Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[frogwell]

There is nothing in the article that sounds unusual to me, either.

Jubes would have been trying to eliminate POIs one by one as normal.
First eliminating the FF, as stated, then somewhere along the line trying to eliminate Spedding, then later trying to eliminate Savage.

Of course, there would many others in between who would have been eliminated as POIs (including the BP).
Perhaps the persons mentioned were the 'biggest' ones to look at by the person in charge of the investigation. Start at home and then work outwards, the way all/most investigations are conducted.

BBM
I would agree start at home and then work outwards. The article states that the FFC and the MFC were "never considered suspects". I hope the inquest clarifies that point. Obviously they were interviewed and gave statements. What lengths were taken to investigate them to clear them? I would have thought initially, by the 1st afternoon of WT's disappearance, when police contacted police in Port Macquarie that they felt something more sinister had happened to WT, they would have been scrutinised to the hilt, because police know statistically to to investigate the people closest and the last to see a missing person, 1st.

To access the article, type,
William Tyrrell inquest to grill axed detective over his ‘methods’

 

[kiwi50]

Points
* Jubelin will be called as a witness at the inquest
* He will be questioned by counsel for various poi's. Some keen to cross examine him about his methods.
* He will be questioned about his intense focus on one time poi BS, ahead of other possible leads.
* All historical charges laid against BS have been dismissed or dropped and he is considering taking action for malicious prosecution.
* The ffc has never been considered suspects. Nor has the mfc who told police he was absent from the house at the time of the disappearance.
* Jubelin focused his attention on local man PS. Both PS and BS have denied any involvement.
* Tension between detectives on the case reached boiling point when 2 officers had a physical confrontation about where resources were going.
* It is understood he is accused of recording a conversation with PS without a warrant.

NoCookies | The Australian
William Tyrrell inquest to grill axed detective over his ‘method

They cant have it both ways, thought one of the complaints was that Jubelin focused on one particular poi, it seems he moved on to another one as well.

 

[JLZ]

IMO that article is a bit over the top. GJ would have to be called as a witness anyway, and it would be natural for other legal reps to question him.

There were a number of points I hadn't seen stated by MSM before. That Jubelin will be a witness. That it was PS he's accused of recording without a warrant. That PS is a suspect. That all historical charges against Spedding have been dropped or dismissed.

 

[JLZ]

Anyone with an ounce of empathy would do except, of course, the person who took his son.

Something wrong with me then. My thought on reading Candace's article was that we'd all been thinking BF fell apart because his son had been abducted and probably murdered, but no, it was because he, BF, felt rejected. Ms Cadfael's comment about screaming under water gave me pause. But most people who suffer intensely, even for the loss of a child, do it without the attention of the nation and MSM.

 

[SouthAussie]

I am kinda glad The Australian has published the article. Some time ago, I saw a Google preview that seemed to indicate that Savage had been recorded (the article was in relation to the illegal recordings) but the actual article had removed those words, no mention of Savage in the article at all.

I didn't want to put that preview here, at the time, because the words had been removed from the article. But I hung onto my screenshot.

 

[Bohemian]

Something wrong with me then. My thought on reading Candace's article was that we'd all been thinking BF fell apart because his son had been abducted and probably murdered, but no, it was because he, BF, felt rejected. Ms Cadfael's comment about screaming under water gave me pause. But most people who suffer intensely, even for the loss of a child, do it without the attention of the nation and MSM.

I hadn’t thought about it that way. I suppose it’s a possibility. The focus is understandable given the make up of his entourage.

 

[frogwell]

Something wrong with me then. My thought on reading Candace's article was that we'd all been thinking BF fell apart because his son had been abducted and probably murdered, but no, it was because he, BF, felt rejected. Ms Cadfael's comment about screaming under water gave me pause. But most people who suffer intensely, even for the loss of a child, do it without the attention of the nation and MSM.

I thought "rejected" from being able to participate in the search, "rejected" from being able to represent WT as his child that is missing, "rejected" by other people who are not related being known by his BM's name. (the last one is deeply cutting and insulting) Basically being made by FaCs and the police, persona non grata in own son's missing persons case. IMO

 

[papertrail]

Link please. How can you state here that as fact to be ptivvy to Mfc messages

Because I have a direct copy of the messages I know them to be fact.

