Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #41

[SouthAussie]

Another thing that I think is worth mentioning, this was not the first time that the FP had fostered children. They had completed shorter term placement(s) before.
They were hoping for long term placements - they seem committed to raising a family - which is why (I believe) that William's sister and William were placed with them.
FACS had already deemed William's sister a long term placement, in the Minister's care until 18 years old, prior to her living with the FP.
Within months after William was removed, he was also deemed a long term placement.

 

[Thebottomline]

Another thing that I think is worth mentioning, this was not the first time that the FP had fostered children. They had completed shorter term placement(s) before.
They were hoping for long term placements - they seem committed to raising a family - which is why (I believe) that William's sister and William were placed with them.
FACS had already deemed William's sister a long term placement, in the Minister's care until 18 years old, prior to her living with the FP.
Within months after William was removed, he was also deemed a long term placement.

Thanks SA, I wasn’t aware they’d fostered before.

 

[Bohemian]

Thanks for the précis of the latest episode of the podcast, SA. It will come in handy for future reference.

 

[SouthAussie]

Thanks SA, I wasn’t aware they’d fostered before.

Yes, they had fostered "a number" of children in short term care, according to the podcast (at around the 8min mark).

Also, the FP got a call one day in 2012 saying that they had been chosen to care for a 9 month baby boy and a 2 year old girl. William's sister had already been removed from the BP and William was about to be removed.

I also made a mistake before - now that I have relistened to the podcast - it was William who told his BM that she was his birth mum, not William's sister who said that (at around the 24:45min mark). I guess it was William who may have been asking normal 3 year old's questions ... why? what? why?

Anyway, the next episode will be about the first days of the search. Sounds as if the background has been stated.
The first episode where they spoke of the FP actions, the trip to Kendall, the stops along the way, the CCTV checking by the police that they were all at McDonalds when they said they were.
This next episode where they went into where the BP were at the time when William disappeared. Presumably all checked out and confirmed as well.

 

[Bohemian]

A (very) little about the latest episode of the podcast here:

William Tyrrell's foster parents speak out in bombshell new podcast | Daily Mail Online

 

[mussopossum]

I have yet to listen to the podcast however I wonder why the podcast has come about.

Was it due to the FP wanting to give a detailed history on William leading up to, including and after his disappearance?

Was it something that they were suggested to do as another tactic by the strike force handling the case to maybe let who is / are involved in his disappearance sweat it that they are closer to an arrest?

Was it just due to the inquest starting next month and some discussion from the FP leading up to the inquest?

 

[papertrail]

I have yet to listen to the podcast however I wonder why the podcast has come about.

Was it due to the FP wanting to give a detailed history on William leading up to, including and after his disappearance?

Was it something that they were suggested to do as another tactic by the strike force handling the case to maybe let who is / are involved in his disappearance sweat it that they are closer to an arrest?

Was it just due to the inquest starting next month and some discussion from the FP leading up to the inquest?

Or is it just a matter of clickbait earning dollars for Ten?

 

[sosocurious]

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[sosocurious]

Or is it just a matter of clickbait earning dollars for Ten?

But the media blackout around them has unintentionally fed rabid conspiracy theories on social media by people unwilling to digest the legitimate legal reasons for it.

Ms Grahame said "public interest" around the case must have made grieving the loss of the boy harder for his loved ones.

The tension and tragedy of William Tyrrell

“(It) has added to mine and my family’s distress over the years, not being able to speak out freely about who we are and what role we played in William’s life.

Tragic life of missing boy’s father

It is a shame the bio family never got back to Ten and a spoke in the podcast.
imo

 

[SouthAussie]

I have yet to listen to the podcast however I wonder why the podcast has come about.

Was it due to the FP wanting to give a detailed history on William leading up to, including and after his disappearance?

Was it something that they were suggested to do as another tactic by the strike force handling the case to maybe let who is / are involved in his disappearance sweat it that they are closer to an arrest?

Was it just due to the inquest starting next month and some discussion from the FP leading up to the inquest?

I think the FP want to get their story out there, as much as they can. They have been completely gagged, other than the police televised interview.
It must be terrible to have had barbs thrown at them - while they are grieving - maybe they feel strong enough now to take this small but gracious stand.

Plus, it gets even more word out about William. Which is what they want. They want him found. They have said that they will never give up.

There is a malicious abductor out there who is a continued threat to children. It is about time that people focused on that.
If finally hearing the story helps people to lay off the BP and FP, then it is a good thing. imo

 

[papertrail]

But the media blackout around them has unintentionally fed rabid conspiracy theories on social media by people unwilling to digest the legitimate legal reasons for it.

Ms Grahame said "public interest" around the case must have made grieving the loss of the boy harder for his loved ones.

The tension and tragedy of William Tyrrell

“(It) has added to mine and my family’s distress over the years, not being able to speak out freely about who we are and what role we played in William’s life.

