Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #49

[Karinna]

Well, it seems as though that avenue has been exhausted.
There seems to be a lot of background noise, which happens with investigations spanning long periods of time.
Of interest to me in the pedophile ring operating with the state/states, that Jubes mentioned.

Sorry to go over old ground. Why were the charges of historical sexual assault dropped against BS? If someone doesn't mind.

This is one article from MSM
(quote)
Police investigated the allegations and charged him with historical child sex offences, but all of them were dropped or dismissed because there was no evidence.
Washing machine repairman demanding $1 million over Tyrrell investigation

 

[Karinna]

The witness that saw Spedding at the school assembly confirmed it in the 4 Corners interview that was posted up the other day.

 

[interested64]

Thanks. But I am not going to debate this. I have read the entire description of what happened to those little girls before the articles timed out or were pulled down due to sub judice.

I am not going to put Peter O'Brien's words above the words of the little children.

You are entitled to your criminal lawyer opinion. I am entitled to my concerned layperson/mother/member of the public opinion.

I agree,not believing a child is exactly what allows pedos to get away with it time after time after time,and sorry imo also using a divorce as reasoning for being blamed is so old..i am glad now that people are more onto it and awareness is out there and people are allowed and will talk about it these days rather than cover it up,loose evidence etc...the law HAS to change for pedos,a few years is just crap and imo an insult

 

[Aron.Wor]

And opinions on this:

Australian Pedophile Ring

 

[Karinna]

Some thoughts from a retired Queensland detective who was instrumental in solving Daniel Morcombe's case.
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Abductor of William likely a loner: retired detective
No trace of William has ever been found and the case remains unsolved.

Retired Queensland detective Dennis Martyn — who was instrumental in solving the case of abducted and murdered Queensland boy Daniel Morcombe — said the fact that the $1 million reward has never been claimed offers a clue about what type of person might have taken William.
"What it tells me is that the person is alone, the person generally would not be socially active," he said.

"It would tell me that the person doesn't have a great variety of friends that they confide in. They don't have a lot of people around to their house. Because otherwise people will see things, otherwise people will hear things."

Mr Martyn said if that is the case, it is extremely unlikely that the case will ever be solved.

"If the individual has acted alone, has not been seen, there is no forensic evidence to place that person there, or no forensic evidence left to link that person to William, in any way," he said.
"If that person either dies, or does not say a word and he is the sole keeper of the information, I could not see how you could solve it."

Watch a detective accuse repairman Bill Spedding of 'grabbing' William Tyrrell

 

[interested64]

<modsnip: quoted post was removed> ... Even from an outsiders perspective, it crystal clear why the police investigated him. He was at the property prior to the disappearance. He received a phone call from the FM that morning. He had no one else besides MS who could verify his alibi
Which lets be honest - she couldn’t remember most of it!! Then this one person out of the whole assembly thinks he nodded at him, yet can’t be sure what day? Then we have the van sighting, and the historical charges. I could go on?
So it’s pretty clear why he was investigated!! I think BS and MS did themselves no favours. Having a defensive mentality. Who wouldn’t want to try their best to help clear up any misconceptions in a missing child’s case ? Both seemed to have a chip on their shoulder form the get go!! Yeah it was a inconvenience to their life to get caught up in the investigation, but their attitudes didn’t help the situation. I believe.

I so agree

 

[interested64]

Who took William? Geez, it may be someone not even on the radar - someone who came in, saw the opportunity, & left with him... Someone no-one suspects, except someone close to them [possibly)? So has this derelict spoken to nobody? That could be the case? Who would be proud to admit to this... IDK

imo maybe all dna should be taken at birth and stored like your tax number and needed upon retaining a tax number at say 18 yrs,like a car warrant,you apply for a tax number and re do a dna test and it should match..or something like that

 

[interested64]

Agreed that nobody would've remembered who was at a school assembly months after the fact... except that at the Inquest, I got the impression that the point was trying to be made that at this particular assembly when the grandchild received the award, it was the same assembly at which the Hallelujah song was sung, and that is what made it stand out in the memories of a couple of people - one who knew BS and congratulated his grandchild and then shared a nod/glance, and one who arrived late and left early, but who could verify I think (from memory) that the grandchild and her own kids were receiving an award at the same assembly in which the Hallelujah song was played. It seemed to be enough testimony given that nobody seemed to have any questions. imo.

