Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #45

[SouthAussie]

Wow this is the most detailed description I’ve come across so far about the lady and the black car. He mentions well-built and blonde, which is consistent with Mr Chapman’s evidence, but he says she had a black top and black shorts. What was it that concerned this truckie about the lady? I remember reading somewhere that she looked distressed, is that true?

I just want to mention something else to consider about the black car ....


One driver who was pulled over at the police road block on Friday told officers about a black Camry that a truck driver had noticed in the area several times last Friday.
It is believed the information had already been canvassed by police and discounted.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...up-nothing-20140919-10j9tj.html#ixzz3l1LkAGZo

 

[Puggle]

Carry on from Slouths article..from rs (son) He says his father was due to go to William’s grandmother’s house on the day William disappeared, to fix her washing machine, but “he went to an award ceremony at the school, where one of the boys was getting an award, so he ended up GOING THERE (award ceremony) rather than going out on that day to William’s grandmother’s”. He says his father told him that he phoned the grandmother to say he would not be coming to fix the washing machine.....did he ph,i think he stated he rung and couldnt get fg....so he had planned to go in the morning..WHY if part wasnt there till the afternoon and 2nd part on Friday??.....ms did ask abt will from clairvoyant according to collin......All i can see is bs should be suing his family

RS should be called as a witness.
He stated WS was due to go to the house on the day William Dissapeared. This contradicts whats coming out in the Coronial Inquiry.
Did his Dad tell him this?
If he did, then it flies in the face of what has now been claimed.

Also if a witness comes out with a case blowing mighting claim of say seeing the missing in a car.
Surely even with upstanding citizenship their relationships to POI or friendship to close friend of a POI (Darts) should be looked into further.
Yes???


And then there's the recent search.
Does the affronted POI know someone who worked (in 2014)... at the lumber yard...and the answer is yes.

Well I'd say the investigators are just doing their job.

 

[bfew]

NoCookies | The Australian

Time-stamp doubts over William photo

2 Sep 2019

 

[Puggle]

Is it only 2 witnesses to collaborate WS alibi at the school assembly???
Pathetic!!!

I'm not implying any guilt but surely the inquest can do better than one witness stating the song hallelujah was sung that day and the only other person being a person who was a previous FB friend of WS (not after william went missing).

How easy would it be to say - ok..just say you saw me the day they sang Hellelujiah.

Not saying that happened.

They need more witnesses....surely a woman in pain was noticed, with a sympathetic partner in tow??.

 

[they'll get you]

NoCookies | The Australian

Thanx bfew, this is all I could retrieve as it’s behind a paywall.

Time-stamp doubts over photo of William
The NSW Coroner has ordered an urgent forensic examination of the last-known photograph of William Tyrrell

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The NSW Coroner has ordered an urgent forensic examination of the last known photograph of William Tyrrell, dressed in his Spider-Man suit.

The Australian understands an expert in photographic metadata has been called in after NSW police admitted to confusion as to when the widely circulated image was taken. The photograph is a crucial piece of evidence, because it provides what is known as “proof of life” for William on the day of his disappearance on the NSW mid-north coast.

The inquest into his likely death has been told the image was taken on the verandah of the house at Benaroon Drive, Kendall, where he was staying when he went missing, on the morning of September 12, 2014. Counsel assisting the Coroner, Gerard Craddock SC, said in his opening statement the photograph was taken at 9.37am, adding: “That is a time of which we can be certain.”

But a new document from the 2000-page brief of evidence reveals a “created time” for the image of 7.39am, and a “corrected time” of 9.37am, and police have been unable to explain the confusion.

The report, obtained by The Australian, was generated by X-Ways forensic software. It reveals the image is a .jpg created on a digital camera, and it says: “Created: 12/09/2014 07:39:54. Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44.”
NoCookies | The Australian

 

[Puggle]

If you were also related to someone who worked at Herons creek timber yard...

I'd be really questioning weather litigation for compensation was the way to move forward.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

In William’s case, the window has been set between 9.37am, when the last photograph was taken, and 10.57am, when his foster mother called triple-0.

The confusion has prompted deputy state coroner Harriet Grahame, to tell the court it “needs to be investigated”. As it stands, the inquest has been told that William, his older sister and his foster parents arrived in Kendall at 9pm on the evening before William disappeared.

No one other than the immediate family — foster mother, foster father, and the foster mother’s mother — saw the children arrive, so the photograph provides the essential “proof of life” for William on the morning of September 12.

The inquest has been told that the foster father left the house about 9am to travel to a nearby town to make a Skype call, and pick up a script. The foster mother and her mother stayed at the house with the children, making cups of tea, rolling dice, and playing with crayons. The foster mother has said she took the photograph of William in his Spider-Man suit on the verandah.
NoCookies | The Australian

 

[kiwi50]

NoCookies | The Australian

This is a really old article ... from 2015... but quite extensive and takes the reader back to the beginning.... and I found it is a useful refresher...