Tragic life of missing boy’s father

It is a shame the bio family never got back to Ten and a spoke in the podcast.
imo

I doubt the bio family or their legal advisors would consider it appropriate to participate in a podcast involving the foster carers as there currently is no outcome to the Coronial Inquest and sweet William was in their care after all.

 

[SouthAussie]

But the media blackout around them has unintentionally fed rabid conspiracy theories on social media by people unwilling to digest the legitimate legal reasons for it.

Ms Grahame said "public interest" around the case must have made grieving the loss of the boy harder for his loved ones.

The tension and tragedy of William Tyrrell

“(It) has added to mine and my family’s distress over the years, not being able to speak out freely about who we are and what role we played in William’s life.

Tragic life of missing boy’s father

It is a shame the bio family never got back to Ten and a spoke in the podcast.
imo

I dont know, soso. For a long time I have wished they would all work together on this.
Focus on what is important, continually getting word out about William, keeping the public alert.

People are a strong force when they work together.

It is so refreshing to see in the missing Theo Hayez case that everybody is working together. No blame, no accusations. Just everybody trying to find out what has happened to Theo - from Australia all the way to Belgium.
Everybody searching. Everybody trying to keep it in the media, both here and in Belgium. As time slips by, and days and days pass with no Theo.

 

[frogwell]

Some points of interest for me in the podcast were
- The FP's changed from short term carers to wanting to be long term carers, which indicates to me that they wanted to make more permanent bonds with children coming into their care. That they desired a family. I imagine that when you become a short term carer, you would have a certain mind set about how to connect with a child in your care.
- When WT and his sister came into their care, WT had short term order and his sister had long term orders. They were aware that the bio family did not want to hand over WT. I thought I understood from the podcast that even though WT's parents had absconded with him, the department were keeping the FP's abreast of developments until he came into their care. After a week, WT's sister was also placed with the FP's. I wonder why she had not been put in a long term placement with another family before then, there are many people who want to raise an infant.
- WT's care orders changed to long term although the parents say they were doing everything they could to get the children back. The professional explained on the podcast that to make the decision to change the orders to long term is an individual, complex decision. One of the factors that can change the orders is if the child develops bonds in the new environment.
- The FFC says in the podcast that they never wanted to replace the biological parents, they respected, upheld and knew the importance of that link for the children. They started having discussions about adoption of the children before WT went missing. There appears to have been a care plan at least initiated by the line of questioning at the inquest.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/b8d02d8e-bd0a-4e98-85cf-b09cb6c2dc16/19437_1.pdf.aspx?inline=true

The above document is an interesting read to give an idea of the climate, adoption considerations were being made in 2014.

 

[mussopossum]

Or is it just a matter of clickbait earning dollars for Ten?

I always missed the most obvious point dont I lol good point made

 

[Thebottomline]

I doubt the bio family or their legal advisors would consider it appropriate to participate in a podcast involving the foster carers as there currently is no outcome to the Coronial Inquest and sweet William was in their care after all.

Didn’t the bf say he wasn’t legally represented and trying to get legal aid ?

 

[frogwell]

Some points of interest for me in the podcast were
- The FP's changed from short term carers to wanting to be long term carers, which indicates to me that they wanted to make more permanent bonds with children coming into their care. That they desired a family. I imagine that when you become a short term carer, you would have a certain mind set about how to connect with a child in your care.
- When WT and his sister came into their care, WT had short term order and his sister had long term orders. They were aware that the bio family did not want to hand over WT. I thought I understood from the podcast that even though WT's parents had absconded with him, the department were keeping the FP's abreast of developments until he came into their care. After a week, WT's sister was also placed with the FP's. I wonder why she had not been put in a long term placement with another family before then, there are many people who want to raise an infant.
- WT's care orders changed to long term although the parents say they were doing everything they could to get the children back. The professional explained on the podcast that to make the decision to change the orders to long term is an individual, complex decision. One of the factors that can change the orders is if the child develops bonds in the new environment.
- The FFC says in the podcast that they never wanted to replace the biological parents, they respected, upheld and knew the importance of that link for the children. They started having discussions about adoption of the children before WT went missing. There appears to have been a care plan at least initiated by the line of questioning at the inquest.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/b8d02d8e-bd0a-4e98-85cf-b09cb6c2dc16/19437_1.pdf.aspx?inline=true

The above document is an interesting read to give an idea of the climate, adoption considerations were being made in 2014.

... and just adding onto this post, the number of adoptions have increased since 2015, with predominantly "known" adoptions leading the charge, and in the last 2 years an increase in sibling groups being adopted. Known adoptions are usually by foster carers and step parents. This increase nationally is due to policy changes introduced by the NSW govt. in April 2014.

 

[SouthAussie]

Didn’t the bf say he wasn’t legally represented and trying to get legal aid ?

Yes, his letter did indicate that - and I believe the Legal Aid was for representation at the inquest.


