Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #45

[interested64]

Just want to brainstorm:
Any ideas who this mystery woman in the 4wd could be?

• Someone from FACS?
• BGM or someone connected to her?
• Caravan lady?
• Complete random abductor?
• Someone completely unrelated - a domestic dispute?

If connected to William's abduction:

• Who knew he was going to be at FGM?
• Where could they have taken him?

JMO

AUS is a big place and remote in places...would anyone know what the home schooling situation is in AU..do you have people going around meeting and checking on kids ?

 

[alj65]

Kim Loweke ... late 20s/early 30s in age?

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She looks to be in her (late) 40s, but in a fleeting sighting from a distance, it'd be easy to mistake age IMO.

 

[interested64]

She looks to be in her (late) 40s, but in a fleeting sighting from a distance, it'd be easy to mistake age IMO.

I think at the age Chapman says it would be someone the bf knows imo

 

[madoodi]

What are everyone's feelings on why police have kept the knowledge of the 4wd sighting that Chapman saw to themselves for so long and why they did not appeal for information?

Is it because they wanted to investigate without alerting anyone or because they had an idea who it was?
Or did they not believe mr Chapman?

MOO

 

[stormbird]

<RSBM>
I somewhat agree with the other poster who objected that BM isn't "fair" enough, whatever colour she put in her hair. I would expect someone described as "very fair" to be what I think of as a Dutch type, naturally fair in adulthood, fair eyebrows, blue eyes, pink and white skin, usually a large solid build. I wouldn't expect Mr Chapman to observe all that but he may well have recognized the type.

If @JLZ is correct about people who have a Dutch heritage being very fair, then I wonder if there are any links between William and members of the Dutch community in Australia, or even in Indonesia (William was in Bali - Indonesia - some time in 2014). I'm not suggesting family involvement; that would have been obvious and eliminated a long time before now. Someone beyond the family, but somehow linked via Dutch heritage or community? This is just speculation, obviously, and it's only an interesting idea if Mr Chapman's evidence of a "very fair" person turns out to be relevant to William's disappearance.

From the first episode of Lia Harris's podcast, "The Little Boy in the Spiderman Suit", Where's William Tyrrell? (link goes to the acast version) at 32:03, transcribed by me:

Lia: Yeah, so, as I mentioned earlier, [FFC's] elderly father had passed away earlier that year, and she wanted the kids to draw some pictures for their Opa, which is what they called him, because he was Dutch."

 

[JLZ]

What are everyone's feelings on why police have kept the knowledge of the 4wd sighting that Chapman saw to themselves for so long and why they did not appeal for information?

Is it because they wanted to investigate without alerting anyone or because they had an idea who it was?
Or did they not believe mr Chapman?

MOO

One reason could be that they wanted to pressure PS. The cars may be unrelated, but they seem to weaken the case against PS and would tend to strengthen him psychologically. Perhaps what the police argument was about.

 

[Loxoli]

I think that if it was a planned abduction, it has been pulled off really well and unless they got extremely lucky, it had to have been well planned to be successful. This makes me think that no one super close to William would be the abductors. If it was someone from the biological family, then it was probably a friend or a relation that the police wouldn’t suspect and wouldn’t feel the need to visit on that first day. They pulled it off, so they probably wouldn’t have used the BM, BD or BGM IMO.

Also, just had a thought that the man could have been the one who lured William because he was familiar to William or his sister (ETA: or even just more capable at grabbing 1-2 kids), but the plan was to separate and the woman in the first car was to be the one to drive him away because she wouldn’t be looked at by the police. That would explain the two cars. Just a thought.

 

[JLZ]

If @JLZ is correct about people who have a Dutch heritage being very fair, then I wonder if there are any links between William and members of the Dutch community in Australia, or even in Indonesia (William was in Bali - Indonesia - some time in 2014). I'm not suggesting family involvement; that would have been obvious and eliminated a long time before now. Someone beyond the family, but somehow linked via Dutch heritage or community? This is just speculation, obviously, and it's only an interesting idea if Mr Chapman's evidence of a "very fair" person turns out to be relevant to William's disappearance.

From the first episode of Lia Harris's podcast, "The Little Boy in the Spiderman Suit", Where's William Tyrrell? (link goes to the acast version) at 32:03, transcribed by me:

Lia: Yeah, so, as I mentioned earlier, [FFC's] elderly father had passed away earlier that year, and she wanted the kids to draw some pictures for their Opa, which is what they called him, because he was Dutch."

Woah, I've no special skills in racial profiling; I was just trying to indicate a stereotype, one that's quite different from BM, though I think she is quite fair-skinned too. She looks warmer-toned (and thinner-jawed) only in selfies, seems to me.

 

[interested64]

If @JLZ is correct about people who have a Dutch heritage being very fair, then I wonder if there are any links between William and members of the Dutch community in Australia, or even in Indonesia (William was in Bali - Indonesia - some time in 2014). I'm not suggesting family involvement; that would have been obvious and eliminated a long time before now. Someone beyond the family, but somehow linked via Dutch heritage or community? This is just speculation, obviously, and it's only an interesting idea if Mr Chapman's evidence of a "very fair" person turns out to be relevant to William's disappearance.

