Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[sosocurious]

Well DJ has been taken off the case and is no longer a Police Officer. To date DJ has not arrested anyone in relation to Williams disappearance and Williams whereabouts remains a mystery. I think that this could be a turning point in solving this case. A new set of eyes with different priorities maybe just what is needed.

Different priorities - please explain?

 

[they'll get you]

RSBM

Some of us are extremely aware that none of the three cases referenced by our member were Jubes cases from the start.

If any initial stuff up happened, if early evidence was missed, if forensic testing was not done soon enough, if roadblocks were not put up, if people were allowed to roam quite freely, if the correct people were not investigated from the get-go, it cannot be laid at Jubes' feet.

There’s gotta be one chief to 20 Indians.
The experienced chief dishes out the commands and expects the Indians to do their jobs.
Imagine living, breathing and possibly sleeping in close proximity to your workmates to find after 8 long years the murderer was right there, right in front of your grunt’s face and that grunt didn’t do a simple job of interviewing and checking the murders car.

Yeah, my bloody oath I’d be a bully as well with many expletives.
Knowing there is a mother and father out there crying every night not knowing what happened to their little boy.

A devoted cop would take that personally.

Daniel Morcombe inquest finds police failed to prioritise investigation into child sex offender

 

[sleepinoz]

It seems to me that a lot of members on this site are making lots of excuses for Jube’s behaviour. I find that hard to understand because I thought that the whole point about this site was to discuss and try to determine what happened to William. My comments still stand, maybe new fresh eyes will be good for the case. Time will tell.

And a lot of members are condemning him prior to the results of the inquiry. No excuses, just fairness - you know - innocent until proven guilty.

My comments stand as well.

You want new eyes, you have them in the Coroner. No need to disparage a long serving Police Office until the outcome of the inquiry. IMO.

 

[they'll get you]

It seems to me that a lot of members on this site are making lots of excuses for Jube’s behaviour. I find that hard to understand because I thought that the whole point about this site was to discuss and try to determine what happened to William. My comments still stand, maybe new fresh eyes will be good for the case. Time will tell.

We are yet to see what his ‘behaviour’ is. I’m happy to wait and see and I’m not going to kick a brilliant cop while he’s down.

I can’t help but stand shoulder to shoulder with our devoted coppers. I know and love several retired cops with PTSD who can only talk about some of their experiences as they would worry about how the stories would affect me.
Imagine living the horror every day and every night on your own.

A devoted cop would bend some rules to get a perp, wouldn’t you knowing the murderer or pedophile is standing right in front of you laughing in your face and all you can do is call him ‘sir’.

That’s why I’d never be good enough to be a cop.

 

[louisepiglet]

And a lot of members are condemning him prior to the results of the inquiry.

My comments stand as well.

You want new eyes, you have them in the Coroner. No need to disparage a long serving Police Office until the outcome of the inquiry. IMO.

No excuses, just fairness - you know - innocent until proven guilty.

No excuses, just fairness - you know - innocent until proven guilty.
Shouldn't this be applied to all that are accused of a crime.

 

[sleepinoz]

No excuses, just fairness - you know - innocent until proven guilty.

No excuses, just fairness - you know - innocent until proven guilty.
Shouldn't this be applied to all that are accused of a crime.

Yes, but then opinions differ don't they?

My response was to you 'opinion', I have one as well.

 

[louisepiglet]

Yes, but then opinions differ don't they?

My response was to you 'opinion', I have one as well.

Opinions do differ but someone should not be treated as guilty because of an opinion. Facts matter. In all cases.

 

[they'll get you]

Has anyone here taped a conversation?

I have.

The recording was not legal but the transcript of the exact conversation was.
It was against a pedophile working with children who was ‘dating’ one of his 14 year olds.

I’d do it again.

 

[SouthAussie]

Has anyone here taped a conversation?

I have.

The recording was not legal but the transcript of the exact conversation was.
It was against a pedophile working with children who was ‘dating’ one of his 14 year olds.

I’d do it again.

Good on you, tgy. I'd do it, too - in a millisecond if it was about someone harming a child.

 

[sleepinoz]

Opinions do differ but someone should not be treated as guilty because of an opinion. Facts matter. In all cases.