and the fact ms couldnt remember a dam thing

 

[Aron.Wor]

And opinions on this:

Australian Pedophile Ring

What interests me is that this is not the 1st major investigation that this ring is mentioned in.
It was the Ivan Milat case that I first heard this story of high ranking police officials operating a pedophile ring within the eastern Australian states.
Amongst the unpopular theories of the backpacker murders is Alster Shipseys' theory, that the police framed him due to the impact on the tourism industry. But (and I might be a little foggy) I think it was Alister Shipsey's mother that claims she and her children were taken to Belangelow state forest, and police officials were involved. I believe she suggested a pedophile ring. I believe she may have mentioned satanic, or cult-like scenarios. If it wasn't her, it was someone connected to IM
I'm struggling to find the footage of the person's interviews.

If we entertain the idea (Didn't this actually happen in the UK?) that this ring is operating, and we entertain the idea that BS did indeed commit a sexual historical crime. You could suggest that the behaiours of PS, FA, BS are very similar, and these people are all located so close to each other.

What's the story with Ronald Chapman, and the supposed sighting of WT and the woman with the blond hair in a bun?
Apparently this guy is a well-respected person. Was this a diversion?

 

[interested64]

PS is Paul Savage - I think you mean BS which is Spedding.

Apparently, Spedding sat inside with Margaret, while Margaret sat outside with Spedding. Then, according to Margaret, they stood quite spaced apart afterwards while the children were coming out (so if a photo was taken at that time - perhaps by the family friend, and maybe with the child who received an award - Margaret and Spedding likely wouldn't be in the photo together. imo)

Margaret apparently drove herself to the assembly, although she says she had difficulty walking due to a bad hip. I am not sure where their friend comes into it, although another friend (presumably Col) said they attended the assembly with a family friend - which was not mentioned in the confusing walkthroughs.

The things we heard at the inquest were quite different, at times, to what we had heard from Col early on.


A friend told Daily Mail Australia that Mr Spedding went to his Laurieton office on Bold St on the morning of September 12.
He had received a part needed to fix William's grandmother's washing machine, after attending the Kendall home three days earlier for a quote, and attempted to ring her to make an appointment.

He told Daily Mail Australia Mr Spedding said he had also attended the presentation with a family friend who was taking photos.
Mr Spedding has asked her to review her pictures to see if he is in any of them, the friend said. On September 12, following the presentation, Mr Spedding went to a job in nearby Dunbogan before ringing William's grandmother again.
William Spedding claims he had nothing to do with William Tyrell disappearance | Daily Mail Online

yes things have changed havnt they,what time was the job in Dunbogan again ?

 

[interested64]

And it sure wasn't the police who were feeding the media. It was Col ... and other Spedding family members.

lucky some people out there have collected all these things before being pulled..brilliant

 

[SouthAussie]

What's the story with Ronald Chapman, and the supposed sighting of WT and the woman with the blond hair in a bun?
Apparently this guy is a well-respected person. Was this a diversion?

I can't work this one out ... but when Jubes was asked about Ronald Chapman and shouldn't the police have investigated his sighting sooner, Jubes said "No" and didn't say anything more, just stared the interviewer in the face.

Was Jubes being respectful in not pointing out that Ronald Chapman never bothered going to the police with that info? Or is there something else behind that "No"?

 

[Aron.Wor]

I can't work this one out ... but when Jubes was asked about Ronald Chapman and shouldn't the police have investigated his sighting sooner, Jubes said "No" and didn't say anything more, just stared the interviewer in the face.

Was Jubes being respectful in not pointing out that Ronald Chapman never bothered going to the police with that info? Or is there something else behind that "No"?

I got the impression there was something else.
RC says he saw the car with WT. He saw the news report later and so he waited for the cops to come to interview him. Police claimed they would interview everyone within a 1 km radius. He also says "In hindsight, I should have gone sooner … you have second thoughts, I suppose I anguished a bit going forward."

'I definitely saw William': Witness says he saw boy in Spider-Man suit driven away

 

[Georgy]

And it sure wasn't the police who were feeding the media. It was Col ... and other Spedding family members.

What are you saying?? Are you saying they were feeding media lies? Or were the media feeding the public lies?

