leavi ng house? Mmmm

It is extremely important to examine how this fostering process started. How do we trust the people we are supposed to trust do the right thing. How do we know there is no insider FACS or Agency worker involvement?

 

[Bohemian]

That's certainly worth investigating, but shining a spotlight on an overworked (and maybe dysfunctional) FACS is not the immediate issue at hand for some people.

I'd rather the batteries in that spotlight be used to scour the ground for footprints leaving and entering a particular house in Benaroon Drive.

I agree, investigating the processes of any NSW government department where there is evidence of dysfunction is a worthy cause, although not the role of WS. It is best left to concerned NSW voters to agitate on their behalf through the State Ombudsman and relevant members of state parliament.

What is at issue here is William’s suspicious disappearance and possible homicide and, as you say, I would rather the spotlight be shone upon his case and the person or persons responsible. And surely you mean the footprints entering and leaving the yard of a particular house in Benaroon Drive, from where William disappeared.

 

[Thebottomline]

Why do you say ...entering and leavi ng house? Mmmm

It is extremely important to examine how this fostering process started. How do we trust the people we are supposed to trust do the right thing. How do we know there is no insider FACS or Agency worker involvement?

What do you mean papertrail

 

[iailwa]

Very well said! just because someone doesn't possess degrees it doesn't preclude them from possessing high levels of intelligence!

i agree with that, ok so maybe she's very intelligent. I hope so. I take it back, I was making an assumption. Part of the problem huh? I really feel for Karlie, particularly how some articles only mention the foster parents, and don't give her the time of day. I feel sorry for brendan too. I shouldn't have made that assumption - apologies

 

[Truthsleuth99]

I personally think Williams family situation
Has absolutely no bearing on his disappearance, nor would’ve changed anything.
Sometime Bad things happen to good people. The fact this child was in care has no bearing on the situation.... if anything his family history has just distracted the public and created unwanted negative speculation.
When the focus should be a evil person stole a innocent child, not a reason/chance to smear a government agency!

 

[Bohemian]

Deleted.

 

[Eloise]

I personally think Williams family situation
Has absolutely no bearing on his disappearance, nor would’ve changed anything.
Sometime Bad things happen to good people. The fact this child was in care has no bearing on the situation.... if anything his family history has just distracted the public and created unwanted negative speculation.
When the focus should be a evil person stole a innocent child, not a reason/chance to smear a government agency!

There are systemic issues with child protection in this state (as in most places) - lack of funding, recruiting and keeping good staff (quick burnout, stress levels, etc), huge backlogs etc. It's just irrelevant/a side issue to this case. IMO.

 

[Truthsleuth99]

Still

There are systemic issues with child protection in this state (as in most places) - lack of funding, recruiting and keeping good staff (quick burnout, stress levels, etc), huge backlogs etc. It's just irrelevant/a side issue to this case. IMO.

Yes. There’s faults in any organisation...still a distraction from William.
When I think of him, I don’t automatically think. Yes that foster child ... No I think, how dare some steal a baby boy from his family.
That should be the real issue. Not pitting him as the poster boy for a anti FACS campaign like some groups/individuals on SM would have him be.
JMO

 

[CuriousCritter]

Re the Slager child's case no supression due to foster family having no further involvement with fostering and FACS.

It will be interesting to see if Coroner gets involved regarding the lead up to Williams journey into the fostering system and the way his bio family were treated by care Agency. Coroner did not go lightly on the Agency involved re this Slager child's case who had threatened the bio parents if you dont do as we want you to this will occur. How dare they!

This poor darling child was treated woefully by FACS and their Agency and it is blatantly obvious the property he had been placed in was totally and utterly inappropriate. RIP sweet little one.

What I am pleased to know is the same Coroner is now in charge of William's case. Every stone and grain of sand will be inspected for sure. The light will be shone very brightly into the darkest murkiest quagmire.

I believe they would considering he was in state care when he went missing and if they bullied bios and didn't follow correct protocol like in the case of Braxton, then I hope that FACS are held accountable for it.

I just hope the bio parents have a good lawyer and support team to help them thru the process of the inquest, they deserve the same answers as the FP's

 

[SouthAussie]

Still

Yes. There’s faults in any organisation...still a distraction from William.
When I think of him, I don’t automatically think. Yes that foster child ... No I think, how dare some steal a baby boy from his family.
That should be the real issue. Not pitting him as the poster boy for a anti FACS campaign like some groups/individuals on SM would have him be.
JMO

The police definitely agree with you there. And they are not slow to jump on a perpetrator who has done grievous wrong to his/her foster child (eg: Rick Thorburn's part in Tiahleigh's demise).

"We are well aware of William's circumstances," Homicide Squad Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin said.
"It doesn't impact on the investigation, if anything it is a distraction at this stage.
"William was being raised in a loving family environment and it did not play any part in his disappearance."
Police warn toddler William Tyrrell's foster care status not linked to disappearance

As quite a few of us have agreed many times, it is evident that the police 'know' what has happened to William - hence, the 5 major POIs/suspects, the early report to the Coroner about William's disappearance, the appeals over and over again for 'people with knowledge to come forward, don't wait until we come for you' ... and many of us think that statement has been directed at a specific person(s).

We really just have no clue about all the evidence - both actual and circumstantial - that the police hold in this case, but after 4 years I would say that the inclusionary and exclusionary evidence would be substantial. They have not been twiddling their thumbs for all of this time.