One thing to note is that BS mate Col actually said in the interview, that “the Spedding’s had coffee AFTER the the assembly” ....????

Some interesting and insightful thoughts by Jubes...

Also lists the names of Detectives.... working long hours on the case... that have not yet been called to give evidence... ones that were there at the beginning ...

Enjoy reading if you find it useful to go back... if not just ignore... as I’m sure most of you have read it before...

It was good to read that article again.

I feel gutted for Jubelin, he really did devote the last five years to solving the case. I dont think he left a stone unturned, all the things we have learned recently from the the inquesthe has known them for years, I’d be surprised if he learned anything new.

I think he deserved to stay on the case, I dont see the case being solved ever.

 

[mussopossum]

Wow this is the most detailed description I’ve come across so far about the lady and the black car. He mentions well-built and blonde, which is consistent with Mr Chapman’s evidence, but he says she had a black top and black shorts. What was it that concerned this truckie about the lady? I remember reading somewhere that she looked distressed, is that true?

I didnt really understand any connection to William TBH. The lady just sounded like she didn't know if she was coming or going.

She may have had some bad news or was upset and just couldn't get herself together and drive where she wanted to.... I have been there.

Interested to hear others thoughts as I cant really see a connection here to William but who knows could have been more to it that hasnt been disclosed.

 

[mussopossum]

Pro bono, I imagine it will be settled out of court, he will pay all bills, including Medicare, travel, legals and he might be lucky to pocket $100,000.
Unless it is ruled the Govt. pay costs.

If he is innocent & wasn’t even there, it’s been a horrendous ride & I think he does deserve some compensation.

If you are compensated then any Govt. money like Medicare will be returned. That can be psychologists, medications and any assessments for proof of mental anguish due to the incident.
IMO.

But if he doesn't win I mean.

There is still a chance he may not.

Something could be dug up by police to argue the fact and if he loses, I guess he pays a whole lot more.

 

[mussopossum]

View attachment 201505
The NSW Coroner has ordered an urgent forensic examination of the last known photograph of William Tyrrell, dressed in his Spider-Man suit.

The Australian understands an expert in photographic metadata has been called in after NSW police admitted to confusion as to when the widely circulated image was taken. The photograph is a crucial piece of evidence, because it provides what is known as “proof of life” for William on the day of his disappearance on the NSW mid-north coast.

The inquest into his likely death has been told the image was taken on the verandah of the house at Benaroon Drive, Kendall, where he was staying when he went missing, on the morning of September 12, 2014. Counsel assisting the Coroner, Gerard Craddock SC, said in his opening statement the photograph was taken at 9.37am, adding: “That is a time of which we can be certain.”

But a new document from the 2000-page brief of evidence reveals a “created time” for the image of 7.39am, and a “corrected time” of 9.37am, and police have been unable to explain the confusion.

The report, obtained by The Australian, was generated by X-Ways forensic software. It reveals the image is a .jpg created on a digital camera, and it says: “Created: 12/09/2014 07:39:54. Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44.”
NoCookies | The Australian

But a new document from the 2000-page brief of evidence reveals a “created time” for the image of 7.39am, and a “corrected time” of 9.37am, and police have been unable to explain the confusion.

The report, obtained by The Australian, was generated by X-Ways forensic software. It reveals the image is a .jpg created on a digital camera, and it says: “Created: 12/09/2014 07:39:54. Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44.”

Just wow. I am looking very much forward to hearing more about this. Is anyone here good with this stuff?

 

[SouthAussie]

In William’s case, the window has been set between 9.37am, when the last photograph was taken, and 10.57am, when his foster mother called triple-0.

The confusion has prompted deputy state coroner Harriet Grahame, to tell the court it “needs to be investigated”. As it stands, the inquest has been told that William, his older sister and his foster parents arrived in Kendall at 9pm on the evening before William disappeared.

No one other than the immediate family — foster mother, foster father, and the foster mother’s mother — saw the children arrive, so the photograph provides the essential “proof of life” for William on the morning of September 12.

The inquest has been told that the foster father left the house about 9am to travel to a nearby town to make a Skype call, and pick up a script. The foster mother and her mother stayed at the house with the children, making cups of tea, rolling dice, and playing with crayons. The foster mother has said she took the photograph of William in his Spider-Man suit on the verandah.
NoCookies | The Australian

Interesting ... but it is not really confusing when a time stamp is 'corrected' on a photo. I can see that the Coroner would want it verified though by a phone expert, as an essential part of the inquest.

I take kabillions of photos on my phone. I also edit a lot of photos on my phone - generally cropping them to take out something in the background, or to pull the subject closer, or to intensify the colours, whatever. The phone then shows a corrected time/date for the photo. Not everyone knows that.
Sitting down for a cup of tea would be an understandable time to flick through photos and edit whatever a person wants to edit. Most people who do it can edit a photo in seconds/one minute. And I seriously do it often.