I agree, and that is what you are doing IMO. Treating GJ as guilty.

I said I believe BS is guilty, I didn't state that he was. You seem to be stating your opinion as fact IMO. eg. calling his cases as shambles etc, which is incorrect according to any information we have.

I think at this point we need to agree to disagree, and stop disrespecting people.

 

[purpleandgreen]

It seems to me that a lot of members on this site are making lots of excuses for Jube’s behaviour. I find that hard to understand because I thought that the whole point about this site was to discuss and try to determine what happened to William. My comments still stand, maybe new fresh eyes will be good for the case. Time will tell.

Yes. Let’s focus on William and put our prejudices against good cops aside. IMO.

 

[Warshawski]

TGY - this is not a direct question for you, rather, merely piggy-backing off your post.

"Police have not drawn the positive conclusion that a known relative or associate was not involved in William's disappearance," Mr Craddock said.

Seventy-four per cent of children who are abducted and murdered by strangers are killed within three hours of being abducted, the court heard.

But "William is not a statistic", Mr Craddock warned, and the court makes decisions based on evidence.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...he-vanished-inquest-told-20190324-p51739.html

And this makes me wonder... again, if the IMMEDIATE parents (bio or foster) have been cleared, as per Jubelin, does this bring us back to NC's associates as we have discussed previously?

Additionally, the "William is not a statistic" quote from Craddock makes me wonder what he means. Is he not a statistic because he is still presumed to be alive, or not been abducted by a stranger, or he has died and it was not within the three hours? Is Craddock warning people to not write William off as dead? To not dismiss or trivialise his disappearance?

I wish there was some kind of Q&A session we could do with the Coroner, I feel like there are so many cryptic statements being made (but they are probably erring on the side of caution I guess).

I so agree & I commend you Freddy for your shared thoughts. So many comments etc from this initial stage of the inquest have left me with more questions ( drew a caution on the asking ) so I thank you for articulating so much more clearly

My prayers continue to be for William, for his safety / salvation & also for his family who need & deserve answers

 

[sosocurious]

Who do you think those new set of eyes should be trained upon d52? Anyone in particular? Or do you think the second part of the inquest will be another fishing expedition with no whoppers caught like the first?

GJ was very clear. The fc's and bp's cleared. He said he interviewed them himself.
So why is the bgm still spitting?

BGM did not mince her words when asked what she thought about Detective Chief Inspector Gary Jubelin being stood down from the investigation into William's disappearance, amid allegations of misconduct.

'He makes me so angry', bgm said on Friday from her home on the NSW mid north coast.

'He's treated William's BM and BF like they don't matter, and they do (matter).'

She said she has never met Detective Jubelin, nor has she ever spoken to him, which she claims has added to her 'torment' during the time William has been missing.

'I know he speaks to the FC's all the time and he keeps them informed with the investigation. But he's my grandson and I get told nothing.'

'The whole thing, the whole scenario disgusts me,' She said of not being kept informed.

Matthew Leveson's parents throw support behind lead detective dropped from William Tyrrell case | Daily Mail Online

Who was her informant?
I wonder how much effort she made to get in contact with Jube's?

 

[papertrail]

Jubes would be like a dog with a bone and if he were hear one of his officers were lazy on not following up with a suspect or not interviewing a POI why wouldn’t he be hopping mad!
To speak sternly to anyone these days is a form of bloody bullying.
Imagine finding that the murderer was not interviewed or his vehicle searched in the early stages.


Here.

Daniel Morcombe inquest finds police failed to prioritise investigation into child sex offender


Coroner says more could have been done to focus on Brett Peter Cowan, who is now serving life sentence for Daniel’s murder
“I agree with the submissions from family and counsel assisting that more could have been done to focus on Mr Cowan in the early stages of the investigation,” Ryan said on Friday. “[That is] particularly having regard to his admissions that placed him at the scene of Daniel’s disappearance, the gaps in his alibi and the specific nature of his offending history.”

Taking DNA from Cowan’s car, in which Daniel was killed, “should have been prioritised and the subject of much earlier examination”.
Former police officer Dennis Martyn told the inquest he told the then head of the homicide squad, Mike Condon, it was Cowan but was told to “**** off”. Condon denied the conversation ever took place.