 

[SouthAussie]

What are you saying?? Are you saying they were feeding media lies? Or were the media feeding the public lies?

I don't recall saying anything about lies.
I do recall saying that Col was feeding the media with information about Spedding. It wasn't the police who were feeding the media with information about Spedding.

Col provided a wealth of information that no-one had heard before.

 

[SouthAussie]

I got the impression there was something else.
RC says he saw the car with WT. He saw the news report later and so he waited for the cops to come to interview him. Police claimed they would interview everyone within a 1 km radius. He also says "In hindsight, I should have gone sooner … you have second thoughts, I suppose I anguished a bit going forward."

'I definitely saw William': Witness says he saw boy in Spider-Man suit driven away

Yes, I got the 'something else' vibe too.

It may have been as simple as Jubes had asked Sean Nicholls not to ask anything about any witnesses in the investigation, and Sean asked that question.
Or it could be Jubes conveying something else with what he didn't say.

 

[Georgy]

I don't recall saying anything about lies.
I do recall saying that Col was feeding the media with information about Spedding. It wasn't the police who were feeding the media with information about Spedding.

Col provided a wealth of information that no-one had heard before.

Oh it seemed like you were saying what was said was untrue..noone was feeding the media, they have their ways to get little tidbits and then add the twist IMO

 

[deugirtni]

So, not possible it was his van but not him driving it? I wonder if that was ever asked. Dean Pollard was 100% sure originally.

IIRC, Pollard was sure it was Spedding's van, but he couldn't have known for sure who it was inside, since he said the person had his head down to hide himself from being seen. It seems it was ruled out, based on that it couldn't have been Spedding's van. In any case, that turned out to be a wasted effort since it seems police did a thorough search of the area based on Pollard's report, and found zero.

 

[deugirtni]

And it sure wasn't the police who were feeding the media. It was Col ... and other Spedding family members.

It seems the media was already camped out at Spedding's house from early morning, as if expecting there to be some kind of newsworthy event, which the Speddings knew nothing about (which turned out to be true, as he was arrested and taken away that day in a highly publicized fashion) - only the police knew they were coming to arrest Spedding.. so I doubt if it was Col or any Spedding family members who were feeding the media. That seems to leave only the police who could've tipped off media? imo.

 

[deugirtni]

My question is, there has only been one comment made that one person said they lost photos from dropping phone in the toilet however I would thought most parents would be taking photos that day of their kids. Or am I wrong? I only remember one person/comment.

How did Marge remember this person was taking photos? was it because she remembers them taking photos of her the ids and Bill?

There was such a hunt for Spedding by police I have no doubt they would done everything within their power to find out who was at that assembly including speaking with teachers etc and looking for any CCTV in the streets, school and seeing who may have had photos.

Unfortunately for Bill..... No photos.... anywhere

We didn't hear a call-out from police to find anyone having taken photos at the school assembly that day (such as what occurred when the Coroner requested photos that people/media may have from the searching done on the day W disappeared). It also seemed that police reportedly did not do any checking until months later (January?), and by then of course, nobody would've remembered which other parents were in attendance, nor who the staff at Buzz Cafe may have served. Spedding's lawyer said something to the effect of having to seek out and fetch the evidence himself (specifically I believe he was referring to the cash register receipt showing what was ordered at that time on that day which matched the credit card statement, and also perhaps the photos/video of Spedding attending the function at the same time when his neighbour had said he saw his van with the driver hiding himself)? So perhaps police were not all that interested in finding evidence which may have cleared him? I guess that will all be hashed out when the case between Spedding vs. NSWPD takes place next year - isn't Spedding suing for malicious prosecution or something similar? Perhaps that is all part of it? jmo.

Represented by defence lawyer Peter O'Brien, Bill Spedding, 65, is filing a suit in the NSW Supreme Court for misfeasance in public office, abuse of process and malicious prosecution.

Washing machine repairman demanding $1 million over Tyrrell investigation
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Defence lawyer Peter O’Brien was this month forced to gather the evidence that clearly ruled Mr Spedding out, despite it being available to police for years.

“I’m not suggesting for a moment police shouldn’t have looked at my client,” he said. “But it would, or should, have been fairly evident fairly quickly there wasn’t anything in it.”

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