Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #45

[Specialk72]

Hypothetically the two scenarios could be linked. If it was a planned abduction, a tradesman (who could explain away his presence if necessary) could have been organised to abduct William from FGM’s home. A meeting place then organised where a fawn-coloured 4wd would receive William.. would explain the time lapse between assumed time of abduction and sighting by Mr Chapman at 10.45am. The 2 degrees of separation between certain families has always bothered me and seemed like such an unlikely coincidence. IMO

Hadn’t thought of that.

 

[sosocurious]

A lawyer can withdraw from an inquest due to conflict of interest.

Say, if O'Brien was representing Spedding and also representing Margaret (I am not sure if that is the case).

A lawyer can only really represent one party in an inquest. I think that if he was seen to be giving Margaret advice, it may have been seen as representing her - whether in an official capacity or not.


Coroners, like other judicial officers, have a duty to maintain the integrity of the court’s process. If a coroner is satisfied that a conflict of interest has emerged, he or she should require the lawyer to withdraw and, if necessary, give his or her clients an adjournment in which to seek fresh representation.

The option of allowing the lawyer to elect is not open because once he or she has taken instructions from the two persons whose interests conflict, he or she has privileged information relating to the person he or she no longer represents.
Coronial matters

I wonder if MS was represented.

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder if MS was represented.

I have been looking through MSM articles to see if she was represented. I hope so. Otherwise it could possibly be seen as inappropriate for Peter O'Brien to be consulting with her witness husband and herself, another witness. imo

That is, if Peter O'Brien and/or his staff consulted with Spedding in her presence.

 

[madoodi]

Hmm.. it’s interesting an apparent effort was made to let BS know he was off the hook. And yet, if that’s the case, why was he even called to testify? Why was his testimony apparently cut short? IMO

This is MOO but perhaps with all the media focus on BS, the actual perpetrator(s) would have felt less pressure or off the hook. Now with them on more than one occasion insinuating that BS is not involved, this could now make the perpetrator(s) start to worry or buckle under the pressure...
JMO

 

[sosocurious]

This is MOO but perhaps with all the media focus on BS, the actual perpetrator(s) would have felt less pressure or off the hook. Now with them on more than one occasion insinuating that BS is not involved, this could now make the perpetrator(s) start to worry or buckle under the pressure...
JMO

The media focus was not just on BS. There were a few in the spotlight over the years. The links are amazing.

 

[madoodi]

The media focus was not just on BS. There were a few in the spotlight over the years. The links are amazing.

My response was related particularly to BS in reply to Stormyseas' post.
But yes the links are amazing.

 

[Jael]

Wasn't BM a blonde back in 2012?
If you Google her image one comes up with brown hair in a top bun and it looks like a bow like clip in her hair. I could be wrong.

 

[stormyseas]

Hypothetically the two scenarios could be linked. If it was a planned abduction, a tradesman (who could explain away his presence if necessary) could have been organised to abduct William from FGM’s home. A meeting place then organised where a fawn-coloured 4wd would receive William.. would explain the time lapse between assumed time of abduction and sighting by Mr Chapman at 10.45am. The 2 degrees of separation between certain families has always bothered me and seemed like such an unlikely coincidence. IMO

Some of those links mentioned in this article from 2016:
We’re for Sydney | Daily Telegraph

 

[Warshawski]

BBM
Chapman told the court the woman had a fair complexion, had her hear in a bun "on top of her head" and was wearing a white short-sleeved blouse.

Chapman testified the boy was wearing a Spider-Man suit.
He said: “It was red and the underarm part was blue."

https://7news.com.au/news/court-jus...-suit-spotted-in-car-driven-by-woman-c-423149

Can anyone pose possibilities ??

 

[Warshawski]

ok thanks SA..im thinking it must be someone who knew the rd..or someone who had test drive..but three Q that puzsle me 1)was it and accident 2) was it just random 3) did they know he would be there and if so i am sure they knew the in and outs of the visit well before hand

Still comfortable with my thoughts of a 'planned' activity

 

[Warshawski]

Yes, I agree. If she had a kidnapped child, and the 2nd car was involved, why would they both be driving erratically, 45 minutes after the initial abduction?

If this happened within minutes, it would make more sense that she would drive away fast. But if they had already been hiding him out somewhere, for almost an hour, I'd think they would try to lay low, under the radar, as they transported him out of the area.

Really ?

You don't think that if you had any hand in the 'successful' kidnapping of a child, that you'd be keen to get the hell outbox there, and fast ? "

 

[SouthAussie]

Really ?

You don't think that if you had any hand in the 'successful' kidnapping of a child, that you'd be keen to get the hell outbox there, and fast ? "

I can see Katie's point. Why would a person attract attention to themselves in this situation?
My answer to that is that they don't care who sees them.

Which is another reason why I think this could be a domestic situation. A woman and child fleeing from a man. She was hammering away. His car went around the corner almost on two tyres.

