Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #45

[Freddo Frog]

Another model is the troop carrier style has the back seats that run north to south (like the old style landrover). I am not sure if I have ever seen a beige troopy though. I think they are always white?

I was under the impression they were all white, too, but it turns out they came in beige, and I even found an olive colored one.

Land Cruiser Troop Carrier - Bing images

 

[Freddo Frog]

Surely a reanactment of the speeding cars was done to see how possible Mr Chapman’s vision would have been that day. Wouldn’t be hard. Could use a dummy with a Spider-Man suit .

Good thinking. They did it for Karen Ristevski.

 

[Freddo Frog]

deleted: already asked and answered.

 

[interested64]

Everybody seemed very vague about the assembly. Even the two witnesses that took the inquest stand. Yet Spedding said the (parent) numbers were down on that day, parents just scattered among the (inside) seats that were there.

I know the walkthrough was some months later, but apparently both Spedding and his wife were interviewed one week after William went missing. One would think their recall would have been much stronger at that point.

I wonder if the walkthrough and the interview details were the same. And I wonder if Hallelujah was sung at more than one assembly. "They started with the school song, they sang Hallelujah .... "

They have left parts out..dam it..i would also ms seemed annoyed for being asked Q to help find a 3.5 yr old boy..but id Mr Chapman is 100% sure he had seen William then i cant work bs and ms out..

 

[drsleuth]

I should add..........

Mr Craddock said yesterday at the start of the day " I should note for the record, Spedding's home was searched & there was nothing found in anyway to connect William Spedding to the disappearance of William Tyrrell"

 

[mussopossum]

Call crimestopper. Phone Wendy Hudson direct, knock on her door. There must have been police in his street in the days following.
The only strikeforce member we have heard from is a sex crime Detective that joined Rosann in September 2015.
Nup, I cannot believe police were not aware of this before March/April which coincidently is when the search was happening out near Bonny Hills and BS was being arrested for historical charges. If nothing else Mr Chapman has not changed his story to fit with media releases. Which PS seems to have done.
imo

Exactly.

There just is no logical reason that someone would not report something so serious. I asked my friend about the police using regression etc to try and recollect any of the details of what he saw that day. He said they don't really do it here anymore and even if they did it wouldn't stand up in court as evidence.

I wonder if he himself thought of doing this though

(bearbear, sorry for some reason your original quote on something else ended up in my other post and was in error)

 

[stormyseas]

I should add..........

Mr Craddock said yesterday at the start of the day " I should note for the record, Spedding's home was searched & there was nothing found in anyway to connect William Spedding to the disappearance of William Tyrrell"

Hmm.. it’s interesting an apparent effort was made to let BS know he was off the hook. And yet, if that’s the case, why was he even called to testify? Why was his testimony apparently cut short? IMO

 

[mussopossum]

Category: | The Courier Mail
Has anyone watched this yet?
Highlight of the inquest for me being able to watch Jubelin for 40 mins!
What stood out for me was that Spedding “knew” so much more about the Assembly than MS.

Margaret was very vague on a lot of things, could be a good tactic, would make it look like she couldnt possibly have filled BS on in anything if she couldnt remember much!
Lol he remembered where they sat but she didn't
Loved some of the questions the detectives asked BS.

Surprised how few people were at the assembly. Hard to miss someone that day.

And Bill is so calm in this video. seems to be pretty cool calm and collected in what he is saying. His body language etc does give me any porky pie lies type of feeling. Seems pretty legit.

And Jubes. Oh Jubes. He just lights up every screen

 

[mussopossum]

About 4 hours Kendall to Sydney and police turned up late afternoon, 4:00 if I remember, or might have been 4:30. So I think it's doable, but problematic if you consider that William would have had to have been deposited somewhere in addition. Not to mention remaining hidden ever since, and I'm sure the birth parents' subsequent movements would have been monitored.

Ah my bad thought it was only a couple hours after the turned up there.

 

[drsleuth]

Hmm.. it’s interesting an apparent effort was made to let BS know he was off the hook. And yet, if that’s the case, why was he even called to testify? Why was his testimony apparently cut short? IMO

His testimony wasn't cut short, it just didn't take as long as they thought maybe? There was no x examination by anybody.

 

[mussopossum]

I would be pissed off if he got a reward. If anything, he should be fined for not reporting that sighting immediately and to the right people.

Going to a social club and 'mentioning' the sighting, to an officer's sister in law is a pathetic attempt to save a vulnerable child's life. JMO

And didn't he go there to seek out this particular officer to tell? Because knew them? But the sister or whatever was there and asked to pass the details on?

Why could he not do the same thing at the station with the police?

 

[katydid23]

And didn't he go there to seek out this particular officer to tell? Because knew them? But the sister or whatever was there and asked to pass the details on?

Why could he not do the same thing at the station with the police?

What really bothers me is that he was surrounded by people urgently searching for this sweet boy. People hiking the brush, knocking on every door, looking in septic tanks and garbage bins, tracking down known sex offenders....and yet this man swears that he knows, 100%, where and when lil Will was driven away, and he doesn't even walk up the road and notify any authorities. It boggles the mind, really.

