Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #37

[papertrail]

Thanks. I just found my link to the caselaw. The relevant sentence says ...

"HIS HONOUR: The child the subject of these proceedings – whom I shall call Julian – was one of four siblings. Julian was removed from the care of his mother at 7 months’ age because of concerns that he was at risk of harm (associated with domestic violence and drug abuse), and placed with foster carers."

So, if William was taken and hidden by his parents at 8 months old, it would have been no different from a non-custodial parent taking a child from a custodial parent. Typically classed as an abduction. Perhaps my wording was not so incorrect after all.

It would also account for the supervised visitation that was then allowed.

(I haven't linked the caselaw as a mod once asked us not to link it.)

Your argument is relying on what the paternal bio grandmother had stated. And you know that her statement of 8 months is not accurate as per what the caselaw transcript reported as FACT at 7 months.

There was NO 'stealing' or 'abduction' of William by either of his biological parents. He had been secreted in a desperate attempt to delay the process that FACS had obviously commenced. Somewhere I have read that Natalie Collins the paternal bio grandmother had heavy involvement in the secreting supporting with finance and location.

 

[SouthAussie]

Somewhere I have read that Natalie Collins the paternal bio grandmother had heavy involvement in the secreting supporting with finance and location.

So she is said - somewhere - to have had heavy involvement in them stealing William away and hiding him, but is inaccurate about how old William was when that happened?

Big difference between a 4 month old baby (as William spent 3 months in hiding) and an 8 month old baby ... too much difference for her to be confused. imo

Natalie said that William was 8 months old when he was taken and hidden ... so, 11 months old when he was located. FACS had 'removed' him at 7 months old, according to the judge in the caselaw. Sounds, to me, that William was taken and hidden while in the legal custody of FACS.


But when William was eleven months old, the two were spotted in each other's company at a video store in the northwestern Sydney suburb of Ryde, where Karlie's father lived.
When they were discovered, William was taken into foster care with a couple who lived on Sydney's north shore.
Stunning revelations in William Tyrrell case

 

[SouthAussie]

"The offence of child abduction is committed by forcibly depriving the person of his lawful authority over a child.
For this offence to be committed, the victim must be a child. Under the law, for purposes of the offence of child abduction, a child means a child under the age of 12 years.
There is child abduction if a person takes or detains a child with the intention of removing or keeping the child from the lawful control or any person having parental responsibility for the child, without the consent of that person."

(Section 87, Crimes Act 1900)

Child Abduction

 

[iailwa]

I can't keep up, but isn't 'child abduction' a criminal offence? If so, was Karlie, Brandon, or his mum, arrested after secreting him away? I haven't read so but might have missed it....

 

[SouthAussie]

I can't keep up, but isn't 'child abduction' a criminal offence? If so, was Karlie, Brandon, or his mum, arrested after secreting him away? I haven't read so but might have missed it....

Family Law matter. Due to that, I don't think that we could ever find out the answer to that.

 

[Karinna]

With all the confusion that reigns in this case due to the sidewinding by MSM articles etc. i feel a Coronial Inquest would give much clarity to all of us as to what actually transpired exactly that a child in state care came to be missing with no answers as to his fate nearly 4 yrs. later. All IMO

 

[Truthsleuth99]

Didn’t BS have defamation court yesterday ?

 

[purpleandgreen]

With all the confusion that reigns in this case due to the sidewinding by MSM articles etc. i feel a Coronial Inquest would give much clarity to all of us as to what actually transpired exactly that a child in state care came to be missing with no answers as to his fate nearly 4 yrs. later. All IMO

BBM Have been unsuccessfully trying to multiquote Bo's #154.

It show clearly that GJ dismisses the fact that William was in care as having any links to his abduction.

 

[Truthsleuth99]

Last MSM the police were scrambling to get brief ready for inquest. will. happen later this year. Unless an arrest is made before then ? I feel like resolution is near.

 

[purpleandgreen]

Last MSM the police were scrambling to get brief ready for inquest. will. happen later this year. Unless an arrest is made before then ? I feel like resolution is near.

Hope you're right so very much, TS.

 

[Karinna]

Well the Fact that WT was visiting in Kendall had everything to do with his being missing.
That is exactly where he went missing from. So how does the fact he was in State care have nothing to do with it then?

 

[purpleandgreen]

Well the Fact that WT was visiting in Kendall had everything to do with his being missing.
That is exactly where he went missing from. So how does the fact he was in State care have nothing to do with it then?

BBM I guess you'll have to ask Jubes that question, as per links in Bo's posts.

‘Police dispelled any insinuation the foster care status was linked to William's disappearance.

"We are well aware of William's circumstances," Homicide Squad Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin said.

"It doesn't impact on the investigation, if anything it is a distraction at this stage.

"William was being raised in a loving family environment and it did not play any part in his disappearance."’

William was in foster care

Also, I'm just curious if you think William was the target, or whether the perps had been scouring Kendall waiting for an opportunity, ie, Kendall was the target.

 

[SouthAussie]

Last MSM the police were scrambling to get brief ready for inquest. will. happen later this year. Unless an arrest is made before then ? I feel like resolution is near.

Oh, I very much hope so. I cannot imagine the grief and desperation that all of the parents have been feeling during this time. At least with some resolution they can try to go on with their lives, with some specific knowledge of what has happened to little William, while carrying him close in their hearts.

Hopefully, with a nasty perp behind bars, as a final result. And with the uncovering of William's whereabouts.


How long does an inquest last for? Inquests can vary from an hour to many weeks depending on the complexity of the case and the amount of witnesses called to give evidence. Generally, you will be notified of the amount of time the inquest is ‘set down’ for. However, depending on the complexity of evidence, the Coroner may conclude the inquest early or extend the inquest to accommodate further witnesses or evidence.
https://missingpersons.gov.au/sites/default/files/PDF - Publications/NMPCCFS_Coronial_2015.pdf

 

[Wexford]

Where is William?

 

[Karinna]

I agree it's heartbreaking all the way around that William is still missing and whereabouts unknown. I hope it doesn't end up a cold case,

 

[purpleandgreen]

Where is William?

Someone knows, Wexford. Or some people. Bring him home, GJ.

 

[Truthsleuth99]

If it wasn’t William is could of very well been another child of a similar age.
I think it was more the remote location that tempted this perpetrator.. than the actually victim.
It’s like so many other cases we read about.. Wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[Bohemian]

Well the Fact that WT was visiting in Kendall had everything to do with his being missing.
That is exactly where he went missing from. So how does the fact he was in State care have nothing to do with it then?

Does the fact that William had to be taken into the care of FaCS because he was in an environment where there was drug abuse and domestic violence have anything to do with his abduction? No, it does not. There is no causal link between that event, the fact that William was in the care of foster parents and his abduction as far as we know. The cause and the blame apportioned can only be levelled at the perpetrator.

 

[SouthAussie]

If it wasn’t William is could of very well been another child of a similar age.
I think it was more the remote location that tempted this perpetrator.. than the actually victim.
It’s like so many other cases we read about.. Wrong place at the wrong time.

I agree ... an opportunistic abduction by a perp with spontaneous ill intent.

 

[Karinna]

I was merely stating the fact that WT went missing from Kendall and that's just the fact of the matter is all.

Does the fact that William had to be taken into the care of FaCS because he was in an environment where there was drug abuse and domestic violence have anything to do with his abduction? No, it does not. There is no causal link between that event, the fact that William was in the care of foster parents and his abduction. The cause and the blame apportioned can only be levelled at the perpetrator.