 

[SouthAussie]

BBM
I would agree start at home and then work outwards. The article states that the FFC and the MFC were "never considered suspects". I hope the inquest clarifies that point. Obviously they were interviewed and gave statements. What lengths were taken to investigate them to clear them? I would have thought initially, by the 1st afternoon of WT's disappearance, when police contacted police in Port Macquarie that they felt something more sinister had happened to WT, they would have been scrutinised to the hilt, because police know statistically to to investigate the people closest and the last to see a missing person, 1st.

To access the article, type,
William Tyrrell inquest to grill axed detective over his ‘methods’

I think they were scrutinised pretty heavily. It was mentioned in the podcast, by Lia Harris, that police had reviewed the CCTV of them at McDonalds along the way to FGMs place. The family spent about 15 minutes there.
I personally think that police have covered all bases, as much as they possibly can.

The sequence seems logical to me, in any investigation. Follow up on the FP movements, follow up with the BP, then move onto others who may have been in the vicinity on that morning .... Spedding as he could have dropped in 'at any time' to put the new part in the washing machine, according to FGM .... Savage because he took his morning walks almost every day.

 

[papertrail]

The post was in reply to another poster. Please see their post for context.

You did not supply the link to the other message as only BBM showed. I am interested to know what message you replied to.

 

[Bohemian]

You did not supply the link to the other message as only BBM showed. I am interested to know what message you replied to.

Read back in the thread prior to my reply to the OP. I’m sure you’ll find it.

 

[sleepinoz]

Because I have a direct copy of the messages I know them to be fact.

So you are referring to a FB post?

 

[papertrail]

I thought "rejected" from being able to participate in the search, "rejected" from being able to represent WT as his child that is missing, "rejected" by other people who are not related being known by his BM's name. (the last one is deeply cutting and insulting) Basically being made by FaCs and the police, persona non grata in own son's missing persons case. IMO

Agree wholeheartedly and would like to add feeling rejected totally because of continual reference by foster family CARERS and media continually referring to William as their 'son', their 'boy' and MFC as William's 'father'.

None of these references from my perspective are accurate. William was still legally 'in care'.

It would be very distressing for both biological parents.

William's biological mother was even reprimanded by the Coroner during her testimony for mentioning her daughter's name against suppression orders.

I could never imagine being put through what both of William's parents are living each and every day. They certainly each love him dearly.

 

[papertrail]

So you are referring to a FB post?

I have not said that. What I have has names of individuals which cannot be posted due to legal requirements, suppression orders and privacy issues.

 

[SouthAussie]

I have not said that. What I have has names of individuals which cannot be posted due to legal requirements, suppression orders and privacy issues.

Papertrail, your original post about what you have seen referred to 'messages' IIRC.

Perhaps it is time to drop it now?

Messages posted to MFC from a male friend show MFC was not security conscious prior to the abduction.

 

[sleepinoz]

I have not said that.

I realise that, that's why I was asking if you were referring to a particular FB post. Do you have other information that can be linked?

 

[papertrail]

Read back in the thread prior to my reply to the OP. I’m sure you’ll find it.

If I was able to find it I would not be requesting the information from you. Please provide the information requested.

 

[Bohemian]

If I was able to find it I would not be requesting the information from you. Please provide the information requested.

Reading back in the thread is too time-consuming.

 

[papertrail]

Reading back in the thread is too time-consuming.

Not helpful but thats ok. Was just interested in what you had to say and the relevance.

 

[papertrail]

I realise that, that's why I was asking if you were referring to a particular FB post. Do you have other information that can be linked?

The information was not obtained through sleuthing foster family. I do not have a Facebook account. The information was in a public domain.

I did not raise the security issue to be against MFC. What it does show is his naive attitude to security issues at the time. He was advised of hacking and rego plate tracking possibilities. A very real possibility in the background and preparation by perps involved in the disappearance of William.

IMO