And worse than that, IF he had given that car description and time it passed him by, they could have spread out and watched all the local cctv footage, and likely seen where that car traveled, if it stopped and transferred him, etc.

But now all of that info is lost. Grrrrr....The families must be devastated to learn of this.

 

[mussopossum]

Wasnt sure if this has been posted?

I really am surprised at how detailed his description of this woman is including a white short sleeve blouse.

What does the "His face wassort of in between mean"?

“It was a woman (driver). She was almost off the tar. In the back seat was a young boy with his hands up on the window … his face was sort of in between.”

NoCookies | The Australian

NSW police took almost 1000 days to conduct a formal, recorded interview with the man who may be the only credible witness to the likely abduction of William Tyrrell.

William’s family, who cannot be named, sat thunderstruck in the public gallery yesterday as Kendall resident Ronald Keith Chapman told the NSW Coroner’s Court he was “100 per cent certain” he had seen William, in his Spider-Man suit, standing in the back of a car being driven erratically down the street, on the morning of the boy’s disappearance.

He said William was unrestrained, had his hands to the glass and was peering out.
He said the driver was a woman aged in her mid-20s to mid-30s with blonde hair piled into a bun on the top of her head.

“Do you think in fact you saw William Tyrrell?” counsel assisting, Gerard Craddock, asked.

“I do, yes,” Mr Chapman replied.

[...]


Ron Chapman. Picture: John Feder
William’s grandmother, who cannot be named, wept as she listened to Mr Chapman, who is now 80, try to explain why he didn’t immediately tell police what he had seen.

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[Thebottomline]

Good thinking. They did it for Karen Ristevski.

Thanks , I think it’s very relevant

 

[Thebottomline]

Have just watched the walk through of Spedding’s , gosh Jubelin is a good investigator. I wonder why this has been released to the public. Must be a reason media have been given reason to release. IMO not convincing at all.

 

[Seabreeze1]

It doesn't sit right with me that a woman would abduct William at random. If that was to be the case it would make more sense that it was done by family or someone known to family. Regardless of being nervous in case he was wrong, Chapman should have contacted police that very day not three bloody years later!

 

[Thebottomline]

Wasnt sure if this has been posted?

I really am surprised at how detailed his description of this woman is including a white short sleeve blouse.

What does the "His face wassort of in between mean"?

“It was a woman (driver). She was almost off the tar. In the back seat was a young boy with his hands up on the window … his face was sort of in between.”

NoCookies | The Australian

NSW police took almost 1000 days to conduct a formal, recorded interview with the man who may be the only credible witness to the likely abduction of William Tyrrell.

William’s family, who cannot be named, sat thunderstruck in the public gallery yesterday as Kendall resident Ronald Keith Chapman told the NSW Coroner’s Court he was “100 per cent certain” he had seen William, in his Spider-Man suit, standing in the back of a car being driven erratically down the street, on the morning of the boy’s disappearance.

He said William was unrestrained, had his hands to the glass and was peering out.
He said the driver was a woman aged in her mid-20s to mid-30s with blonde hair piled into a bun on the top of her head.

“Do you think in fact you saw William Tyrrell?” counsel assisting, Gerard Craddock, asked.

“I do, yes,” Mr Chapman replied.

[...]


Ron Chapman. Picture: John Feder
William’s grandmother, who cannot be named, wept as she listened to Mr Chapman, who is now 80, try to explain why he didn’t immediately tell police what he had seen.

<modsnip: snipped to comply with 10% copyright rule>

Hence my question about a re-enactment of the events that day in Laurel drive.

 

[stormyseas]

If

The sighting of William in the car is real what involvement “”could” BS have in it? If he tipped someone off there’d be phone records?

I’m thinking someone who knows of William in some way has taken him. The location is too remote and random for weirdo child abductors to be lurking on the off chance there.

Hypothetically the two scenarios could be linked. If it was a planned abduction, a tradesman (who could explain away his presence if necessary) could have been organised to abduct William from FGM’s home. A meeting place then organised where a fawn-coloured 4wd would receive William.. would explain the time lapse between assumed time of abduction and sighting by Mr Chapman at 10.45am. The 2 degrees of separation between certain families has always bothered me and seemed like such an unlikely coincidence. IMO

 

[Thebottomline]

I’m going back to the K.I.S.S theory.

 

[SouthAussie]

What does it mean that O’Brien officially withdrew? Does that mean he is not representing BS any longer?

A lawyer can withdraw from an inquest due to conflict of interest.

Say, if O'Brien was representing Spedding and also representing Margaret (I am not sure if that is the case).

A lawyer can only really represent one party in an inquest. I think that if he was seen to be giving Margaret advice, it may have been seen as representing her - whether in an official capacity or not.


Coroners, like other judicial officers, have a duty to maintain the integrity of the court’s process. If a coroner is satisfied that a conflict of interest has emerged, he or she should require the lawyer to withdraw and, if necessary, give his or her clients an adjournment in which to seek fresh representation.

The option of allowing the lawyer to elect is not open because once he or she has taken instructions from the two persons whose interests conflict, he or she has privileged information relating to the person he or she no longer represents.
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