Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #38

[JLZ]

I’m confused as to why him and spedding the only two present at directions. Where was anyone else ??

I think lots of us are puzzled about that. Where are the quantities of POIs, at least another three or four, that we've heard about?

 

[Thebottomline]

And the legals cost comes out of his pocket. The video call would be covered by inquest. When he is eventually summonsed to attend accommodation is covered by inquest.

Makes me even more confused ! If he is there to help benefit the case why would he have to pay own legals, that seems unfair

 

[papertrail]

From back in 2014 he had said his accounts of the day. He was one of the first to look. He walked that track everyday, he thought the odd loner moves away because he got scared of the police presence. Hmmmm, is he maybe throwing a bit of shade onto the loner ? Just throwing some ideas about.

I really don't understand the innuendo regarding the socalled loner. There are many people that seek solitude and peace and would be quite disturbed by this terrible event and the continual publicity and presence of tv and media crews and investigators. <modsnip>

 

[SouthAussie]

Makes me even more confused ! If he is there to help benefit the case why would he have to pay own legals, that seems unfair

The legal rep could be just so Spedding's lawyer or anyone else doesn't suddenly turn on Mr Savage with finger-pointing questions.
Mr Savage may have been willing to give evidence without a lawyer, and someone has said "No, you are better off being protected, just in case".

 

[Thebottomline]

I really don't understand the innuendo regarding the socalled loner. There are many people that seek solitude and peace and would be quite disturbed by this terrible event and the continual publicity and presence of tv and media crews and investigators. <modsnip>

I think you’ve misunderstood me or I haven’t been clear. They were not my words they were mr savages. I will try to find the link to help you understand.

 

[Thebottomline]

The legal rep could be just so Spedding's lawyer or anyone else doesn't suddenly turn on Mr Savage with finger-pointing questions.
Mr Savage may have been willing to give evidence without a lawyer, and someone has said "No, you are better off being protected, just in case".

Got it, thankyou

 

[papertrail]

Makes me even more confused ! If he is there to help benefit the case why would he have to pay own legals, that seems unfair

Its a choice whether you have legal backup. He may be fortunate and have a pro bono offer.

There can be quite a lot of grilling at an inquest. Its best to read a few recent coroners inquest cases to get a good understanding.

Legals are there to assist their client through the maze in leadup and actual time of giving evidence. And maybe negotiating suppression of name etc.

 

[papertrail]

I think you’ve misunderstood me or I haven’t been clear. They were not my words they were mr savages. I will try to find the link to help you understand.

Sorry my reply was not pointed at you in particular. There is a lot of innuendo flying around about Mr Savage and the 'loner'. I do understand your point.

 

[papertrail]

I’m confused as to why him and spedding the only two present at directions. Where was anyone else ??

BS presence with legal may be about showing BS's fortitude moving forward from defamation case. I won't be surprised if his testimony is out of public and media view and subject of a suppression application and grant of such.

 

[papertrail]

I think lots of us are puzzled about that. Where are the quantities of POIs, at least another three or four, that we've heard about?

Patience.

 

[Bohemian]

We can see exactly what Mr Savage could see of William’s FGM’s house, from at least one position outside his house, in this shot:


Source:
Fairfax Syndication - NCH WK END MAG. The town of Kendall is still reeling from the disappearance of young boy William Tyrell from his grandma's yard.

 

[deugirtni]

Its a choice whether you have legal backup. He may be fortunate and have a pro bono offer.

There can be quite a lot of grilling at an inquest. Its best to read a few recent coroners inquest cases to get a good understanding.

Legals are there to assist their client through the maze in leadup and actual time of giving evidence. And maybe negotiating suppression of name etc.

Agreed. Some people get legal representation just to fight a parking ticket. I think the prospect of appearing in any capacity in a court or proceeding such as this is very overwhelming to some, and nothing to be considered of interest. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm a little confused that if Mr. Savage was called to appear, why all of the other neighbours weren't called as well. Surely everyone involved right in the very beginning might have information to add to the overall picture of that morning and how it unfolded.

 

[Thebottomline]

I'm a little confused that if Mr. Savage was called to appear, why all of the other neighbours weren't called as well. Surely everyone involved right in the very beginning might have information to add to the overall picture of that morning and how it unfolded.

Me too

 

[JLZ]

For interest:

4. Directions hearing (in some cases):
A directions hearing is a public hearing in a courtroom that the Coroner may choose to hold prior to an inquest in order to decide matters such as:
•the scope of the inquest;
•inquest date/s;
•the final witness list; and
•evidence he or she plans to call.

The Coroner may also set out what else he or she needs in order to complete preparations for the inquest.
Directions hearings are not always held. Families, legal representatives, and other interested parties are
able to attend a directions hearing if desired. You can notify the Court Registry if you wish to receive
notification of a directions hearing.
http://www.coroners.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/Missing persons guide updated Feb 18.pdf

 

[papertrail]

Well, Mr Savage didn't have his legal representation teed up and available yet. He obviously is not as concerned about the investigation and proceedings as Spedding is and has been.

Try telling me if you had been outed by the media as a main poi in a missing child case and you had outed with historic alleged allegations such as occurred with BS and you were summoned to appear before the inquest re missing child that you would not avail yourself of a top flight silk representative?

 

[papertrail]

We can see exactly what Mr Savage could see of William’s FGM’s house, from at least one position outside his house, in this shot:

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Source:
Fairfax Syndication - NCH WK END MAG. The town of Kendall is still reeling from the disappearance of young boy William Tyrell from his grandma's yard.

That is taken from the kerb. My reference was from his house which is way down the valley from there.

 

[papertrail]

I'm a little confused that if Mr. Savage was called to appear, why all of the other neighbours weren't called as well. Surely everyone involved right in the very beginning might have information to add to the overall picture of that morning and how it unfolded.

We dont know they havent been summoned to appear at actual inquest hearing already. As I have indicated previously said witnesses may have settled the process with the Assisting Counsel.

 

[JLZ]

I am confused.
If PS has any significant info. You would think he would have received his letter indicating he was require to turn up ...on and at....

Is he a person of interest or a person with an interest?

It wasn't an occasion for giving evidence. Yes, he would have received a letter, and it appears he got in touch with the court beforehand and explained his circumstances--his lawyer being presently unavailable and whatever his limitations were regarding travelling--and got approval to appear by conference call. If the court had said that wasn't appropriate, he might have had to book a hotel or something. He didn't just wag it.

Further to this I am wondering . . . whether a person who is subpoena-ed to give evidence at the inquest would also be required to attend the directions hearing. Perhaps Mr Savage's attendance/non-attendance at the recent hearing was a matter for him to decide--optional. As he has received leave to "appear" under s57 (as I understand; I don't have an MSM link for that)--that is, not in the sense of being a witness, but as having a right to participate in the examination process--he must have been accepted as having a substantial interest in the proceedings. I infer that he is a suspect or vulnerable to argument that he should be a suspect. Perhaps his taking off uphill to search, and his wife being out, left him without a confirmable alibi. In any case it seems he wanted to be present or have his representative present, but wasn't able to do so, and the conference call was an acceptable compromise. It's quite reasonable that someone with that type of stake would want to be present in some capacity, whether it was required or not.

 

[SouthAussie]

Try telling me if you had been outed by the media as a main poi in a missing child case and you had outed with historic alleged allegations such as occurred with BS and you were summoned to appear before the inquest re missing child that you would not avail yourself of a top flight silk representative?

My point was ... Mr Savage does not appear to feel particularly threatened, as he has apparently not engaged a lawyer from early in the piece, as Spedding did.