The biological father is applying for legal aid so he, like all other parties including William’s foster parents, the Salvation Army, and the NSW Government, can be legally represented.
Tragic life of missing boy’s father

 

[Thebottomline]

... and just adding onto this post, the number of adoptions have increased since 2015, with predominantly "known" adoptions leading the charge, and in the last 2 years an increase in sibling groups being adopted. Known adoptions are usually by foster carers and step parents. This increase nationally is due to policy changes introduced by the NSW govt. in April 2014.

Sorry didn’t mean to hit rely

 

[sleepinoz]

Some points of interest for me in the podcast were
- The FP's changed from short term carers to wanting to be long term carers, which indicates to me that they wanted to make more permanent bonds with children coming into their care. That they desired a family. I imagine that when you become a short term carer, you would have a certain mind set about how to connect with a child in your care.
- When WT and his sister came into their care, WT had short term order and his sister had long term orders. They were aware that the bio family did not want to hand over WT. I thought I understood from the podcast that even though WT's parents had absconded with him, the department were keeping the FP's abreast of developments until he came into their care. After a week, WT's sister was also placed with the FP's. I wonder why she had not been put in a long term placement with another family before then, there are many people who want to raise an infant.
- WT's care orders changed to long term although the parents say they were doing everything they could to get the children back. The professional explained on the podcast that to make the decision to change the orders to long term is an individual, complex decision. One of the factors that can change the orders is if the child develops bonds in the new environment.
- The FFC says in the podcast that they never wanted to replace the biological parents, they respected, upheld and knew the importance of that link for the children. They started having discussions about adoption of the children before WT went missing. There appears to have been a care plan at least initiated by the line of questioning at the inquest.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/b8d02d8e-bd0a-4e98-85cf-b09cb6c2dc16/19437_1.pdf.aspx?inline=true

The above document is an interesting read to give an idea of the climate, adoption considerations were being made in 2014.

I think you will find that the Childrens Court changed the care order and the FP wouldn't have applied. Once William was put into care there would be a hearing and the Judge would make that decision. It's not something that people that foster can apply for, it's up to a Judge based on FACS reports. Even though that is what they wanted, they don't get to make the decision.

According to the podcast the FCer's made an 'informal inquiry' about adoption, well why not, they were to have the children until they were 18 according to all reports.

An 'Open Adoption" as it is in NSW is -

"Open adoption recognises there is often a benefit for children when both their families (birth and adoptive) remain in contact with each other after an adoption order has been made."

What are the benefits of open adoption
Major benefits of openness in adoption for the child is that it provides them with opportunities to:

• understand their background
• develop relationships with their birth parents, siblings and other people who are important to the child
• assist them in their understanding of their identity i.e. who they are and where they came from
• remove the ‘unknown’ about who their birth parents and siblings are, and why they have some of the physical characteristics, interests and talents they have.

This can give the child a sense of wholeness and help the child grow up with added security about themselves and their background.

What is open adoption

They weren't trying to replace the Bio's, IMO they were trying to take on the responsibility and care of the children that would be in their care for many years to come.

 

[sosocurious]

Some points of interest for me in the podcast were
- The FP's changed from short term carers to wanting to be long term carers, which indicates to me that they wanted to make more permanent bonds with children coming into their care. That they desired a family. I imagine that when you become a short term carer, you would have a certain mind set about how to connect with a child in your care.
- When WT and his sister came into their care, WT had short term order and his sister had long term orders. They were aware that the bio family did not want to hand over WT. I thought I understood from the podcast that even though WT's parents had absconded with him, the department were keeping the FP's abreast of developments until he came into their care. After a week, WT's sister was also placed with the FP's. I wonder why she had not been put in a long term placement with another family before then, there are many people who want to raise an infant.
- WT's care orders changed to long term although the parents say they were doing everything they could to get the children back. The professional explained on the podcast that to make the decision to change the orders to long term is an individual, complex decision. One of the factors that can change the orders is if the child develops bonds in the new environment.
- The FFC says in the podcast that they never wanted to replace the biological parents, they respected, upheld and knew the importance of that link for the children. They started having discussions about adoption of the children before WT went missing. There appears to have been a care plan at least initiated by the line of questioning at the inquest.

https://www.aihw.gov.au/getmedia/b8d02d8e-bd0a-4e98-85cf-b09cb6c2dc16/19437_1.pdf.aspx?inline=true

The above document is an interesting read to give an idea of the climate, adoption considerations were being made in 2014.

What is the time frame that parents are given to do all that is required for their children to be restored?
When were William sister's long term care orders actually made? It was said that William's sister had been in various foster care situations. How many?
Could the long term care orders have been made a very short time before William's sister was placed with the intended long term fc's? With the view that if restoration was not possible that in Williams best interest he was already placed in a home with his sister? Either way their significant relationship and attachment encouraged and supported.
They were having informal conversations about adoption.
Long term foster carers can make a choice to offer guardianship (sole parental responsibility) or pursue formal adoption.