I think when the police contact the phone manufacturer for closer investigation, this is what they will find. Has FM ever said what time she took the photo? I don't believe I have ever seen that. Just that she took it that morning.

Also, there are at least a couple of witnesses who heard the children playing well after 7:39am.


The elderly man told the inquest before William went missing he'd sat on his veranda with toast and tea between 9am and 9.30am and could hear children playing.
Neighbour's conversation with grandma after William Tyrrell's disappearance

Around this time (9am), Judy Wilson, whose property was just metres from William's grandmother's yard, heard the two children playing before she took off to run errands in town.
The day William Tyrrell vanished

 

[Deleted member 161976]

View attachment 201505
The NSW Coroner has ordered an urgent forensic examination of the last known photograph of William Tyrrell, dressed in his Spider-Man suit.

The Australian understands an expert in photographic metadata has been called in after NSW police admitted to confusion as to when the widely circulated image was taken. The photograph is a crucial piece of evidence, because it provides what is known as “proof of life” for William on the day of his disappearance on the NSW mid-north coast.

The inquest into his likely death has been told the image was taken on the verandah of the house at Benaroon Drive, Kendall, where he was staying when he went missing, on the morning of September 12, 2014. Counsel assisting the Coroner, Gerard Craddock SC, said in his opening statement the photograph was taken at 9.37am, adding: “That is a time of which we can be certain.”

But a new document from the 2000-page brief of evidence reveals a “created time” for the image of 7.39am, and a “corrected time” of 9.37am, and police have been unable to explain the confusion.

The report, obtained by The Australian, was generated by X-Ways forensic software. It reveals the image is a .jpg created on a digital camera, and it says: “Created: 12/09/2014 07:39:54. Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44.”
NoCookies | The Australian

It could be the date and time settings on the digital camera were incorrect when the photo was taken and when the camera was connected to a computer to import the photo the date/time taken was corrected to correspond with the date time on the computer which is usually correct as the operating system updates it. IMO.

 

[CuriousCritter]

It reveals the image is a .jpg created on a digital camera,

Thought it was always said FM pulled her phone out and snapped a few pics...now it is a camera.

Also the times neighbours heard children playing were around the same time FD was still at the home...nothing said about children playing by any neighbours after FD had left apart from PS but how can he be sure an exact time when he heard the children, it was just sometime between 9 - 9.30. FD was already running late and left sometime just after 9am. How can that time be 100% verified apart from what the FM has stated.

People have always said that it looked like William was roaring at someone else in that photo and not the FM. Also many people have said about a reflection of someone standing in the laundry window and then we have the position of the Sun....So will be very very interesting of what comes out of the famous last photo of poor William

Time-stamp doubts over photo of William

 

[SouthAussie]

Just want to mention, too, that the way a phone expert can verify if the photo was edited is to dig into the depths of the phone and find the original photo (it should be buried in there somewhere ... perhaps also auto uploaded to the cloud) and see if the 'corrected' time-stamped photo is an edited version after the photo was first taken. By comparing the two photos.

 

[SouthAussie]

It reveals the image is a .jpg created on a digital camera,

Thought it was always said FM pulled her phone out and snapped a few pics...now it is a camera.

Also the times neighbours heard children playing were around the same time FD was still at the home...nothing said about children playing by any neighbours after FD had left apart from PS but how can he be sure an exact time when he heard the children, it was just sometime between 9 - 9.30. FD was already running late and left sometime just after 9am. How can that time be 100% verified apart from what the FM has stated.

People have always said that it looked like William was roaring at someone else in that photo and not the FM. Also many people have said about a reflection of someone standing in the laundry window and then we have the position of the Sun....So will be very very interesting of what comes out of the famous last photo of poor William

Time-stamp doubts over photo of William

The camera in a person's phone is a digital camera, just a simpler version.

 

[katydid23]

It reveals the image is a .jpg created on a digital camera,
Thought it was always said FM pulled her phone out and snapped a few pics...now it is a camera.
Also the times neighbours heard children playing were around the same time FD was still at the home...nothing said about children playing by any neighbours after FD had left apart from PS but how can he be sure an exact time when he heard the children, it was just sometime between 9 - 9.30. FD was already running late and left sometime just after 9am. How can that time be 100% verified apart from what the FM has stated.

People have always said that it looked like William was roaring at someone else in that photo and not the FM. Also many people have said about a reflection of someone standing in the laundry window and then we have the position of the Sun....So will be very very interesting of what comes out of the famous last photo of poor William

Time-stamp doubts over photo of William

I think FD's time of leaving can be corroborated by his cell phone pings. Hopefully they did so.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think FD's time of leaving can be corroborated by his cell phone pings. Hopefully they did so.

They have already verified the time of his Skype call and its location. As well as verifying the time of his prescription pick-up.

They may even have seen his vehicle on CCTV, leaving the area at the appropriate time.

 

[Deleted member 161976]

And His trip to the chemist/pharmacist was verified.

I think FD's time of leaving can be corroborated by his cell phone pings. Hopefully they did so.