Ryan said the immediate police response that treated Daniel’s disappearance as a teenage runaway should not have happened but was “not inappropriate” in terms of policy at the time.

Daniel Morcombe inquest finds police failed to prioritise investigation into child sex offender

And that was the junior officer Martyn telling the senior officer Condon. Wonder if that scenario was at play with Lambert and Jubelin?

 

[Warshawski]

TGY - this is not a direct question for you, rather, merely piggy-backing off your post.

"Police have not drawn the positive conclusion that a known relative or associate was not involved in William's disappearance," Mr Craddock said.

Seventy-four per cent of children who are abducted and murdered by strangers are killed within three hours of being abducted, the court heard.

But "William is not a statistic", Mr Craddock warned, and the court makes decisions based on evidence.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...he-vanished-inquest-told-20190324-p51739.html

And this makes me wonder... again, if the IMMEDIATE parents (bio or foster) have been cleared, as per Jubelin, does this bring us back to NC's associates as we have discussed previously?

Additionally, the "William is not a statistic" quote from Craddock makes me wonder what he means. Is he not a statistic because he is still presumed to be alive, or not been abducted by a stranger, or he has died and it was not within the three hours? Is Craddock warning people to not write William off as dead? To not dismiss or trivialise his disappearance?

I wish there was some kind of Q&A session we could do with the Coroner, I feel like there are so many cryptic statements being made (but they are probably erring on the side of caution I guess).

I so agree & I commend you Freddy for your shared thoughts. So many comments etc from this initial stage of the inquest have left me with more questions ( drew a caution on the asking ) so I thank you for articulating so much more clearly

 

[papertrail]

I wish we could find an actual search warrant ... see if it contains a part that says "I swear and affirm this". Or if a covering affidavit is required.

Though, I think all this fuss might be as JLZ theorised .. yet-unproven allegations by a lawyer on behalf of their POI client.

The link I posted yesterday indicated the falsifying affivadits allegation came from within police not from a lawyer or his client.

 

[SouthAussie]

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Let's hope that the 2nd round of the inquest provides more answers and clues.

 

[they'll get you]

Has there been an arrest?

Sadly no.

 

[Warshawski]

Allegations of bullying, recording without warrant and falsifying affidavits...as in plural as the media article had the word affidavits and physical altercation with a person under his command...are on the high end of extremely serious.

The timing of his removal from the Rosann Taskforce is also a critical pointer just how serious the allegations are considered by the leadership of NSW Police . The allegations affected the credibility of his leadership ultimately the credibility of the Rosann Taskforce.

The allegations also raise thoughts for me as to what processes more junior officers were permitted to do that were not within strict legal guidelines.

He was obviously removed to remove his influence and direct involvement with the Coronial process for a reason.

I also consider if these allegations had not been raised and actions taken as they have been what would have been the affect on a future prosecution or successful prosecution.

Just imagine if a perpetrator was able to walk free and justice for William never prevailed.

It is all about dear sweet William and what happened to him. Nothing else matters to me. No person matters. No person's disappointment matters.

No person in my mind is cleared until a successful prosecution is obtained with no chance of the prosecution being quashed.

Hi Paper Trail, I certainly admire your passion & conviction that suggests to me an abhorrence for anything 'positively' related to Det Jubelin. .. even if I struggle to understand.

Likewise I endorse your thoughts for William & the desire to see justice for him ... justice has no boundaries in my mind either, and I doubt there'd be many on here who'd disagree.
This is a forum for William, and for any information, big or small, that may perhaps provide some missing pieces in the puzzle .. . I don't see this a a forum to beat up on the Cops or any other formal investigating bodies, as I'm pretty sure that's well covered at a different level.
That's My Opinion.

 

[sosocurious]

Let's hope that the 2nd round of the inquest provides more answers and clues.

Let's hope there are answers.


Officer-in-charge Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw was also in court.

The Herald understands that Chief Inspector Laidlaw plans to accompany the 26 homicide investigators examining William's disappearance in a visit to Kendall before the inquest resumes in August.

'Someone knows more': police seek clues in William Tyrrell mystery

Wonder if and when this is going to happen?