I see no point in a 2nd car to abduct little William. I don't actually see the point in two cars even if they wanted to abduct both children. Surely two persons in one car would have a better chance of containing one or two children, especially when in the back seat area.
The driver(s) can't do a heck of a lot to contain them other than drug them or tie them up ... which takes a little time.

The seen child had his hands up on the window and was standing - he was not restrained, he was not crying, he was not bent over having an asthma attack.

 

[SouthAussie]

Mr Chapman will resume his testimony shortly, when the court will be shown a video walkthrough he did with detectives in 2017. @10NewsFirst @10Daily

Dr Slueth did you see this video and was there anything extra or interesting in it? Or thoughts about it? Please...

There is a little of the Mr Chapman's walkthrough in this video, as well as an artist's impression of the cars hammering around the corner. Apologies if this has been posted here before (I haven't seen it).

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[Deleted member 102539]

A white short sleeve blouse is not the right clothing for pregnant BM ... not her style, IMO.
I can't imagine, a mother of x children being so reckless in letting her child stand on the backseat of a raging car ..... .....(looking out the window to another dangerously raging car).
If little W did know the male driver?

 

[madoodi]

There is a little of the Mr Chapman's walkthrough in this video, as well as an artist's impression of the cars hammering around the corner. Apologies if this has been posted here before (I haven't seen it).

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This gives me goosebumps to think that may have been little William
I personally don't think BM did it- I thought she and BD had been cleared.
However, I know mr Chapman said the woman looked young, in her 20s or 30s - I'm wondering if BGM could, from a distance at speed look much younger than she is. Of course JMOO

 

[deugirtni]

Especially given the significance of the 12th September and the shock of BS being taken away. MS said they started with the National Anthem.

Were they even at the same assembly?

He said they sat inside. She said they (probably) sat outside.
He said they started with the school song. She said they started with the anthem.
He said they did a spoof on the Three Little Pigs. She said they sang songs and stuff.
He said the grandson sat on the left of their position, then he went to the right of their position and showed where the grandson sat. She said the grandson could have sat on the right or the left that day.

MS from the walk-through interview link above:

"They had a concert. They, the national anthem they sing at the end (12:24); they sang um a song, a Hallelujia song..."

 

[Wexford]

So, Spedding usually/always took photos at the assemblies. "They'd be on his phone". Were they?


ETA: Oh, I just saw your comment. soso. I am not up to that part yet, and I had never heard ole Col say that Spedding had 'a photo'.


I wonder if police ever looked at that photo ... tested it to see the time it was taken? You would think they would have, or that Spedding would have offered up his phone and showed them the photo.[/QUOTE]
BBM
Perhaps that phone fell in the toilet also?

 

[thylacine7]

There is a little of the Mr Chapman's walkthrough in this video, as well as an artist's impression of the cars hammering around the corner. Apologies if this has been posted here before (I haven't seen it).

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First time I've seen that - have only been following in passing recently - but that's pretty infuriating. Why the hell would you not speak up sooner, with all the fuss in the news - kid's missing, and possibly abducted (sure that possibility was mentioned in the 'months' after what happened, being how long till he spoke up), and you don't even tell anyone?? Despite all the 'any information, no matter how small' requests?!

Makes me wonder if maybe the "100%" recollection has come only with time, and it's maybe not 100%; all of us here know too well from previous cases how memory can change over such a long period.

 

[mussopossum]

There is a little of the Mr Chapman's walkthrough in this video, as well as an artist's impression of the cars hammering around the corner. Apologies if this has been posted here before (I haven't seen it).

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I just wonder if both he and the woman driving made eye contact? It hasn't been mentioned I don't think.

But even if she was driving at speed she still would have seen him, couldn't miss him there.

I wonder if he has previously had the artist's impression of this lady. Surey this would have been done? Then again seems alot things should have been done prior and havent.

 

[mussopossum]

"He said William was unrestrained, had his hands to the glass and was peering out."
"Asked about the boy’s age, he said: “I would say three or four. He was standing. He wasn’t crying."

If a 3 year old who was in an unfamiliar place was snatched off the street and thrown in a car with that car speeding off driving erratically and possibly making him fall over or hurt himself in the car, If that 3-year-old did not know that driver or had not met that driver don't you think that he would be hysterical and would be screaming or look distressed or crying?

Instead, he was just peering out the window as they drove and not crying. I feel like this leads me to believe that he may have known or previously met his abductor.


"“It was a woman (driver). She was almost off the tar. In the back seat was a young boy with his hands up on the window … his face was sort of in between.”"

"What does "His face was sort of in-between mean?"
His face was in between his hands? as In he was looking out like we do when it is glairy and cup our hands to try and look a bit better?

"“(The driver) was a woman in her late 20s to late 30s, blonde hair, very fair complexion. She wore a white, short-sleeved blouse.”"

I wonder if he was shown photos of Williams BM at the time or anyone within Williams circle to rule them out, not insinuating here its been advised his family is clear so I just wonder if this may have been a part of clearing them back then? Surely he would have been shown a photo?


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