From the first episode of Lia Harris's podcast, "The Little Boy in the Spiderman Suit", Where's William Tyrrell? (link goes to the acast version) at 32:03, transcribed by me:

Lia: Yeah, so, as I mentioned earlier, [FFC's] elderly father had passed away earlier that year, and she wanted the kids to draw some pictures for their Opa, which is what they called him, because he was Dutch."

Im sure a trip to Bali a few times would draw attention,i just cant see the family doing it and to never see him again as it could be very risky

 

[mussopossum]

It was the media and the statement that BS had a maze like dwelling underneath his house with a trap door that rang alarm bells for me.

Wasn't this a rental property he was at though?

 

[mussopossum]

So BS is going to sue the police, presumably they arent going to say “ ok heres your million dollars” will the police be able to defend their actions, ask him more questions. We may learn lots more.

I just find it ironic he is asking the same amount as Williams reward money...
Not 1.5 million, not 5 million, not 200 thousand but 1 million smackaroos.

 

[mussopossum]

What are everyone's feelings on why police have kept the knowledge of the 4wd sighting that Chapman saw to themselves for so long and why they did not appeal for information?

Is it because they wanted to investigate without alerting anyone or because they had an idea who it was?
Or did they not believe mr Chapman?

MOO

All tactical I think to bring it out at the inquest.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if MS was represented.

I have been looking through MSM articles to see if she was represented. I hope so. Otherwise it could possibly be seen as inappropriate for Peter O'Brien to be consulting with her witness husband and herself, another witness. imo

That is, if Peter O'Brien and/or his staff consulted with Spedding in her presence.

Both Margaret & Bill were represented by Peter O'Brien, the coroner obviously had no problem with that.

Hmmm .... maybe she should have. imo

I wonder if anyone else had a problem with it? FP barrister, for example.
Perhaps someone else asked for the withdrawal.

I see no reason for O'Brien to withdraw from the inquest, otherwise.
If Spedding is no longer needed at the inquest, O'Brien just doesn't show up any more.
And now that I see Spedding is suing the police, it seems that his relationship with O'Brien likely is not otherwise terminated.

In withdrawing from the inquest, O'Brien has opened the door to Spedding getting/needing other representation if he is called back to the inquest for any reason, in the future.

Having said that, with Spedding now suing the police, I think it is very likely that O'Brien was asked to withdraw from the inquest - or withdrew himself before he was asked - as it may be a huge conflict of interest if he is sitting in the inquest courtroom and potentially asking questions of the witnesses, questions that could relate to Spedding's lawsuit (if he hasn't done that already).

To me, for MS to have her own legal representation would have been akin to PS's brother-in-law having legal representation, or Katrina Cherry, or Beverley Sharpe. It was BS, PS, TJ, Donohoe, (et al) whose actions and whereabouts were being questioned in regard to W's disappearance, while the others merely provided testimony to back up (or not) the various POIs' statements.

With O'Brien stating his withdrawal from the inquest, to me, that means that when the inquest resumes in March 2020, he will no longer be required to be present along with his client.. his 'day in court' has come and gone; BS no longer needs to pay him to be on hand to question other parties, etc. (Unless of course, the coroner ends up wanting BS back on the stand for requestioning.)

imo.

 

[sosocurious]

I just find it ironic he is asking the same amount as Williams reward money...
Not 1.5 million, not 5 million, not 200 thousand but 1 million smackaroos.

That is his minimum.

A washing machine repairman whose name became linked to William Tyrrell’s disappearance will seek a minimum $1 million in compensation from NSW police.

NoCookies | The Australian
William Tyrrell disappearance: Spedding wants $1m from police

I wonder who told CO?

 

[deugirtni]

It was the media and the statement that BS had a maze like dwelling underneath his house with a trap door that rang alarm bells for me.

When one is a renter of a home, he does not get much say or choice in how the home had been built by the first owner/builder. imo.

 

[deugirtni]

Kim Loweke ... late 20s/early 30s in age?

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In one of the articles it was written 'late 20s to late 30s' (but KL still would not qualify either way!)

 

[Bohemian]

Another episode of the Where’s William Tyrrell? podcast has dropped:

A Fleeting Moment

Another week at the inquest and a witness describes the moment he is certain that he saw William being driven away from Benaroon Drive in a car. Also, Bill Spedding and his wife Margaret detail their movements on the morning William went missing.

 

[deugirtni]

I can't imagine, with *all* of the publicity and public involvement surrounding this case, with Ron Chapman having told a lot of his personal contacts (siblings, close friends, etc), that not ONE of them called police themselves, to say, hey, you need to go and speak to Ronald Chapman because he saw the boy that morning being driven away. Almost makes one wonder *why*.. I mean, they could have done this in confidence, with Mr. Chapman never knowing who it was exactly who called it in. Did these people close to him believe him to be a 'story-teller' and so did not pay much heed to his story? What else could be the reason for why NONE of them called in with this information? (That is assuming that none of them did.. it is possible that one or more did, but that it had not been followed up on, and got lost amongst the hundreds of other calls about the case?)

 

[SouthAussie]

In one of the articles it was written 'late 20s to late 30s' (but KL still would not qualify either way!)

I was actually being sarcastic when I posted that pic for madoodi. I didn't in a million years think anyone would take my post seriously. Next time I will add some kind of humour to my post, so people can catch my unobvious sarcasm.

 

[SouthAussie]

She could be the man.