 

[CuriousCritter]

I personally think Williams family situation
Has absolutely no bearing on his disappearance, nor would’ve changed anything.
Sometime Bad things happen to good people. The fact this child was in care has no bearing on the situation.... if anything his family history has just distracted the public and created unwanted negative speculation.
When the focus should be a evil person stole a innocent child, not a reason/chance to smear a government agency!

Maybe that evil person who stole an innocent child works within a government agency etc etc...corruption happens and until the case is solved this scenario can't be ruled out, so surely it all would be apart of the inquest

 

[SouthAussie]

I believe they would considering he was in state care when he went missing and if they bullied bios and didn't follow correct protocol like in the case of Braxton, then I hope that FACS are held accountable for it.

I just hope the bio parents have a good lawyer and support team to help them thru the process of the inquest, they deserve the same answers as the FP's

Those are some pretty big statements.

Do you know that the bio parents are not receiving the same police info as the foster parents?

There is absolutely no evidence that the bio parents have been bullied. In fact, they themselves have apparently abducted William in the past ... and still been allowed to visit with William after that.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Still

Yes. There’s faults in any organisation...still a distraction from William.
When I think of him, I don’t automatically think. Yes that foster child ... No I think, how dare some steal a baby boy from his family.
That should be the real issue. Not pitting him as the poster boy for a anti FACS campaign like some groups/individuals on SM would have him be.
JMO

Couldn’t agree more. There should be no place for personal agendas when an innocent little boy is abducted and God knows what else. IMO

 

[CuriousCritter]

Still

Yes. There’s faults in any organisation...still a distraction from William.
When I think of him, I don’t automatically think. Yes that foster child ... No I think, how dare some steal a baby boy from his family.
That should be the real issue. Not pitting him as the poster boy for a anti FACS campaign like some groups/individuals on SM would have him be.
JMO

It got WT'S face and awareness out there via their campaign and that's all that matters...no different for him to be a poster boy for Bravehearts JMO

 

[purpleandgreen]

Maybe that evil person who stole an innocent child works within a government agency etc etc...corruption happens and until the case is solved this scenario can't be ruled out, so surely it all would be apart of the inquest

Oh I’m sure that would’ve been one of the first things ruled out. IMO.

As I said above, abduction of an innocent child shouldn’t be used as a barrow to push personal agendas and grievances. It really saddens me. Where are you, William? Rest assured, you will get justice.

 

[purpleandgreen]

It got WT'S face and awareness out there via their campaign and that's all that matters...no different for him to be a poster boy for Bravehearts JMO

In fact I personally think there’s a huge difference, but that’s JMO. It all comes down to agendas. Hetty’s Agenda is very honourable and honest, as she’s proven time and time again. IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

It got WT'S face and awareness out there via their campaign and that's all that matters...no different for him to be a poster boy for Bravehearts JMO

I guess some people do not question the motivations of a person who has declared themselves to have been in a bad foster care situation themselves (APS).

Bravehearts is a reputable registered organisation who tries to educate the public, train in child protection and risk management, counsel and support affected persons, research, lobby and attempt reform in laws and procedures.

Bravehearts - Australia's Leading Child Protection Organisation

Other unorganised sites are not registered and are finger pointing, blaming, and malicious ... with absolutely no proof to back themselves up. They appear to work in hypotheticals.

JMO

 

[CuriousCritter]

Those are some pretty big statements.

Do you know that the bio parents are not receiving the same police info as the foster parents?

There is absolutely no evidence that the bio parents have been bullied. In fact, they themselves have apparently abducted William in the past ... and still been allowed to visit with William after that.

I said IF and HOPE.

Those visits were mostly likely supurvised, so no threat to WT.

Do you know what the real FACTS are or what FACS were doing/saying into the lead up of the bio's hiding with WT?? I don't because what's been said is all only hearsay via MSM, SM. That's why I said I HOPE that if FACS didn't play nice then it will come out in the inquest.

 

[SouthAussie]

I said IF and HOPE.

Those visits were mostly likely supurvised, so no threat to WT.

Do you know what the real FACTS are or what FACS were doing/saying into the lead up of the bio's hiding with WT?? I don't because what's been said is all only hearsay via MSM, SM. That's why I said I HOPE that if FACS didn't play nice then it will come out in the inquest.

To me, the IFS and HOPES in your post are completely unnecessary when it has been stated again and again and again by the police that "William was being raised in a loving family environment and it did not play any part in his disappearance."

This kind of conversation does not have any place here, so I will now desist in taking part in it.


(I have edited my post because I am not actually offended, just sighing again.)

 

[CuriousCritter]

I take offence at the suggestions in your post, the IFS and HOPES.

They are completely unnecessary when it has been stated again and again and again by the police that "William was being raised in a loving family environment and it did not play any part in his disappearance."

This kind of conversation does not have any place here, so I will now desist in taking part in it.

I have my opinion and you have yours and I respect that.

Yes WT was being cared for in a loving home, by loving fp's.

He may have had lovely visitations with bio parents as well.

WT's status of care may not have had any play in his disappearance either, but it certainly doesn't give people the right to belittle Bio's over and over on this thread either.

I take offence you saying that my conversation has no place here. Isn't this thread about WT?? WT was in care, he is missing, we are talking about the inquest, so why can't I have my opinion on that process just like you.

If WT's care status doesn't belong here, then why does KT's recent court appearances or BC's belong here?? They had no bearing on WT going missing but they were still talked about and belittled in every way possible on this thread